Buckshot or slug for home defence? - Page 2

Dingoboyx · April 19, 2009, 07:07 AM

The first couple full of rock salt, then a couple of buckshot then a slug for good measure..... depending if the encounter needs to escalate to lethal. If it goes to lethal right away, pump out the first two (quickly)

**Mike Irwin** · April 19, 2009, 09:45 AM

Buckshot, specifically No. 4 buckshot.

**Mike Irwin** · April 19, 2009, 09:48 AM

"The first couple full of rock salt, then a couple of buckshot then a slug for good measure..... depending if the encounter needs to escalate to lethal."

The second a weapon comes out the encounter is automatically of the lethal variety.

Rock salt shells make sense ONLY if you want to A) make believe that shooting someone with a shell so loaded constitutes non-lethal force, B) want to end up in jail, and C) want to give away everything you own when the person you shot sues you.

Dingoboyx · April 19, 2009, 09:52 AM

That was actually a quite pathetic mundane attempt at humour

lowbud · April 19, 2009, 09:56 AM

I have Centurian Multi-Defense loaded in my Mossberg 500A. I sure wouldn't want to be on the recieving end of it.

**Mike Irwin** · April 19, 2009, 10:00 AM

I know it was, Dingo, but I just wanted to make sure everyone else knew that it's not a good idea at all.

m11/nine · April 20, 2009, 06:07 AM

Buck shot will go through the wall and into anyone in the other rooms so if overpenitration is a concern, and it should be if you live with anyone else in your house then go with a smaller shot. #4 is pleanty lethal and will not overpenitrate. Personally i dont like to go lighter then #4 but even #8 will take a guys head off under 10yards.

It is also easier on the recoil which is good if your wife of kids have to use the gun. it wont blow them on their behind like 00 will.

GetYerShells · April 20, 2009, 08:02 AM

+1 To using buckshot. Your chance of overpenetration is much greater with slugs.

PoorSoulInJersey · April 20, 2009, 05:49 PM

If you are defending against an invading T-800 and Skynet, go for the slug. For organic predators, stick with buckshot.

Katrina Guy · April 20, 2009, 05:55 PM

which is basically what a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with slugs is, heck if that's your reasoning, why not opt for a 45/70 and call it a day.

Chuckusaret · April 22, 2009, 09:42 AM

I have always heard this saying when there was talk about shot preference; Birdshot is for the birds, buckshot is for the bucks and slugs are for the thugs. I have my 12 ga loaded with BB followed by seven (7) rifled slugs.

Brian Pfleuger · April 22, 2009, 09:51 AM

Did any of you guys see the episode of The Best Defense wherein they tested wall penetration of various rounds?

I sticking with #7 birdshot, thank you very much. I can not foresee any human being withstanding a shot of ANYTHING from a shotgun at close (inside the home) range, never mind the 4 shells behind that first one.

**Mike Irwin** · April 22, 2009, 10:01 AM

Regarding wall penetration, even small buckshot will sail through drywall very handily.

I'm fortunate, though, that the dividing walls between my townhome and my neighbors are core filled cement block, so I don't have to worry about over penetration. And, the exterior shell is brick clad.

I'm also single, so I don't need to worry about interior overpenetration. As long as I know where my dog is, I have clear fire lanes for whatever load I choose to use, but I still choose No. 4 buckshot as my primary load out with a 5 rounds of S&B 00 buck in a buttstock carrier.

Lee Lapin · April 22, 2009, 10:09 AM

peet,

Give http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/...n/herdson.html a read...

lpl

James R. Burke · April 26, 2009, 11:27 AM

I would go with fine shot. Up close it is just like a slug, with a little distance you dont need to be super acccurate, and it wont penatrate a bunch of walls where people would be. When something happens fast people even well trained dont do very good at aiming and hitting. Then throw low light into it, and you have another problem. I dont think everyone would aggree with this just my thoughts on it.

keeijnoo · April 28, 2009, 08:08 PM

What distanse do we have in our home... 10-20 yard maximum? Or if you meet the intruder in the door? 2-3 yard? I would´t like to be the one who stands in the other end of your barrel, even if you use US:nr 9!

rantingredneck · April 28, 2009, 08:28 PM

Federal Flite Control 9 pellet 00 buckshot in the tube. Either 5, 6, or 7 rounds depending on which shotgun I happen to pick up.

