PPKS decocker lever dropping during recoil

RickE · January 30, 2010, 01:47 PM

I have had issues with feeding and ejecting from my PPKS. I did some polishing and oiled it heavier than normal just to find the issue to be the decocker/safety lever was dropping either partially or fully from recoil. That seems to be the problem after all. Anyone have ideas how to fix?

alloy · January 30, 2010, 02:05 PM

Sounds like p/n #4 extractor spring, the tip of #5 safety catch plunger, or the detent in #10 safety catch is either worn out or the channel the extractor spring rides in is gummed/trashed up badly.
I think #10 has to be fit, the other two are drop in parts, but I might be wrong about 10.

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RickE · January 30, 2010, 07:35 PM

Thank you alloy, it makes sence, I will start there.

James K · January 30, 2010, 11:51 PM

Did you buy the gun new? That problem (assuming it is what alloy and I think it is) could be due to someone disassembling the gun and losing the rear spring plunger. Loss of plunger(s) and/or the spring is pretty common with those guns when someone decides to remove the extractor and doesn't keep control of the parts.

Jim

RickE · January 31, 2010, 11:18 AM

Thank you Jim, I did buy it used through Cabelas. I see why someone traded it. I will take it apart later today and post what I find.

RickE · January 31, 2010, 07:18 PM

Jim and alloy,I broke down and cleaned all the mechanisms. The detent looks fine, the plunger and spring are in place, the extractor has sufficient spring pressure. There is what I deem to be about the right amount of tension on the safety lever. Everything looks and feels fine. But, I do not see how to disassemble the extractor, spring and plunger(s). There is no pin or anything visible.

alloy · January 31, 2010, 07:34 PM

the extractor is really not connected to the gun except by pressure put on the rear end of it by part #3 and the spring in the drawing. It should nearly fall out once tension is removed from it by pulling the decocker lever.
In other words, the spring, and the small pieces on each end, and their tension, are the only thing holding the extractor in place. Easy to lose.
#3 can only be oriented one way on reassembly or the extractor wont be held captive, but with the lever removed out of the way all those parts should remove easily and slide out with the spring, from the channel the spring lays in.

alloy · January 31, 2010, 07:42 PM

From memory, push the firing pin forward out of the decocking lever, position decocker between the two detents and slip it out of the slide.
Spring and two end pieces(3 and 5) will slide out of the channel and the extractor will fall off the side of the slide.

James K · February 1, 2010, 01:55 PM

To re-install, put the firing pin and decocking lever in first, then the plungers/spring, then the extractor. Push the front plunger back with the extractor and the extractor will pop right in. (Best to do this under a piece of cloth to keep things from flying if you mess up.)

Jim

RickE · February 14, 2010, 06:39 PM

Jim Keenan & alloy; I took it all apart. Everything seemed fine. A little wear on the lip of the detent, but it did not appear to be enough to cause this problem. But I did notice that it takes more effort to release the safety (up) than to engage it (down). I have not been back to the range, but I will post the results then. I'm not sure why it would be any better.

Sixer · February 15, 2010, 02:02 PM

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Anyone have ideas how to fix?

Well, I guess you could just sell it...

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=398316

January 31, 2010, 07:18 PM	#6
RickE Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2009 Location: Kirkland Wa. Posts: 516	jim k Jim and alloy,I broke down and cleaned all the mechanisms. The detent looks fine, the plunger and spring are in place, the extractor has sufficient spring pressure. There is what I deem to be about the right amount of tension on the safety lever. Everything looks and feels fine. But, I do not see how to disassemble the extractor, spring and plunger(s). There is no pin or anything visible. Last edited by RickE; January 31, 2010 at 07:20 PM. Reason: adding text

January 30, 2010, 01:47 PM	#1
RickE Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2009 Location: Kirkland Wa. Posts: 516	PPKS decocker lever dropping during recoil I have had issues with feeding and ejecting from my PPKS. I did some polishing and oiled it heavier than normal just to find the issue to be the decocker/safety lever was dropping either partially or fully from recoil. That seems to be the problem after all. Anyone have ideas how to fix?

January 30, 2010, 07:35 PM	#3
RickE Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2009 Location: Kirkland Wa. Posts: 516	Thank you alloy, it makes sence, I will start there.

January 30, 2010, 11:51 PM	#4
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Did you buy the gun new? That problem (assuming it is what alloy and I think it is) could be due to someone disassembling the gun and losing the rear spring plunger. Loss of plunger(s) and/or the spring is pretty common with those guns when someone decides to remove the extractor and doesn't keep control of the parts. Jim

January 31, 2010, 11:18 AM	#5
RickE Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2009 Location: Kirkland Wa. Posts: 516	Thank you Jim, I did buy it used through Cabelas. I see why someone traded it. I will take it apart later today and post what I find.

February 1, 2010, 01:55 PM	#9
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	To re-install, put the firing pin and decocking lever in first, then the plungers/spring, then the extractor. Push the front plunger back with the extractor and the extractor will pop right in. (Best to do this under a piece of cloth to keep things from flying if you mess up.) Jim

February 14, 2010, 06:39 PM	#10
RickE Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2009 Location: Kirkland Wa. Posts: 516	Jim Keenan & alloy; I took it all apart. Everything seemed fine. A little wear on the lip of the detent, but it did not appear to be enough to cause this problem. But I did notice that it takes more effort to release the safety (up) than to engage it (down). I have not been back to the range, but I will post the results then. I'm not sure why it would be any better.