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Old April 16, 2009, 05:36 PM   #1
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Racist History of Handgun Bans in America

In the United States, the first efforts to prevent the ownership of firearms, in particular, handguns, were aimed at Blacks. The French Black Code (1751) required Louisiana colonists to stop and, "if necessary," beat "any black carrying any potential weapon. . . ." After Nat Turner's rebellion in 1831, the Virginia legislature made it illegal for free blacks "to keep or carry any firelock of any kind, any military weapon, or any powder or lead." In 1834, Tennessee revised Article XI, Section 26 of its Constitution to read "That the free white men of this State have a right to keep and bear arms for their common defense," inserting the words "free white men" to replace "freemen," whose rights were protected when the Constitution was ratified in 1796. (Clayton E. Cramer, "The Racist Roots of Gun Control," Kansas Journal of Law & Public Policy, Winter 1995.)

Mass production techniques lowered the cost of many products, including firearms. After the Civil War, gun prices fell within the budgets of average citizens, including former slaves who, having been freed, were entitled to exercise the right to arms, long considered one of the features distinguishing citizenship from servitude. The Supreme Court had ruled in Dred Scott v. Sanford (19 How. 393, 1857), "It (citizenship) would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognized as citizens in any one State of the Union, the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased. . . and it would give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went."

To prevent Blacks from arming themselves, southern states enacted the Black Codes, which "fixed the black population in serfdom, denying all political rights, excluding them from virtually any chance at economic or social advancement -- and, of course, forbidding them to own arms." (Don B. Kates, Jr., "Toward a History of Handgun Prohibition in the United States," Restricting Handguns: The Liberal Skeptics Speak Out, Don B. Kates, Jr., Ed., North River Press, Inc, 1979.)

After ratification of the 14th Amendment (1868) and enactment of the Civil Rights Act (1875), several states responded by passing laws which on their face were race-neutral, but which in effect were not. Attorney Robert Dowlut observed, "It does not matter that a law on its face applies to all. A law will be deemed unconstitutional if the 'the reality is that the law's impact falls on the minority.'" ("Bearing Arms in State Bills of Rights, Judicial Interpretation, and Public Housing," St. Thomas Law Review, Vol. 5, Fall 1992.)

Among these laws, the forerunners of so-called "Saturday Night Special" legislation, was Tennessee's "Army and Navy" law (1879), which prohibited the sale of any "belt or pocket pistols, or revolvers, or any other kind of pistols, except army or navy pistol" models, among the most expensive, and largest, handguns of the day. (Such as the Colt Model 1960 Army, Model 1851 Navy, and Model 1861 Navy percussion cap revolvers, or Model 1873 Single-Action Army revolver.) The law thus prohibited small two-shot derringers and low-caliber rimfire revolvers, the handguns that most Blacks could afford.

20th Century Anti-Handgun Efforts in the U.S.

In 1911, New York passed the Sullivan Law, which to this day requires a person to obtain a license, issued at the discretion of police officials, to possess a handgun. The law was aimed at preventing handgun ownership by Italians and Irish immigrants of the period, then considered untrustworthy by New York legislators and police chiefs with different bloodlines. The National Firearms Act (1934), as originally proposed, would have required registration of handguns.

In 1968, Congress passed the Gun Control Act, ostensibly in reaction to the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert F. Kennedy and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King. But even supporters of "gun control" have recognized another purpose to the law. Robert Sherrill wrote, "The Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed not to control guns but to control blacks.... Inasmuch as the legislation finally passed in 1968 had nothing to do with the guns used in the assassinations of King and Robert Kennedy, it seems reasonable to assume that the law was directed at that other threat of the 1960s, more omnipresent than the political assassin -- namely, the black rioter....With the horrendous rioting of 1967 and 1968, Congress again was panicked toward passing some law that would shut off weapons access to blacks." (The Saturday Night Special, 1973.) B. Bruce-Briggs similarly noted, "It is difficult to escape the conclusion that the 'Saturday night special' is emphasized because it is cheap and is being sold to a particular class of people. The name is sufficient evidence -- the reference is to 'n-----town Saturday Night.'" ("The Great American Gun War," The Public Interest, Fall 1976.)

More recently, anti-handgun efforts have included laws or legislative proposals for registration, licensing, limits on the frequency of purchases, limits on the capacity of ammunition magazines, bans on both small handguns ("Saturday Night Specials") and large handguns ("assault pistols"), and requirements that handguns (except those of the police) either be externally locked (rendering them useless for protection) or manufactured with non-existent internal devices to prevent the handgun from being used by anyone other than its rightful owner.

