Need X-Mas Ideas for Best Self Defense Product (Non-Gun)

sven · December 12, 2002, 03:16 AM

Need help with a christmas gift: a self-defense product for a beautiful young woman - but not a gun.

What specific product should I get her?

Thanks!

-sven

New_comer · December 12, 2002, 05:59 AM

How about a set of silver kitchen knives?

With a tactical folder to go with them, that would be awesome!!!

Each and every piece a defensive tool in its own right.

spenny · December 12, 2002, 06:05 AM

pepper spray

weerwolf · December 12, 2002, 07:21 AM

A switch-blade that pops out from the front.
BTW how old is she ?

Tamara · December 12, 2002, 09:02 AM

OC and a pair of track shoes.

Gotta disagree with those who suggested knives. How big is she? How much training has she had? How aggressive is she? Do you really want her in close enough to a criminal to use a knife?

Joe Demko · December 12, 2002, 10:29 AM

A dog.

sven · December 12, 2002, 11:09 AM

Dog is too high maintenance.

She's in her mid-twenties, and travels a lot.

She's pretty small, has no training, and is looking for something short of a gun. Does anyone have a specific pepper spray product to recommend, or does it not really matter, just buy anything?

Thanks again!

-s

Joe Demko · December 12, 2002, 11:32 AM

Fox Labs makes the best.

C.R.Sam · December 12, 2002, 11:47 AM

Schooling.

Sam

Cato · December 12, 2002, 01:36 PM

A certificate for a course like this one:
Insights Training Centre Unarmed Self Defense
http://www.insightstraining.com/ps/c.../unarm/usd.htm or from Demi Barbito http://www.demibarbito.com/ plus a can of FOX OC spray and a SureFire E2e tactical flaslight (60 lumens blinding power buy time for evasive movements or buy time to spray).

CWL · December 12, 2002, 07:09 PM

Defense Training in your area.

Try here: http://www.awt-co.com

Walt Marshall has classes at Reeds in Santa Clara as well as East Bay.

I believe that Walt has specific 2-day edged weapons defensive classes for women. Highly recommend you take a few of their gun tactics classes as well. Walt is a friend of John Jardine -maker of that Valtro you're packin'.

Take a look at their site, the trainers are real fighters who have survived multiple street encounters. Not just martial artists working with theoreticals.

btw. Did I mention that Walt consults for movies, like the bank robbery scene in "Heat"?

ronin308 · December 12, 2002, 08:11 PM

Get her something with a Swoosh on it.

Just kidding...what's your budget?

KSFreeman · December 12, 2002, 08:40 PM

Get her the biggest gun there be: a cell phone.

ThePatriot29 · December 12, 2002, 10:17 PM

I second the Defensive Course suggestions.

Also, for a stocking stuffer, Fox Labs Pepper Spray... I gave it to a bunch of girls here at college, and they loved it.

LBC · December 13, 2002, 06:48 PM

Without a doubt, Fox Labs OC spray, followed by an ASP baton, Surefire 6P or 9P flashlight, and/or a Benchmade folding knife.

She could also take up Krav Maga, boxing, or Brazilian ju-jitsu.

stick · December 13, 2002, 07:29 PM

Hate to sound like I'm jumping on a band wagon but...Training.

Find something that stresses preventative measures and situational awareness. These courses tend to fall under ideas like "safe business traveler" or "self protection for the executive". They may get into some stun-and-run tactics but it's mostly mind set and prevention.

If she's interested in a continuing education in self defense, maybe the two of you could sign-up for Krav Maga or some other combative together for the new year.

sven · December 13, 2002, 10:15 PM

Actually, though I've done quite a bit of 'instruction' with her and guns, I'm going to look into training with Walt here in the Bay Area for her _and_ I.

Now, on the pepper spray stuff... Fox makes so many units... which to choose?

http://1stoptacticalgear.com/fox.htm

I see different percentages, different spray patterns... which option do you recommend?

Phyphor · December 13, 2002, 10:18 PM

A M-1 Abrams tank. :P

(hey, she'd be safe from almost anything! )

Seriously, a cell phone sounds like the best bet, as knives require lots of training to be really consistently effective with.

