Question on reloading Win. AA shotshells

Hueco · January 10, 2000, 03:09 PM

I have about 150 12 ga. 2 3/4" Winchester AA cases. I plan on using 19.5 grains of Winchester 452AA powder, and Winchester WAA12 wads. Is this all correct, and what primer should I use? I believe the best to use would be a Winchester W209. Is this correct? It does get cold where I shoot. It can be below 20 degrees F. If you can't tell, I am trying to duplicate a Winchester AA shell very closely. Thanks!!

Hueco

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Walt Welch · January 12, 2000, 02:30 AM

The best thing to do is to download the Winchester Reloading Manual in Adobe (.pdf) format. Here is the website:
http://www.winchester.com/reloader/index.html

This will help you with future reloads, but since 452AA is a discontinued powder, I perused an old reloading manual which had Winchester reloading data in it. Mind you, this information is 10 years old, and uses the old lead crusher method of measuring pressures, so it may no longer be reliable. You are on your own with these data.

A Win AA case with 19.5gr 452AA, 1 1/8 oz. shot, Win 209 primer, and Win WAA12 wad will yield a velocity of 1145 fps., and generate 9,400 lup. This load is noted as duplicating the ballistics level of the factory Winchester 2 3/4 dram eq. AA plus Target Load.

Using the same components, but increasing the powder charge to 20.5 gr. 452AA yields a velocity of 1200 fps., and a pressure of 10,100 lup. This load is noted as duplicating the ballistics level of the factory Winchester 3 dram eq. AA plus Target Load.

You may wish to contact Winchester by e-mail to see if these data are still recommended.

Hope this helps, Walt

house · January 12, 2000, 02:47 AM

Huceco this is what I use,
This is for a 1/1/8 shot 3dram load

win209 primer
WST powder ( 20.0g)
waa12 red hull

the velocity of that load 1200
great for 16 all the way back to 27 yards and the perfect load of ATA meets.
hope this helps if you need any more info email me and i will try to give you my best answer.

House

Hueco · January 12, 2000, 09:36 AM

Thanks fellas, that was exactly what I was looking for! Now all that is left do to is start loading!

Hueco

Jeff Cox · February 8, 2000, 05:50 PM

I'm thinking about getting into reloading to support my skeet habit. I was in the gun shop today looking at components to try to figure out what the cost of a reloaded box would be. Can anyone share what the cost of duplicating the Win. AA shotshells is for them?

Hueco · February 9, 2000, 12:04 AM

I load a box of AA's for about half the cost of a store-bought box. At max it would be $3. My dad and I have already saved about $130 and have only been loading for 3 weeks.

Hueco

Mouse Gun · February 9, 2000, 08:59 PM

My personal favorite for the AA(12ga.)is: 1 1/8 oz. shot, Hodgdon Clays powder(very clean),WAA12 wad and W209 primer. I have my Hornaday Apex set up just for this load. Sorry, I cant help on the load in question.

Mouse Gun

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January 10, 2000, 03:09 PM	#1
Hueco Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 1999 Posts: 561	I have about 150 12 ga. 2 3/4" Winchester AA cases. I plan on using 19.5 grains of Winchester 452AA powder, and Winchester WAA12 wads. Is this all correct, and what primer should I use? I believe the best to use would be a Winchester W209. Is this correct? It does get cold where I shoot. It can be below 20 degrees F. If you can't tell, I am trying to duplicate a Winchester AA shell very closely. Thanks!! Hueco [This message has been edited by Hueco (edited January 10, 2000).]

January 12, 2000, 02:30 AM	#2
Walt Welch Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 1998 Location: Alamo, CA Posts: 424	The best thing to do is to download the Winchester Reloading Manual in Adobe (.pdf) format. Here is the website: http://www.winchester.com/reloader/index.html This will help you with future reloads, but since 452AA is a discontinued powder, I perused an old reloading manual which had Winchester reloading data in it. Mind you, this information is 10 years old, and uses the old lead crusher method of measuring pressures, so it may no longer be reliable. You are on your own with these data. A Win AA case with 19.5gr 452AA, 1 1/8 oz. shot, Win 209 primer, and Win WAA12 wad will yield a velocity of 1145 fps., and generate 9,400 lup. This load is noted as duplicating the ballistics level of the factory Winchester 2 3/4 dram eq. AA plus Target Load. Using the same components, but increasing the powder charge to 20.5 gr. 452AA yields a velocity of 1200 fps., and a pressure of 10,100 lup. This load is noted as duplicating the ballistics level of the factory Winchester 3 dram eq. AA plus Target Load. You may wish to contact Winchester by e-mail to see if these data are still recommended. Hope this helps, Walt

January 12, 2000, 02:47 AM	#3
house Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 1999 Location: AZ/CA Posts: 369	Huceco this is what I use, This is for a 1/1/8 shot 3dram load win209 primer WST powder ( 20.0g) waa12 red hull the velocity of that load 1200 great for 16 all the way back to 27 yards and the perfect load of ATA meets. hope this helps if you need any more info email me and i will try to give you my best answer. House

January 12, 2000, 09:36 AM	#4
Hueco Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 1999 Posts: 561	Thanks fellas, that was exactly what I was looking for! Now all that is left do to is start loading! Hueco

February 8, 2000, 05:50 PM	#5
Jeff Cox Member Join Date: December 1, 1998 Location: Culver City, CA, USA Posts: 16	I'm thinking about getting into reloading to support my skeet habit. I was in the gun shop today looking at components to try to figure out what the cost of a reloaded box would be. Can anyone share what the cost of duplicating the Win. AA shotshells is for them?

February 9, 2000, 12:04 AM	#6
Hueco Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 1999 Posts: 561	I load a box of AA's for about half the cost of a store-bought box. At max it would be $3. My dad and I have already saved about $130 and have only been loading for 3 weeks. Hueco

February 9, 2000, 08:59 PM	#7
Mouse Gun Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2000 Posts: 101	My personal favorite for the AA(12ga.)is: 1 1/8 oz. shot, Hodgdon Clays powder(very clean),WAA12 wad and W209 primer. I have my Hornaday Apex set up just for this load. Sorry, I cant help on the load in question. Mouse Gun [This message has been edited by Mouse Gun (edited February 09, 2000).]