Ok to shoot with choke removed?

baddarryl · January 26, 2015, 04:28 PM

Hi all. Will doing that simple provide a cylinder choke or can it damage the threads or anything else?

Bake · January 26, 2015, 04:40 PM

Its bad MOJO!

and allows the threads to get extra dirty, and if you bump the muzzle hard, it could make it harder, putting the choke back in....

Dreaming100Straight · January 26, 2015, 05:58 PM

NO, unless you want to ruin a barrel.

Blindstitch · January 26, 2015, 06:04 PM

Ouch don't do it. If you want cylinder bore i'm sure there's a choke for that.

baddarryl · January 26, 2015, 07:34 PM

Thanks everyone!

BigJimP · January 26, 2015, 07:55 PM

There is always someone at a gun club....saying he's so good ...all he shoots in his gun is "threads"...( no choke ) ...because it cramps his style to use a choke ...

Some of those guys have talent.../ but mostly they are just the guys - that no one wants to shoot with - or listen too.../ and every club I've ever visited has one guy like that - that you can hear from 100 yds off...

Don't be one of those guys...

Buy a full set of choke tubes.... Cylinder, Skeet, Imp Cylinder, Mod, Improved Mod and Full...and shoot the chokes that put a 30" pattern on the target at the expected kill range..( and I know there are other chokes in between the ones I mentioned - like Light Mod, etc )...but those 6 chokes will do anything I need done with a shotgun.
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The shot will probably stay in the wad as it travels down the barrel...so in theory "shooting threads" will only plug up the threads with plastic fouling..so it may not ruin the barrel...but I don't care if you paid $ 150 or $ 5,000 - or more - for your shotgun /it was still your hard earned money ...why the heck would anyone just abuse their equipment...

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Same loudmouth might shoot Full chokes for Skeet too....because he's so good, he wants to see them powdered all the time...is what will be coming out of his mouth .../ when usually he just chips his way to mediocrity .../ where a good Skeet shooter might powder a lot of targets ...shooting a Skeet choke if he centers the targets...!

I'd rather be shooting the right choke ..for the job at hand.../ and not abusing my equipment...

Virginian · January 26, 2015, 08:14 PM

You can do it and it will not hurt the gun. It is not advisable because it will gunk up the threads and makes it real easy to ding the muzzle.

zippy13 · January 26, 2015, 09:46 PM

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Some of those guys have talent.../ but mostly they are just the guys - that no one wants to shoot with - or listen too.../ and every club I've ever visited has one guy like that - that you can hear from 100 yds off...

Amen, Brother Jim

FITASC · January 27, 2015, 07:08 PM

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You can do it and it will not hurt the gun. It is not advisable because it will gunk up the threads and makes it real easy to ding the muzzle.

Very true.

As to buying a full set of chokes, there are a variety of theories. It really comes down to what you are using the gun for. If you are a skeet shooter only, then that is all you need. I shoot sporting clays and FITASC and I carry two chokes for my gas gun with another in the muzzle. The gun came with many, but I use a LM for 90% of the targets. I also carry a SK for close and an IM for far. "One for close, one for most, and one for far" - attributed to NSCA Hall of Famer Jon Kruger.

RMcL · January 28, 2015, 07:37 AM

Trulock Chokes has "cylinder" choke tubes for virtually all shotguns.

Cylinder = No choke constriction.

http://www.trulockchokes.com/get-cho...%20Chokes#fam1

publius · January 31, 2015, 12:19 AM

You can do it and it may or may not ruin the threads. Don't chance it, just buy a cylinder choke.

RobinTN · January 31, 2015, 10:28 AM

baddarryl wrote:..."Will doing that simple provide a cylinder choke"

No. The area of the barrel that has the female threads in it to mate with the appropriate screw in choke is larger in diameter than the bore of the barrel and thus allowing a cylinder choke (.000 constriction) to be used.

Virginian · January 31, 2015, 12:23 PM

Shooting the threads is the same as a cylinder choke, unless you have an overbored barrel. Some of those have the choke start in the barrel and then continue with a choke tube. Shooting the threads will not hurt the threads, but unless you clean them really good before re-installing a choke tube you might. And they can be a bear to clean. Cylinder or skeet chokes can be found for under $15 usually.

