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If the four to five pound trigger in my 1911 ever became an issue in court, he would be an expert witness testifying for me (as would Massad Ayoob). If your 2.5 to 3.5 1911 trigger ever became an issue for you in court, he, or someone like him, will be testifying for the DA as an expert. Quote:
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Well Frank, you are entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong. I've put many thousands of rounds down range and a 5.5 pound Glock trigger sucks. My 1911s are range guns and I like 'em that way. I set my triggers to what ever suits me, not someone else. They ain't shootin 'em either, I am.
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As I've said, do what you want. It won't be my problem.
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He did it using a Glock pistol with all factory parts. Measured trigger pull on the gun was 6lbs 8oz. If the trigger pull is smooth without appreciable overtravel, it doesn't need to be light to attain good accuracy. People obsess over trigger weight, but a relatively heavy trigger pull is not a hindrance to good accuracy if the trigger is otherwise a good trigger. I agree that past a point, a trigger can be so heavy that it's really difficult to attain good accuracy, however that limit is much higher than many people seem to think. It is certainly possible to attain excellent accuracy with trigger pull weights well over 5lbs.
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There are reasons why police officers, ranked competitors, and informed citizens do not carry Glock pistols with four pound pulls. Quote:
Should you ever shoot anyone, your trigger pull will be tested and the results will be entered into evidence. A trigger pull with of 2.5 to 3.5 pounds will almost certainly be used against you. Even if you claim that you fired intentionally and with justification, that trigger pull weight can be used to persuade the triers of fact otherwise. Expert testimony will favor the other side. And in a civil case, the burden of proof for the plaintiff would simply be a preponderance of the evidence. At that point, you will most likely wish that you had not elected to carry a gun with a light trigger. I sure would never do so. Too much downside, and so little upside. Quote:
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All very interesting but for those of us who choose to think for ourselves, it's just a theory. I have the utmost respect for Mas but I don't swallow everything anybody says without engaging my brain. My brain tells me that Mas tells us to be afraid of things that have not proved to be a threat. Not unlike the Boogeyman under the bed.
If you keep your finger off the trigger until you have decided to fire, it is a non-issue. If the shoot is justified, it is a non-issue. In the context of a physical fight for your life in which a trigger may inadvertently get pressed, two or three pounds is insignificant. If an individual spends 100hrs a year training with a 2lb trigger and 0hrs with a 6lb Glock trigger, then he is safest with a 2lb trigger. If an individual spends 100hrs a year training with an 6lb Glock trigger and 0hrs with a 2lb trigger, then he is safest with a 6lb Glock trigger. Quote:
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Believe as you wish, but ask yourself why you believe it. Do you have the training, experience and first hand knowledge of how things work in the legal system? Massad Ayoob and some others with whom you're disagreeing do have such training, knowledge and experience. In any case, it won't be my problem. Quote:
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For further discussion of possible legal issues associated with using for self defense a gun with a very light trigger see here, here, here, here, and here.
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Like I said, it's an interesting theory but there is little to no evidence to support it. Some people believe it, some very firmly but that doesn't make it more than what it is.....just a theory.
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Prove it. Show me. Until there are FACTS to support it, it is no more than a theory. No matter how many certificates the person concocting the theory has. My thoughts mirror posts #2 and #4 in this thread. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393404 |
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But all opinions are not equal. An opinion backed up by relevant education, knowledge and experience is one thing. An opinion snatched out of thin air is another. The opinion of my doctor about my health is much more worthy of consideration than that of my mechanic. So by all means, rely on your opinion. I will, however, dismiss it. The matter is fully explored in the threads I've linked to. There's no reason to rehash that all here. So I'll close this thread. If someone thinks he has something new to add, please send me a PM; and I can consider re-opening the thread.
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