Brenneke KO's in the sidesaddle.

Evyl Robot · April 29, 2009, 04:24 PM

Slugs = Massive overpenetration!!!

I know from experience that a 12-gauge slug will go right through cinder blocks and shatter them on the way. Brick external walls aren't going to stop slugs.

--Michael

hogdogs · April 29, 2009, 04:54 PM

While excessive pattern diameter is no substitute for a well placed shot... A load of buck shot that increases spread by only 2 inches once in a torso is more likely to hit a needed vital organ than a pass thru slug that misses them all. Heck even an increase of 1 inch is great once in the torso. Gotta cover all your bases. I only intend to be accurate enuff for a COM hit. I didn't say I could pick the organ in advance

Brent

inSight-NEO · April 29, 2009, 06:00 PM

I prefer Federal LE Tactical Low-Recoil 00 Buck for HD duty. If I'm feeling so inclined, I may keep a couple slug rounds in the Speedfeed stock. But, I generally only consider slugs if I anticipate the need to "reach out and touch" some BG from a good distance.

Of course, if "reaching out" was of major consideration (to me), I probably wouldnt have bothered spending money for a CQ weapon.

LordofWar · April 29, 2009, 06:22 PM

I'd use buckshots for HD.

Slug takes away the whole point of using a shotgun.

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April 19, 2009, 07:07 AM	#26
Dingoboyx Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2009 Location: South East Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,513	Maybe The first couple full of rock salt, then a couple of buckshot then a slug for good measure..... depending if the encounter needs to escalate to lethal. If it goes to lethal right away, pump out the first two (quickly) __________________ Muzza If you cant blind them with brilliance, Baffle them with BS Be alert...... there is a shortage of LERTs

April 19, 2009, 09:45 AM	#27
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	Buckshot, specifically No. 4 buckshot. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 19, 2009, 09:48 AM	#28
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	"The first couple full of rock salt, then a couple of buckshot then a slug for good measure..... depending if the encounter needs to escalate to lethal." The second a weapon comes out the encounter is automatically of the lethal variety. Rock salt shells make sense ONLY if you want to A) make believe that shooting someone with a shell so loaded constitutes non-lethal force, B) want to end up in jail, and C) want to give away everything you own when the person you shot sues you. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 19, 2009, 09:52 AM	#29
Dingoboyx Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2009 Location: South East Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,513	Mike, the rock salt thing...... That was actually a quite pathetic mundane attempt at humour __________________ Muzza If you cant blind them with brilliance, Baffle them with BS Be alert...... there is a shortage of LERTs

April 19, 2009, 10:00 AM	#31
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	I know it was, Dingo, but I just wanted to make sure everyone else knew that it's not a good idea at all. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 20, 2009, 06:07 AM	#32
m11/nine Junior Member Join Date: April 16, 2009 Posts: 4	Buck shot will go through the wall and into anyone in the other rooms so if overpenitration is a concern, and it should be if you live with anyone else in your house then go with a smaller shot. #4 is pleanty lethal and will not overpenitrate. Personally i dont like to go lighter then #4 but even #8 will take a guys head off under 10yards. It is also easier on the recoil which is good if your wife of kids have to use the gun. it wont blow them on their behind like 00 will.

April 20, 2009, 08:02 AM	#33
GetYerShells Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 118	+1 To using buckshot. Your chance of overpenetration is much greater with slugs. __________________ Sig P226 .40, Mossberg 500 Persuader, Springfield 1911 GI, M91/30

April 20, 2009, 05:49 PM	#34
PoorSoulInJersey Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2009 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 220	If you are defending against an invading T-800 and Skynet, go for the slug. For organic predators, stick with buckshot.

April 20, 2009, 05:55 PM	#35
Katrina Guy Junior member Join Date: July 2, 2006 Posts: 315	I still don't quite get the choice of a big bore rifle for home defense, which is basically what a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with slugs is, heck if that's your reasoning, why not opt for a 45/70 and call it a day.