ThePatriot29 · December 13, 2002, 10:55 PM

I got the women in my life

the Foxlabs 2 oz. Medium Fog Cop Top type. Good size for the purse, good positive firing system, small size but bigger then their keychain units.

sven · December 13, 2002, 11:25 PM

Thanks - just ordered the same...

...women (plural), eh?

Nothing Oedipal going on, I trust? =)

-s

Fly320s · December 14, 2002, 12:12 AM

Sven, you said she travels alot.

Just so you know, no OC, pepper, CS, mace spray allowed on airlines these days.

I believe they are still allowed in checked baggage, but certainly not carry-ons.

ThePatriot29 · December 14, 2002, 02:49 AM

Quote:

...women (plural), eh?

Nothing Oedipal going on, I trust? =)

Not at all. I bought 5 of the 2oz Fox sprays and gave them to 5 of my female friends at college. I'm also planning on getting a few more to give to a few friends back home for Christmas.

sven · December 14, 2002, 04:22 AM

She works in the travel industry, so, sadly, no way around that. It will probably stay in the car or in a locker inside the airport - as if that exists.

Training still seems the best long term solution - detection and evasion, etc.

KPS · December 14, 2002, 08:10 AM

If she travels alot, why would she leave the pepper spray in her car or airport locker when she'd need it most?Isn't that the point of carrying it...for self defense?Checking it in her luggage and taking it out when she gets to her destination would be a better idea.

Blackhawk · December 14, 2002, 07:38 PM

Fox Labs OC spray.
It'll ruin their day.

December 12, 2002, 03:16 AM	#1
sven Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: Palo Alto, California Posts: 532	Need X-Mas Ideas for Best Self Defense Product (Non-Gun) Need help with a christmas gift: a self-defense product for a beautiful young woman - but not a gun. What specific product should I get her? Thanks! -sven

December 12, 2002, 05:59 AM	#2
New_comer Senior Member Join Date: July 30, 2001 Location: Manila, Phil. Posts: 1,004	How about a set of silver kitchen knives? With a tactical folder to go with them, that would be awesome!!! Each and every piece a defensive tool in its own right. __________________ Regards, New_comer USP9F, Remington 870 "It not in the size of the thing, it's how you use it..."

December 12, 2002, 06:05 AM	#3
spenny Member Join Date: November 18, 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 50	pepper spray __________________ spenny a proud TFL alumnus Common sense is not a common virtue.

December 12, 2002, 07:21 AM	#4
weerwolf Member Join Date: December 8, 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 28	A switch-blade that pops out from the front. BTW how old is she ? __________________ veni , vedi , velcro I came , I saw and I stuck around

December 12, 2002, 09:02 AM	#5
Tamara Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 16,002	OC and a pair of track shoes. Gotta disagree with those who suggested knives. How big is she? How much training has she had? How aggressive is she? Do you really want her in close enough to a criminal to use a knife? __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum.

December 12, 2002, 10:29 AM	#6
Joe Demko Senior Member Join Date: September 14, 2000 Posts: 1,143	A dog. __________________ "No honest man needs a handgun smaller than a canned ham." Bill Ruger

December 12, 2002, 11:09 AM	#7
sven Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: Palo Alto, California Posts: 532	Dog is too high maintenance. She's in her mid-twenties, and travels a lot. She's pretty small, has no training, and is looking for something short of a gun. Does anyone have a specific pepper spray product to recommend, or does it not really matter, just buy anything? Thanks again! -s

December 12, 2002, 11:32 AM	#8
Joe Demko Senior Member Join Date: September 14, 2000 Posts: 1,143	Fox Labs makes the best. __________________ "No honest man needs a handgun smaller than a canned ham." Bill Ruger

December 12, 2002, 11:47 AM	#9
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Schooling. Sam

December 12, 2002, 01:36 PM	#10
Cato Member Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: Austria/Europe Posts: 64	A certificate for a course like this one: Insights Training Centre Unarmed Self Defense http://www.insightstraining.com/ps/c.../unarm/usd.htm or from Demi Barbito http://www.demibarbito.com/ plus a can of FOX OC spray and a SureFire E2e tactical flaslight (60 lumens blinding power buy time for evasive movements or buy time to spray).

