Fighting Handguns/pistol whipping

banditgriot · February 16, 2012, 12:10 AM

Do any of you feel that as a last result the pistol can be used as a Sap or brass knuckles? If so, how do you rate polymer framed guns in this use? Steel framed guns like the 1911, CZ75 and even the HK P7 would make a decent lump, where a polymer pistol would have to be turned in the right direction to be useful. Which fighting handgun do you rate as the best for "pistol whipping" in a last resort scenario?

Lurky BoDean · February 16, 2012, 12:14 AM

Ruger Super Blackhawk with 10.5" barrel.

HighValleyRanch · February 16, 2012, 12:16 AM

Have the Western Channel on in my shop when I am working.

In the early series, Matt Dillon used his Colt long barrel as a pistol whip almost as often as he drew the gun to shoot!

With his tall demeanor and long arms and that long barrel Colt, he could draw the gun out and wack the gunman before he could even clear holster.

So my vote is for a long barrel Single action!

farmerboy · February 16, 2012, 12:44 AM

some pistols may actually be better for that than to try and shoot them.

ScottRiqui · February 16, 2012, 12:48 AM

I think it boils down to "more weight is better" (for the obvious reason), and "longer is better" (for the increased leverage). So, I'm going to agree that a long-barrelled revolver would probably be the best choice, especially if you grab it by the barrel and whack them with the butt.

Cheapshooter · February 16, 2012, 01:06 AM

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Do any of you feel that as a last result the pistol can be used as a Sap or brass knuckles? If so, how do you rate polymer framed guns in this use? Steel framed guns like the 1911, CZ75 and even the HK P7 would make a decent lump, where a polymer pistol would have to be turned in the right direction to be useful. Which fighting handgun do you rate as the best for "pistol whipping" in a last resort scenario?

Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are!

OK, I'll play. That's why I carry a Hi-Point. If I can't shoot them, I can throw it at them, hit 'em up side the head with it, or drop it on their foot. Maybe if I hit them hard enough the ZAMAC slide will shatter, and I can use the sharp edges left behind to gouge out their eyes!

ScottRiqui · February 16, 2012, 01:09 AM

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That's why I carry a Hi-Point. If I can't shoot them, I can throw it at them, hit 'em up side the head with it, or drop it on their foot.

Hey, there's something to be said for throwing a pistol. Remember the old "Superman" TV show from the 50s? Superman would let the bullets just bounce off of his chest, but he *always* dodged when the bad guy threw the empty gun at him!

9mm · February 16, 2012, 01:16 AM

Pistol whipping? I wouldn't want to be that close, nor do that, as someone could swipe my gun away. But I guess the best gun would be a all metal gun, not plastic guns.

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Hey, there's something to be said for throwing a pistol. Remember the old "Superman" TV show from the 50s? Superman would let the bullets just bounce off of his chest, but he *always* dodged when the bad guy threw the empty gun at him!

Haha, yeah, they throw the gun at him, and makes a poof sound. I hated those caves, they reused those sets alot.

arentol · February 16, 2012, 01:18 AM

I know of a guy with a CPL that did this once, while the gun was loaded. Apparently he got himself into a fight and decided using his gun to beat on the other person would be a good idea. He ended up shooting an innocent bystander. It was a series of horrible choices from start to finish, and using the gun as a melee weapon was probably the second worst of them, right after letting himself get into a fight while armed.

The reality is that there is almost no chance that you will need to use a gun in this manner. If the gun is loaded using it like this is idiotic. If it is empty it should be because you unloaded every round in the gun at the badguy, and all your spare magazines/reloads as well. At that point it is almost certain the fight is over, one way or another. The odds over the course of your entire life of you ever getting to the point that using your handgun as a melee weapon is a genuinely good idea is probably about an order of magnitude worse than the odds of winning the Powerball lottery. In other words, it isn't going to happen. Mentally preparing yourself for this idea can do no good, and might just do something bad by increasing the odds you will do something stupid like the guy I mentioned.

silvermane_1 · February 16, 2012, 01:36 AM

pistol whipping is never a good idea period, however if going to use a pistol as a blunt object use a wheelgun and hit with the grip/butt, this method is called "buffaloing".