RobinTN · January 31, 2015, 12:56 PM

Please explain how you can screw in a cylinder choke (.000 constriction) which is zero constriction or the same as the gauge bore and say the threads on the outside of the choke are the same bore gauge. I know on my 20ga SG you can see the enlarged portion of the barrel where the chokes reside. So, is it to assume if you can buy a cylinder choke for your gun, your gun is over bored?

Dreaming100Straight · January 31, 2015, 02:02 PM

The threads are NOT, as you put it, the same bore gauge. Thinking about a typical modern flush choke as opposed to those of yesterday that bulged near the muzzle. The inner diameter of the choke measures the same as the inner diameter of the cylinder bore of the barrel. Not to get into back bored barrels.

Virginian · January 31, 2015, 04:22 PM

The threads are larger than gauge. The leading edge of choke tubes are also so the charge doesn't snag it. The plastic shot cup may touch the threads (and gunk them up) but the shot will not. An acquaintance who shoots the threads loaded up some non shot cup loads to show us that even then the shot didn't touch the threads. Didn't change anyone's opinions, and in truth the threads looked better than they did with plastic shotcups.

TimSr · January 31, 2015, 07:29 PM

My Winchester 1200 says in the owners manual to never fire without choke installed, but what do they know?

I have never seen a screw in "cylinder" choke for any shotgun. Skeet is most open. If you want cylinder, get an 18" "defender" type barrel.

FITASC · January 31, 2015, 08:19 PM

Incorrect, a Cylinder choke exists from every choke maker. It renders the exit bore at 0.000". Skeet is 0.005"

Dreaming100Straight · February 1, 2015, 01:24 AM

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The plastic shot cup may touch the threads (and gunk them up) but the shot will not.

That is if there is nothing defective about the shot cup or the cup wasn't too overloaded with shot. I wouldn't risk it.

I didn't realize that the id of the choke is greater than the bore at their intersection, but it makes sense the way Virginian explained.

RobinTN · February 1, 2015, 08:02 AM

This might clear it up:

Here's Remington's explanation, with an illustration, also.

FITASC · February 1, 2015, 06:17 PM

http://www.hallowellco.com/choke_chart.htm

January 26, 2015, 04:28 PM	#1
baddarryl Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2011 Location: Cape Fear! Posts: 1,683	Ok to shoot with choke removed? Hi all. Will doing that simple provide a cylinder choke or can it damage the threads or anything else?

January 26, 2015, 04:40 PM	#2
Bake Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2012 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Calif. Posts: 482	Its bad MOJO! and allows the threads to get extra dirty, and if you bump the muzzle hard, it could make it harder, putting the choke back in.... __________________ 1. The pattern board is your friend, use the Dam thing!!! 2. The maximum range of a firearm and/or cartridge, is usually measured in miles, and means nothing. 2a. The effective range of a firearm and/or cartridge, is usually (the ability of the shooter) measured in yards, and means everything.

January 26, 2015, 08:14 PM	#7
Virginian Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Williamsburg, Va. Posts: 1,528	You can do it and it will not hurt the gun. It is not advisable because it will gunk up the threads and makes it real easy to ding the muzzle. __________________ What could have happened... did.

January 28, 2015, 07:37 AM	#10
RMcL Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 273	Buy a CYLINDER choke tube Trulock Chokes has "cylinder" choke tubes for virtually all shotguns. Cylinder = No choke constriction. http://www.trulockchokes.com/get-cho...%20Chokes#fam1

January 31, 2015, 12:19 AM	#11
publius Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Location: Mississippi/Texas Posts: 2,505	You can do it and it may or may not ruin the threads. Don't chance it, just buy a cylinder choke. __________________ "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress, but I repeat myself." Mark Twain

January 26, 2015, 05:58 PM	#3
Dreaming100Straight Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2013 Posts: 1,235	NO, unless you want to ruin a barrel.

January 26, 2015, 06:04 PM	#4
Blindstitch Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2013 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 2,693	Ouch don't do it. If you want cylinder bore i'm sure there's a choke for that.

January 26, 2015, 07:34 PM	#5
baddarryl Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2011 Location: Cape Fear! Posts: 1,683	Thanks everyone!