Conspicuously, the race-oriented history of "gun control" laws has escaped the attention of many in the civil rights community. Legal scholars Robert J. Cottrol and Raymond T. Diamond have written, "The history of blacks, firearms regulations, and the right to bear arms should cause us to ask new questions regarding the Second Amendment. . . . Perhaps a re-examination of this history can lead us to a modern realization of what the framers of the Second Amendment understood: that it is unwise to place the means of protection totally in the hands of the state, and that self-defense is also a civil right. orchidhunter
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Old April 16, 2009, 05:49 PM   #2
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We used to not allow voting by woman and blacks... Also could beat yer woman just to keep her in line at point in time...
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Old April 16, 2009, 05:51 PM   #3
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Good God! They still Have Slaves in Samelia Too! So what is your point?
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Old April 16, 2009, 06:07 PM   #4
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Let's not forget the Mulford Act in California passed in 1967.
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Old April 16, 2009, 06:37 PM   #5
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I know nothing about this, and have zero input. From what I read, it's a thinker and not sure what would cause a lock. If it's all wrong, then I understand.
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Old April 16, 2009, 08:17 PM   #6
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The reason for the lock is that we all agree that racism was a part of early America but it is now a part of history and we have moved ahead of that ignorance as a nation.
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Old April 16, 2009, 08:30 PM   #7
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Many laws were instituted solely because of racism and were continued to save face in the wake of frivolous and falsified propaganda. This applies to areas like the criminalization of marijuana.

Many laws were instituted solely because of racism yet continue for everyone for the well being of the citizens. I believe this is closer to the situation with gun control.

The government needs to be careful when they take away rights. Doing so usually accomplishes nothing but criminalizing large portions of the population.

After the smashing success of prohibition, the government turned it's efforts to the war on drugs.... and since that is going so darned well... they figured, "hey, lets take guns away too"

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Old April 16, 2009, 08:36 PM   #8
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I thought it was taboo to bring subjects like this up on the forum.. I guess it is OK for some and not for others.....racism??
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Old April 16, 2009, 08:56 PM   #9
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I thought it was common knowledge to anyone involved in 2nd Amendment issues that the origin of gun control laws was based on race. Am I mistaken?
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Old April 16, 2009, 09:26 PM   #10
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372 PA 1927 Michigan Compiled Laws...

this relates to purchasing and possessing handguns...

its all about Dr Ossian Sweet...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossian_Sweet
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Old April 16, 2009, 10:43 PM   #11
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In 1911, New York passed the Sullivan Law, which to this day requires a person to obtain a license, issued at the discretion of police officials, to possess a handgun. The law was aimed at preventing handgun ownership by Italians and Irish immigrants of the period, then considered untrustworthy by New York legislators and police chiefs with different bloodlines.
I can see that whoever wrote that knows very little about the Sullivan law

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Old April 16, 2009, 11:00 PM   #12
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In his Message to Congress urging passage of the Ku Klux Acts, President Granted noted that among the Klan's many crimes was that "they have conspired to deny Negro citizens the right to own and bear arms."
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Old April 16, 2009, 11:39 PM   #13
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Holy cow, not this stuff again!
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...archid=3224926

By golly, the founding of the United States involved racism! Manifest destiny was racist! So what of it? It is ancient history.


By the way orchidhunter, nice research. You signed your name to the bottom like it is yours, but it isn't. You "borrowed" it from the NRA. The copyright says it may be reproduced, but the expect it to be reproduced with proper credit given to the source.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...=137&issue=020

The document you borrowed has been around for at least 6 years, for crying out loud, and even then, the information isn't new.

What is even more troubling is that the opening sentence of the document is apparently WRONG! At least according to this site...http://www.lizmichael.com/racistgc.htm

The NRA's opening line borrowed by orchidhunter reads...
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In the United States, the first efforts to prevent the ownership of firearms, in particular, handguns, were aimed at Blacks. The French Black Code (1751) required Louisiana colonists to stop and, "if necessary," beat "any black carrying any potential weapon. . . ."
Apparently several laws preceded the 1751 laws.

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1640 Virginia Race-based total gun and self-defense ban.
"Prohibiting negroes, slave and free, from carrying
weapons including clubs." (The Los Angeles Times, "To
Fight Crime, Some Blacks Attack Gun Control," January
19, 1992)

1640 Virginia Race-based total gun ban. "That all such free
Mulattoes, Negroes and Indians...shall appear without
arms." [7 The Statues at Large; Being a Collection of
all the Laws of Virginia, from the First Session of
the Legislature, in the Year 1619, p. 95 (W.W. Henning
ed. 1823).] (GMU CR LJ, p. 67)

1712 Virginia Race-based total gun ban. "An Act for Preventing
Negroes Insurrections." (Henning, p. 481) (GMU CR LJ,
p. 70)

1712 South Carolina Race-based total gun ban. "An act for the better
ordering and governing of Negroes and slaves." [7
Statutes at Large of South Carolina, p. 353-54 (D.J.
McCord ed. 1836-1873).] (GMU CR LJ, p. 70)
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Old April 17, 2009, 05:07 AM   #14
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Why would this be locked? It's gun related, and some would argue, relevant today. Areas with the most restrictive guns laws are often areas with a high African American population.