C0untZer0 · February 16, 2012, 02:01 AM

I'd head butt someone before risking damaging my HK P7M8 whacking it against some thick-skulled jack ass.

I NEVER thought I would get to post this picture in an actual thread but here is the opportunity. If you really think you need the option to thump someone, get a glass breaker and mount it on your rail.

Now that's a serious headache:

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TennJed · February 16, 2012, 02:06 AM

Is damage from pistol whipping considered normal wear and tear and thus covered by most company warranties?

And considering how strong I am, I would have to use "Ruger Only Swings". An original Colt would blow apart if I used it to pistol whip

Cheapshooter · February 16, 2012, 02:09 AM

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Now that's seriously getting thumped:

OUCH!!! That thing gives me a headache just lookin' at it!!!
Maybe I'll get another Hi-Point, and put one of those on one, and one of these on the other one:

kozak6 · February 16, 2012, 02:18 AM

Or better yet, the glassbreaker has a rail too. You could have the glass breaker and a knife on each Hi-Point.

Personally, I would mount two glassbreakers on each pistol in case the first one didn't trigger. Can't be too careful.

Jammer Six · February 16, 2012, 02:35 AM

I thought that's why all you ninjas carried lights with curly lens caps-- so if you need to pistol whip someone, you holster, find your light, turn it around, and whack them with that High Impact Lens Cover.

Marquezj16 · February 16, 2012, 08:24 AM

I once saw a pistol flying through the air. It was in training though. lol
Double tap drills from the holster. They probably did not have a good grip.

One more reason why they put lanyards on our M9s. So you can throw it, retrieve and throw it again.

Dashunde · February 16, 2012, 08:56 AM

Well, yea, I guess if the rounds are all gone and the fight is still on, or more show up... swinging even a little PM9 is far better than a fist and I'd have to be cornered to resort to it.

My entire objective is to get myself out of there, not to apprehend or "win" the fight, that even includes within my own home unless it meant leaving wife or kid behind.

I think its a requirement for me to carry pepper spray along with the pistola as a way of dealing with a unarmed aggressor.
While I'd make every attempt to stay out of a fray, if I'm pounced by someone unarmed I'll spray them down and run instead of getting in a fist fight with a gun in my waistband.

Darmok · February 16, 2012, 09:58 AM

Best gun ever for pistol whipping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6Z0ZPPPGnc

Jammer Six · February 16, 2012, 11:08 AM

If I was going to pistol whip someone, I'd use my chevy half ton.

Cheapshooter · February 16, 2012, 01:24 PM

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You could have the glass breaker and a knife on each Hi-Point.

That's just plain ridiculous! The knife blade would block the triggering mechanism preventing the glass breaker from deploying. I want something that is seriously going to work. I think the two Hi-Points, one with glass breaker, the other with knife, in a double holster shoulder rig. Of course I don't think it will get to the pistol whipping point because I'll have 12 loaded spare clips in the rig. Also my 25 Larson, and 380 Jemeniz BUGs in my cargo pants pockets. I know I'll be legally protected, because I'll have my CCW badge plainly visible to all who want to look at it!

C0untZer0 · February 16, 2012, 01:43 PM

Desert

Eagle

Jammer Six · February 16, 2012, 02:04 PM

I'm not sure if I understand how that glass breaker works.

Is there a manual?

aarondhgraham · February 16, 2012, 02:40 PM

On a lot of the little 5-shot revolvers from the late 1800's or early 1900's,,,
There was often a pointy protrusion on the butt of the pistol grip.

