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July 30, 2014, 02:31 PM | #1 |
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Domestic Violence and Gun Control
After failing to implement more stringent gun control measures politicians and pro gun control groups have a new tactic – focusing on domestic violence. The Senate Judiciary Committee is holding hearings on guns and domestic violence. Also, Gabby Giffords and Bloomberg are using the issue of domestic violence to push gun control and target Senators who support firearms freedom.
This plays into the overall strategy that Bloomberg discussed several months ago of focusing gun control efforts on women. I suppose it also plays into the bogus war on women we keep hearing about. Domestic violence is a serious issue that we should all be concerned about, but not sure restricting the freedoms of law abiding citizens is the way to go about it. http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/30/politi...html?hpt=hp_t1
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On ABC’s The View they showed a copy of Bloomberg’s video, but it didn’t necessarily get the desired response from the hosts. Three of the four host actually support having guns for protection and even related stories of previous threats in their lives.
http://abc.go.com/shows/the-view/vid...VDKA0_8j9003qu
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July 30, 2014, 04:39 PM | #3 |
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Yeah, in the "ad", I can see that the woman's phone isn't helping her one bit...
Where's HER gun?... It just shows me that the people putting out that "ad" are completely illogical.
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Don't we already have laws that ban possession of firearms by people convicted of domestic violence misdemeanors?
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Canada, as part of the application process for a firearm licence, actually asks you to list your spouse/partners for the last two years including contact details, and current spouse must sign off on your licence application or you must show cause why the fact that they did not shouldn't raise red flags. IIRC the form is gender-neutral, but it's very clear that it's meant to prevent complete arseholes who slap their women around from having guns.
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Gabby, and Mark Giffords are out promoting the concept that gun rights are equivalent to "a part of the war on women". Nothing could be further for the truth.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...A-War-On-Women
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Argue with emotions, not logic, such is the gun grabbers way/strategy.
That was certainly unexpected, coming from "The View". The host in pink barely got a word in, she almost looked flabbergasted at what she was hearing from her fellow hosts that they were against what the ad was trying to "showcase". Kind of refreshing really. |
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That said, a lifetime ban for a misdemeanor is excessive; I'd like to see temporary bans instead, applied to a wider range of violent misdemeanors (not just domestic), on the basis that the best predictor of violence is a history of violence.
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Sorry, I obviously did not choose my words well. I believe the entire emphasis on guns and domestic violence has less to do with actually reducing domestic violence and more to do with demonizing those who oppose more gun control. The CNN article stated that Bloomberg’s video is being used to target Senators who have previously opposed gun control. Obviously they hope that in the upcoming election they can paint Senators who opposed gun control as not caring about women, children, teddy bears, etc and elect individuals who will be more open to their agenda. Yes, this is just my opinion, but I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch.
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If these folks already have domestic violence convictions, aren't they already prohibited persons? What are the new proposals and what would the proposals do that isn't already being done? |
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As I said earlier I’m not opposed to actions that address the issue of domestic Violence and once we see the actual Bill I guess we can debate it then. I also realize we are supposed to avoid politics, but I fear the entire issue is being used to demonize the NRA and politicians that opposed gun control. http://www.kaine.senate.gov/press-re...m-gun-violence http://www.momsdemandaction.org/domestic-gun-violence/
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"Canada, as part of the application process for a firearm licence, actually asks you to list your spouse/partners for the last two years including contact details, and current spouse must sign off on your licence application or you must show cause why the fact that they did not shouldn't raise red flags. IIRC the form is gender-neutral, but it's very clear that it's meant to prevent complete arseholes who slap their women around from having guns. "
The current law we already have is overreaching by itself. Glad I don't live in Canada. If a law like this were passed here I would file divorce right then. I refuse to have to have someones signed permission in order to buy anything, and im sure they don't want to ask mine either. |
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From Tim Kaine's article posted by BarryLee:
" Kaine shared the story of Deborah Wigg, a Virginia Beach resident who was tragically shot and killed in 2011 by her separated husband, who, despite being arrested and issued a restraining order for domestic violence against Deborah, never had his gun confiscated as federal law requires." So why are they making new laws instead of enforcing existing laws? And from the Moms Demand Action: "Tragically, our lax gun laws make it easier for abusers to acquire a firearm than it is to purchase a Sudafed." This is just an outright lie. The gun laws aren't lax. Prohibited persons simply aren't allowed to have guns. Again, it's the enforcement that's lax. |
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What we need to do is make a response video showing the exact same situation except this time the woman on the phone HAS A GUN in the other hand. Attacker busts down door and moves to threaten the child...screen fades to black as shots ring out. New scene, mom holding child in front of house with EMS and Police there in the aftermath
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A little cheesy, but still gets the point across. I like it. A shame it'll never see the light of day on any of the MS news stations and what have you.
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The problem isn't a firearms disability for domestic violence convictions. Or including dating partners. The problem is 50 states worth of different DV laws feeding into and triggering a federal law when none of them were specifically crafted to work with each other. Look at this story of some poor guy who was going to get a DV conviction over pinching his wife's nose to get her teeth out of his finger. Does THAT rise to the level we want labeled Domestic Violence? Especially sufficient to strip rights, and in this guy's case residency, citizenship, etc?
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Jim, I know of one situation in which a book was thrown across the room at a spouse. In Georgia, this constituted misdemeanor DV. The defendant plead out to get the whole situation over with. This was in 1988.
They didn't exactly send out a memo when the law went into effect in 1996, and he didn't know until he tried to buy a gun a few years later.
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Exactly. They just aren't designed to interact with each other. If they want to go after DV, that's great. That's wonderful. They just need to start from scratch and set a unified baseline at the state and federal levels.
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Bloomberg's strategists screwed up on their latest campaign. They put out an anti-firearms (to them) PSA showing an unarmed woman on the phone telling the police her abusive, court restrained husband was trying to break into her home. He finally does and shoots her.
Not everyone views it as anti-firearms, though. VIDEO LINK The upshot is that many people, about 50:50, viewing the PSA find it as more of a pro-firearms message -- that you should have a firearm for self defense in domestic abuse cases. Even the ladies of "The View" agreed, with three out of four of them saying women should arm themselves with a firearm. VIDEO LINK However ... An enterprising YouTuber has massaged the video to an alternate ending. VIDEO LINK The YouTube video may not stay up for long if Bloomberg challenges it as copyright infringement.
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It has already been yanked.
"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Everytown for Gun Safety."
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