I think this may be the elephant in the living room in Washington D.C.
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Old April 17, 2009, 05:37 AM   #15
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One could argue that may issue laws all have the potential to be used selectively for or against a particular race. If you live in a may issue state and your local sheriff disapproves of the amount of melanin you have, you could be out of your right to carry because of your color, and it wold be totally legal.
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Why would this be locked? It's gun related, and some would argue, relevant today. Areas with the most restrictive guns laws are often areas with a high African American population.

I think this may be the elephant in the living room in Washington D.C.
You would need to show cause and effect. Even then the current gun laws are not specifically racist. chemgirlie points out some "may issue" sorts of situations where personal bias may come into play that may be racist, but it also may be sexist, classist, or just plain personal. However, the law itself isn't racist.

As for areas with high African American populations often being areas with the most restrictive gun laws, no, not really. That would put the South in league with the most restrictive gun laws and that isn't happening. Illinois has some awfully restrictive gun laws but only about 17% African American population whereas Alabama has more like 27% and much less restrictive gun laws. Georgia has 30% African Americans and less gun laws and Mississippi has more than double the percentage at Illinois at 37%, but less gun laws.

DC is a particularly unique case that happens to house the seat of government. To blame its laws on race alone would be stretching inference beyond the data.
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Old April 17, 2009, 07:38 AM   #17
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The areas of most gun control tend to be big cities that allowed their criminals to run a muck until honest folks get tired of it. Some of those honest folks got harder to be victimized while other citizens sided with the politicians and aided the passing of measures that did nothing more than prevent legal upstanding folks from safely arming them selves... I bet the vast majority of folks who abide by gun laws are WHITE so the white race is being discriminated against!
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In the United States, the first efforts to prevent the ownership of firearms, in particular, handguns, were aimed at Blacks.
That really shouldn't be too surprising considering what this country was founded upon. Racism, tyranny, genocide and class warfare.
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Old April 17, 2009, 08:50 AM   #19
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Double Naught Spy, The only thing the NRA "expects" of me, is my dues. Give some thought as to why they don't ask that credit be given to them. orchidhunter
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Old April 17, 2009, 09:35 AM   #20
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That really shouldn't be too surprising considering what this country was founded upon. Racism, tyranny, genocide and class warfare.
#18indycolts, if that's your reading of the history of this country, I pity you.

As a politically active gun owner, I sure don't want you, or anyone with those views, on my side.
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#18indycolts, if that's your reading of the history of this country, I pity you.
Well Al, if you take out the tyranny and class warfare arguments he does have a point, albiet overstated...where would we be without rascism and genocide, historically apropos as it was...

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Old April 17, 2009, 10:36 AM   #22
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Anti- sorry if you don't feel that way, but I think I hit the nail directly on the head. This country was built on greed (taking land by force, the enslavement of a people and the ruling elite keeping the rest of the population in check. It all started with the not-so-good of a guy Chris Columbus. I'm not trying to argue here, just stating the facts of what our core principles were and are.
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Old April 17, 2009, 10:42 AM   #23
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Yeah, this is really old stuff that was in print for years and years. Do we really need it THIS year? How about "reverse descrimination influences gun sales nationwide"? With all the minority gangs toting around busloads of illegal guns, how can digging up old articles for inflammatory use be of any importance to an Obamanation? -7-
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Old April 17, 2009, 11:17 AM   #24
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Keep your emotions in check, people.

Yes, this subject has been discussed before.

But just because it's been discussed once or twice or whatever DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYONE, EVERY NEW MEMBER, EVERY NEW ADVOCATE OF THE SHOOTING SPORTS, EVERY NEW GUNOWNER, IS FAMILIAR WITH IT!

So, I'll issue this warning:

If all you have to "contribute" to this discussion is a mini-screed questioning the motives of the original poster, bitching about the tenancy of the post, or anything else, STAY OUT OF IT.

Do I make myself clear?

Any more messages that consist of nothing by "WAAH! WAAH! WE KNOW THIS! will be summarily deleted and the poster will be dealt with accordingly.

To sum it up?

STOP YOUR DAMNED THREAD CRAPPING!
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Old April 17, 2009, 11:23 AM   #25
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This discussion is still valid today. Many states instituted may-issue CCW laws precisely to keep guns out of the hands of minorities. That's still used today to restrict CCWs to the political and economic elite. Those origins need to be well known and discussed precisely so that we can rub the antis noses in their racist and elitist goals.
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