They almost always had a hole drilled through them,,,
I assumed they were for some kind of lanyard.

But my grandfather told me they were called "dusters",,,
Meant to be used like one might use brass knuckles.

I remember asking him about it as a kid,,,
His Iver-Johnson "owl head" had one.

This thread might have become a bit silly as it went on,,,
But if I had used all my ammo and was still fighting,,,
I for darned sure wouldn't throw my gun at him,,,
I would be trying to beat him with it for sure.

Aarond

dsk · February 16, 2012, 03:33 PM

Currently I keep a steel-framed S&W 4006 as my bedside gun. I joked to the members on the Smith forum that it gives me 13 chances to take out the bad guy. When some of them asked me what I meant (it holds 11+1 rounds) I mentioned how the thing is heavy enough to make a good bludgeon if all else fails.

MrDontPlay · February 16, 2012, 04:18 PM

I put this on layaway today, I think I'd grab it by the end of the magazine and hit them with the back of the receiver like a mallet.

February 16, 2012, 12:10 AM	#1
banditgriot Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 132	Fighting Handguns/pistol whipping Do any of you feel that as a last result the pistol can be used as a Sap or brass knuckles? If so, how do you rate polymer framed guns in this use? Steel framed guns like the 1911, CZ75 and even the HK P7 would make a decent lump, where a polymer pistol would have to be turned in the right direction to be useful. Which fighting handgun do you rate as the best for "pistol whipping" in a last resort scenario?

February 16, 2012, 12:14 AM	#2
Lurky BoDean Member Join Date: January 23, 2012 Location: Alabama Posts: 75	Ruger Super Blackhawk with 10.5" barrel. __________________ Glock 19 Gen 4

February 16, 2012, 12:16 AM	#3
HighValleyRanch Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2005 Posts: 4,066	Have the Western Channel on in my shop when I am working. In the early series, Matt Dillon used his Colt long barrel as a pistol whip almost as often as he drew the gun to shoot! With his tall demeanor and long arms and that long barrel Colt, he could draw the gun out and wack the gunman before he could even clear holster. So my vote is for a long barrel Single action! __________________ From the sweet grass to the slaughter house; From birth until death; We travel between these two eternities........from 'Broken Trail"

February 16, 2012, 02:06 AM	#12
TennJed Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2010 Posts: 1,536	Is damage from pistol whipping considered normal wear and tear and thus covered by most company warranties? And considering how strong I am, I would have to use "Ruger Only Swings". An original Colt would blow apart if I used it to pistol whip __________________ Find out just how tall I am By jumping in the middle of a river

February 16, 2012, 02:35 AM	#15
Jammer Six Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 827	I thought that's why all you ninjas carried lights with curly lens caps-- so if you need to pistol whip someone, you holster, find your light, turn it around, and whack them with that High Impact Lens Cover. __________________ "Huh?" --Jammer Six, 1998

February 16, 2012, 12:44 AM	#4
farmerboy Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 1,343	some pistols may actually be better for that than to try and shoot them.

February 16, 2012, 12:48 AM	#5
ScottRiqui Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2010 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 2,905	I think it boils down to "more weight is better" (for the obvious reason), and "longer is better" (for the increased leverage). So, I'm going to agree that a long-barrelled revolver would probably be the best choice, especially if you grab it by the barrel and whack them with the butt.

February 16, 2012, 01:18 AM	#9
arentol Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2011 Posts: 230	I know of a guy with a CPL that did this once, while the gun was loaded. Apparently he got himself into a fight and decided using his gun to beat on the other person would be a good idea. He ended up shooting an innocent bystander. It was a series of horrible choices from start to finish, and using the gun as a melee weapon was probably the second worst of them, right after letting himself get into a fight while armed. The reality is that there is almost no chance that you will need to use a gun in this manner. If the gun is loaded using it like this is idiotic. If it is empty it should be because you unloaded every round in the gun at the badguy, and all your spare magazines/reloads as well. At that point it is almost certain the fight is over, one way or another. The odds over the course of your entire life of you ever getting to the point that using your handgun as a melee weapon is a genuinely good idea is probably about an order of magnitude worse than the odds of winning the Powerball lottery. In other words, it isn't going to happen. Mentally preparing yourself for this idea can do no good, and might just do something bad by increasing the odds you will do something stupid like the guy I mentioned.