April 22, 2009, 09:42 AM	#36
Chuckusaret Junior member Join Date: December 5, 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 708	I have always heard this saying when there was talk about shot preference; Birdshot is for the birds, buckshot is for the bucks and slugs are for the thugs. I have my 12 ga loaded with BB followed by seven (7) rifled slugs.

April 22, 2009, 09:51 AM	#37
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Did any of you guys see the episode of The Best Defense wherein they tested wall penetration of various rounds? I sticking with #7 birdshot, thank you very much. I can not foresee any human being withstanding a shot of ANYTHING from a shotgun at close (inside the home) range, never mind the 4 shells behind that first one. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

April 22, 2009, 10:01 AM	#38
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	Regarding wall penetration, even small buckshot will sail through drywall very handily. I'm fortunate, though, that the dividing walls between my townhome and my neighbors are core filled cement block, so I don't have to worry about over penetration. And, the exterior shell is brick clad. I'm also single, so I don't need to worry about interior overpenetration. As long as I know where my dog is, I have clear fire lanes for whatever load I choose to use, but I still choose No. 4 buckshot as my primary load out with a 5 rounds of S&B 00 buck in a buttstock carrier. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 22, 2009, 10:09 AM	#39
Lee Lapin Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2004 Location: SE NC Posts: 1,239	peet, Give http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/...n/herdson.html a read... lpl

April 26, 2009, 11:27 AM	#40
James R. Burke Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2009 Location: U.P. of Mich/Quinnesec Posts: 1,897	I would go with fine shot. Up close it is just like a slug, with a little distance you dont need to be super acccurate, and it wont penatrate a bunch of walls where people would be. When something happens fast people even well trained dont do very good at aiming and hitting. Then throw low light into it, and you have another problem. I dont think everyone would aggree with this just my thoughts on it.

April 28, 2009, 08:08 PM	#41
keeijnoo Junior Member Join Date: April 28, 2009 Posts: 1	What distanse do we have in our home... 10-20 yard maximum? Or if you meet the intruder in the door? 2-3 yard? I would´t like to be the one who stands in the other end of your barrel, even if you use US:nr 9!

April 28, 2009, 08:28 PM	#42
rantingredneck Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,728	Federal Flite Control 9 pellet 00 buckshot in the tube. Either 5, 6, or 7 rounds depending on which shotgun I happen to pick up. Brenneke KO's in the sidesaddle. __________________ NRA Member NC Hunter's Education Instructor PCCA Member (What's PCCA you ask? <- Check the link)

April 29, 2009, 04:24 PM	#43
Evyl Robot Senior Member Join Date: July 11, 2008 Location: OOOOOOOOOOO-Klahoma! Posts: 403	Slugs = Massive overpenetration!!! I know from experience that a 12-gauge slug will go right through cinder blocks and shatter them on the way. Brick external walls aren't going to stop slugs. --Michael __________________ The New and Improved Place Where I Rant: Michael's Soapbox My full-custom holster website: TheHolsterSite.com

April 29, 2009, 04:54 PM	#44
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	While excessive pattern diameter is no substitute for a well placed shot... A load of buck shot that increases spread by only 2 inches once in a torso is more likely to hit a needed vital organ than a pass thru slug that misses them all. Heck even an increase of 1 inch is great once in the torso. Gotta cover all your bases. I only intend to be accurate enuff for a COM hit. I didn't say I could pick the organ in advance Brent

April 29, 2009, 06:00 PM	#45
inSight-NEO Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2008 Posts: 608	I prefer Federal LE Tactical Low-Recoil 00 Buck for HD duty. If I'm feeling so inclined, I *may* keep a couple slug rounds in the Speedfeed stock. But, I generally only consider slugs if I anticipate the need to "reach out and touch" some BG from a good distance. Of course, if "reaching out" was of major consideration (to me), I probably wouldnt have bothered spending money for a CQ weapon. __________________ Guns are similar, for instance, to automobiles; in the hands of the sane and responsible, they are generally harmless. In the hands of the insane, careless or malicious, they both become deadly. Blame the person, not the means....mechanical/inanimate objects have no mind of their own. Last edited by inSight-NEO; April 29, 2009 at 07:41 PM.

April 29, 2009, 06:22 PM	#46
LordofWar Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2009 Location: Pakistan Posts: 646	I'd use buckshots for HD. Slug takes away the whole point of using a shotgun.