January 26, 2015, 07:55 PM	#6
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	There is always someone at a gun club....saying he's so good ...all he shoots in his gun is "threads"...( no choke ) ...because it cramps his style to use a choke ... Some of those guys have talent.../ but mostly they are just the guys - that no one wants to shoot with - or listen too.../ and every club I've ever visited has one guy like that - that you can hear from 100 yds off... Don't be one of those guys... Buy a full set of choke tubes.... Cylinder, Skeet, Imp Cylinder, Mod, Improved Mod and Full...and shoot the chokes that put a 30" pattern on the target at the expected kill range..( and I know there are other chokes in between the ones I mentioned - like Light Mod, etc )...but those 6 chokes will do anything I need done with a shotgun. --------------- The shot will probably stay in the wad as it travels down the barrel...so in theory "shooting threads" will only plug up the threads with plastic fouling..so it may not ruin the barrel...but I don't care if you paid $ 150 or $ 5,000 - or more - for your shotgun /it was still your hard earned money ...why the heck would anyone just abuse their equipment... -------------- Same loudmouth might shoot Full chokes for Skeet too....because he's so good, he wants to see them powdered all the time...is what will be coming out of his mouth .../ when usually he just chips his way to mediocrity .../ where a good Skeet shooter might powder a lot of targets ...shooting a Skeet choke if he centers the targets...! I'd rather be shooting the right choke ..for the job at hand.../ and not abusing my equipment...

January 31, 2015, 10:28 AM	#12
RobinTN Member Join Date: January 30, 2015 Location: East, TN Posts: 17	baddarryl wrote:..."Will doing that simple provide a cylinder choke" No. The area of the barrel that has the female threads in it to mate with the appropriate screw in choke is larger in diameter than the bore of the barrel and thus allowing a cylinder choke (.000 constriction) to be used. __________________ Happiness is wanting what you get.

January 31, 2015, 12:23 PM	#13
Virginian Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Williamsburg, Va. Posts: 1,528	Shooting the threads is the same as a cylinder choke, unless you have an overbored barrel. Some of those have the choke start in the barrel and then continue with a choke tube. Shooting the threads will not hurt the threads, but unless you clean them really good before re-installing a choke tube you might. And they can be a bear to clean. Cylinder or skeet chokes can be found for under $15 usually. __________________ What could have happened... did.

January 31, 2015, 12:56 PM	#14
RobinTN Member Join Date: January 30, 2015 Location: East, TN Posts: 17	Please explain how you can screw in a cylinder choke (.000 constriction) which is zero constriction or the same as the gauge bore and say the threads on the outside of the choke are the same bore gauge. I know on my 20ga SG you can see the enlarged portion of the barrel where the chokes reside. So, is it to assume if you can buy a cylinder choke for your gun, your gun is over bored? __________________ Happiness is wanting what you get. Last edited by RobinTN; January 31, 2015 at 02:28 PM.

January 31, 2015, 02:02 PM	#15
Dreaming100Straight Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2013 Posts: 1,235	The threads are NOT, as you put it, the same bore gauge. Thinking about a typical modern flush choke as opposed to those of yesterday that bulged near the muzzle. The inner diameter of the choke measures the same as the inner diameter of the cylinder bore of the barrel. Not to get into back bored barrels. Last edited by Dreaming100Straight; January 31, 2015 at 02:11 PM.

January 31, 2015, 04:22 PM	#16
Virginian Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Williamsburg, Va. Posts: 1,528	The threads are larger than gauge. The leading edge of choke tubes are also so the charge doesn't snag it. The plastic shot cup may touch the threads (and gunk them up) but the shot will not. An acquaintance who shoots the threads loaded up some non shot cup loads to show us that even then the shot didn't touch the threads. Didn't change anyone's opinions, and in truth the threads looked better than they did with plastic shotcups. __________________ What could have happened... did.

January 31, 2015, 07:29 PM	#17
TimSr Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2013 Location: Rittman, Ohio Posts: 2,074	My Winchester 1200 says in the owners manual to never fire without choke installed, but what do they know? I have never seen a screw in "cylinder" choke for any shotgun. Skeet is most open. If you want cylinder, get an 18" "defender" type barrel.

January 31, 2015, 08:19 PM	#18
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Incorrect, a Cylinder choke exists from every choke maker. It renders the exit bore at 0.000". Skeet is 0.005"

February 1, 2015, 08:02 AM	#20
RobinTN Member Join Date: January 30, 2015 Location: East, TN Posts: 17	This might clear it up: Here's Remington's explanation, with an illustration, also. __________________ Happiness is wanting what you get. Last edited by RobinTN; February 1, 2015 at 09:14 AM.

February 1, 2015, 06:17 PM	#21
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	http://www.hallowellco.com/choke_chart.htm