February 16, 2012, 01:36 AM	#10
silvermane_1 Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2011 Location: Burien,WA Posts: 897	pistol whipping is never a good idea period, however if going to use a pistol as a blunt object use a wheelgun and hit with the grip/butt, this method is called "buffaloing".

February 16, 2012, 02:18 AM	#14
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	Or better yet, the glassbreaker has a rail too. You could have the glass breaker and a knife on each Hi-Point. Personally, I would mount two glassbreakers on each pistol in case the first one didn't trigger. Can't be too careful.

February 16, 2012, 08:24 AM	#16
Marquezj16 Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2011 Posts: 2,088	I once saw a pistol flying through the air. It was in training though. lol Double tap drills from the holster. They probably did not have a good grip. One more reason why they put lanyards on our M9s. So you can throw it, retrieve and throw it again.

February 16, 2012, 08:56 AM	#17
Dashunde Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 2004 Posts: 2,018	Well, yea, I guess if the rounds are all gone and the fight is still on, or more show up... swinging even a little PM9 is far better than a fist and I'd have to be cornered to resort to it. My entire objective is to get myself out of there, not to apprehend or "win" the fight, that even includes within my own home unless it meant leaving wife or kid behind. I think its a requirement for me to carry pepper spray along with the pistola as a way of dealing with a unarmed aggressor. While I'd make every attempt to stay out of a fray, if I'm pounced by someone unarmed I'll spray them down and run instead of getting in a fist fight with a gun in my waistband.

February 16, 2012, 09:58 AM	#18
Darmok Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Location: Connecticut Posts: 112	Best gun ever for pistol whipping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6Z0ZPPPGnc

February 16, 2012, 11:08 AM	#19
Jammer Six Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 827	If I was going to pistol whip someone, I'd use my chevy half ton. __________________ "Huh?" --Jammer Six, 1998

February 16, 2012, 01:43 PM	#21
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	Two words... Desert Eagle

February 16, 2012, 02:04 PM	#22
Jammer Six Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 827	I'm not sure if I understand how that glass breaker works. Is there a manual? __________________ "Huh?" --Jammer Six, 1998

February 16, 2012, 02:40 PM	#23
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	What was that protrusion on old pocket revolvers called?,,, On a lot of the little 5-shot revolvers from the late 1800's or early 1900's,,, There was often a pointy protrusion on the butt of the pistol grip. They almost always had a hole drilled through them,,, I assumed they were for some kind of lanyard. But my grandfather told me they were called "dusters",,, Meant to be used like one might use brass knuckles. I remember asking him about it as a kid,,, His Iver-Johnson "owl head" had one. This thread might have become a bit silly as it went on,,, But if I had used all my ammo and was still fighting,,, I for darned sure wouldn't throw my gun at him,,, I would be trying to beat him with it for sure. Aarond __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

February 16, 2012, 03:33 PM	#24
dsk Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2001 Posts: 1,603	Currently I keep a steel-framed S&W 4006 as my bedside gun. I joked to the members on the Smith forum that it gives me 13 chances to take out the bad guy. When some of them asked me what I meant (it holds 11+1 rounds) I mentioned how the thing is heavy enough to make a good bludgeon if all else fails.

February 16, 2012, 04:18 PM	#25
MrDontPlay Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2010 Posts: 587	I put this on layaway today, I think I'd grab it by the end of the magazine and hit them with the back of the receiver like a mallet. __________________ Someday I'll be good enough to know if a gun is accurate or not.