December 12, 2002, 07:09 PM	#11
CWL Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,576	Defense Training in your area. Try here: http://www.awt-co.com Walt Marshall has classes at Reeds in Santa Clara as well as East Bay. I believe that Walt has specific 2-day edged weapons defensive classes for women. Highly recommend you take a few of their gun tactics classes as well. Walt is a friend of John Jardine -maker of that Valtro you're packin'. Take a look at their site, the trainers are real fighters who have survived multiple street encounters. Not just martial artists working with theoreticals. btw. Did I mention that Walt consults for movies, like the bank robbery scene in "Heat"? __________________ Vae Victis

December 12, 2002, 08:11 PM	#12
ronin308 Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2001 Posts: 1,977	Get her something with a Swoosh on it. Just kidding...what's your budget? __________________ If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara desert in five years there’d be a shortage of sand. -Milton Friedman

December 12, 2002, 08:40 PM	#13
KSFreeman Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2001 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America Posts: 5,418	Get her the biggest gun there be: a cell phone. __________________ "Arguments of policy must give way to a constitutional command." Payton v. New York, 445 U.S. 573, 602 (1980).

December 12, 2002, 10:17 PM	#14
ThePatriot29 Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 120	I second the Defensive Course suggestions. Also, for a stocking stuffer, Fox Labs Pepper Spray... I gave it to a bunch of girls here at college, and they loved it.

December 13, 2002, 06:48 PM	#15
LBC Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2001 Posts: 385	Without a doubt, Fox Labs OC spray, followed by an ASP baton, Surefire 6P or 9P flashlight, and/or a Benchmade folding knife. She could also take up Krav Maga, boxing, or Brazilian ju-jitsu.

December 13, 2002, 07:29 PM	#16
stick Member Join Date: September 6, 2001 Posts: 90	Hate to sound like I'm jumping on a band wagon but...Training. Find something that stresses preventative measures and situational awareness. These courses tend to fall under ideas like "safe business traveler" or "self protection for the executive". They may get into some stun-and-run tactics but it's mostly mind set and prevention. If she's interested in a continuing education in self defense, maybe the two of you could sign-up for Krav Maga or some other combative together for the new year.

December 13, 2002, 10:15 PM	#17
sven Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: Palo Alto, California Posts: 532	Actually, though I've done quite a bit of 'instruction' with her and guns, I'm going to look into training with Walt here in the Bay Area for her _and_ I. Now, on the pepper spray stuff... Fox makes so many units... which to choose? http://1stoptacticalgear.com/fox.htm I see different percentages, different spray patterns... which option do you recommend?

December 13, 2002, 10:18 PM	#18
Phyphor Member Join Date: November 9, 2002 Location: The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 29	A M-1 Abrams tank. :P (hey, she'd be safe from almost anything! ) Seriously, a cell phone sounds like the best bet, as knives require lots of training to be really consistently effective with. __________________ "He who lives by the sword gets shot by those who don't." - Unknown

December 13, 2002, 10:55 PM	#19
ThePatriot29 Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 120	I got the women in my life the Foxlabs 2 oz. Medium Fog Cop Top type. Good size for the purse, good positive firing system, small size but bigger then their keychain units.

December 13, 2002, 11:25 PM	#20
sven Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: Palo Alto, California Posts: 532	Thanks - just ordered the same... ...women (plural), eh? Nothing Oedipal going on, I trust? =) -s

December 14, 2002, 12:12 AM	#21
Fly320s Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2001 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 281	Sven, you said she travels alot. Just so you know, no OC, pepper, CS, mace spray allowed on airlines these days. I believe they are still allowed in checked baggage, but certainly not carry-ons. __________________ Cognito, ergo shoot.

December 14, 2002, 04:22 AM	#23
sven Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: Palo Alto, California Posts: 532	She works in the travel industry, so, sadly, no way around that. It will probably stay in the car or in a locker inside the airport - as if that exists. Training still seems the best long term solution - detection and evasion, etc.

December 14, 2002, 08:10 AM	#24
KPS Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2001 Location: MA Posts: 780	If she travels alot, why would she leave the pepper spray in her car or airport locker when she'd need it most?Isn't that the point of carrying it...for self defense?Checking it in her luggage and taking it out when she gets to her destination would be a better idea. __________________ Welcome to Cape Cod.Beware of drunken Kennedys!

December 14, 2002, 07:38 PM	#25
Blackhawk Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2001 Posts: 5,040	Fox Labs OC spray. It'll ruin their day.

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