home defence

roadrocket · July 7, 2009, 12:16 PM

hi as a point of interest i just wondered how many forum members have actually had to use their home defence weapons in anger?

Yodwinder · July 7, 2009, 12:26 PM

are you asking if we've gotten mad and then grabbed our guns and shot someone?

greyson97 · July 7, 2009, 12:27 PM

what are you? some sort of cop or something?

roadrocket · July 7, 2009, 12:34 PM

i am not a cop just curious to how many people have had cause to use their home defence weapon that is all i am asking.

hogdogs · July 7, 2009, 01:12 PM

To ask if anyone has used their shotgun for self defense or home defense is more accurate unless you want to know if anyone has actually committed an aggravated felony crime.
As for me I use my guns for HD every single moment someone is home. Drawn and fired? NOPE. Drawn not fired? YES.
Brent

Evyl Robot · July 7, 2009, 01:15 PM

Anger leads to the dark side of the force.

Oldster · July 7, 2009, 02:02 PM

Yes, there is a big difference between using a firearm in anger, and using it in defense of one's family. Like Hogdogs if i'm home my firearms are on duty for defense of my home and those in it. As for using it, fortunately no. Taking a life isn't like what they show in the movies, the person is real, and doesn't get back up to share a cup of coffee with the film crew. Even if they so rightly deserve what they get, taking a life has a tendancy to haunt you.

stargazer65 · July 7, 2009, 02:15 PM

If I had to use my gun in self defense it would most likely not be anger I felt, but rather fear. Fear that my life or someone elses was in danger.

greyson97 · July 7, 2009, 02:19 PM

actually, you're right. I'd be angry id be shooting the BG with a $3 home defense load. and angry i'm gonna have to repair the door he kicked in, and angry i have to clean his blood off my floor, and angry I have to fill out a police report. probabbly angry he interrupted my videogame session or something.

Yeah, I could see how I'd be angry.

Oldster · July 7, 2009, 02:25 PM

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actually, you're right. I'd be angry id be shooting the BG with a $3 home defense load. and angry i'm gonna have to repair the door he kicked in, and angry i have to clean his blood off my floor, and angry I have to fill out a police report. probabbly angry he interrupted my videogame session or something.

I lol'd in RL, heh.

Dave_Shotgun · July 7, 2009, 09:40 PM

I'll be getting a shotgun for home defense pretty soon too, but I really hope that I don't have to use it. Just helps me sleep better at night knowing that it's there.

VA9mm · July 7, 2009, 10:17 PM

Never have and hope I never will.

Roadrocket aren't you the turnip guy? Yes I still use 00 Tactical Buck lol

roadrocket · July 8, 2009, 05:41 AM

yes I am the turnip guy
I think my phraseology didn't travel well across the pond ie 'used in anger'

Here in Ireland when we say 'used in anger' we mean compelled to use because you have no other option.
It does not mean a person is angry.
Hope this explains it

stargazer65 · July 8, 2009, 06:15 AM

Turnip guy?

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Here in Ireland when we say 'used in anger' we mean compelled to use because you have no other option.
It does not mean a person is angry.

That, I understand now. Hopefully, I never will have to use it.

VA9mm · July 8, 2009, 06:23 AM

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Turnip guy?

Check his previous posts. He shot a large turnip with 7.5 shot on a video.

RetiredLawman · July 8, 2009, 09:57 AM

I am a retired cop. Most of the defense shootings I have been called to were shot with bird shot. I'll have to anger some folks by saying this but, by golly, they don't walk away from a load of bird shot. They may recover but they will be in a world of hurt. I also have never known a lawsuit over a defense shooting in my area. I have never known of a homeowner to be charged in a defense shooting unless there had been a fight elsewhere and the party came to settle it at the guy's house.

If you don't have "dirty hands", you are usually safe from a lawsuit if you have to defend your home.

For my personal benefit, I have a 20 gauge pump loaded with Walmart specials, #6 shot. I hope I never need to use it but I have every confidence that the bad guy will be the loser.

stargazer65 · July 8, 2009, 11:33 AM

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Check his previous posts. He shot a large turnip with 7.5 shot on a video.

Missed that one.

I'm not real crazy about turnips myself, but I've never shot one in anger. Now a radish:barf:...maybe.

SamStafford · July 8, 2009, 11:59 AM

I have never pulled a shot gun on any person...I hope I never have to. If some one came into my house uninvited, they will see the business end of one of my Mossy 500 12ga. I have a wife and 5 year old son...I pity the fool that would break into my house.

ThomasT · July 8, 2009, 05:39 PM

RetiredLawman thanks for your post. My uncle was a Ft Worth policeman and then a homicide detective before he went to the Tarrent Co DAs office as an investigator.

You can believe it when I tell you I grilled him about bullets and guns and what worked on shootings. He saw several people shot with #4 and #6 shot. He said it worked very well. Most folks just didn't survive being shot with these loads at across the room distances. I have been flamed before for posting this. Its good to see someone else with real experience say the same thing.

Dave McC · July 8, 2009, 07:25 PM

Deployed one in Ca, back in the 70s. No shots fired.

July 7, 2009, 12:16 PM	#1
roadrocket Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Posts: 72	home defence hi as a point of interest i just wondered how many forum members have actually had to use their home defence weapons in anger?

July 7, 2009, 02:02 PM	#7
Oldster Member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 32	Yes, there is a big difference between using a firearm in anger, and using it in defense of one's family. Like Hogdogs if i'm home my firearms are on duty for defense of my home and those in it. As for using it, fortunately no. Taking a life isn't like what they show in the movies, the person is real, and doesn't get back up to share a cup of coffee with the film crew. Even if they so rightly deserve what they get, taking a life has a tendancy to haunt you. __________________ "Good...bad...i'm the guy with the gun."- Ash Wells "The nine millimeter is for killing europeans, for truely dangerous people you need a .45."- Jeff Cooper "George Washington did not use his right to free speech to defeat the British, he shot them."

July 7, 2009, 02:15 PM	#8
stargazer65 Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2009 Location: Connecticut Posts: 761	If I had to use my gun in self defense it would most likely not be anger I felt, but rather fear. Fear that my life or someone elses was in danger. __________________ "I assert that nothing ever comes to pass without a cause." Jonathan Edwards

July 7, 2009, 10:17 PM	#12
VA9mm Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2007 Location: N. VA Posts: 254	Never have and hope I never will. Roadrocket aren't you the turnip guy? Yes I still use 00 Tactical Buck lol __________________ “The key is to hit them hard, hit them fast, and hit them repeatedly. The one shot stop is a unit of measurement not a tactical philosophy.” Evan Marshall

July 8, 2009, 05:41 AM	#13
roadrocket Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Posts: 72	home defence yes I am the turnip guy I think my phraseology didn't travel well across the pond ie 'used in anger' Here in Ireland when we say 'used in anger' we mean compelled to use because you have no other option. It does not mean a person is angry. Hope this explains it

July 7, 2009, 12:26 PM	#2
Yodwinder Member Join Date: April 3, 2009 Posts: 36	are you asking if we've gotten mad and then grabbed our guns and shot someone?

July 7, 2009, 12:27 PM	#3
greyson97 Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,284	what are you? some sort of cop or something?

July 7, 2009, 12:34 PM	#4
roadrocket Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Posts: 72	home defence i am not a cop just curious to how many people have had cause to use their home defence weapon that is all i am asking.

July 7, 2009, 01:12 PM	#5
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	To ask if anyone has used their shotgun for self defense or home defense is more accurate unless you want to know if anyone has actually committed an aggravated felony crime. As for me I use my guns for HD every single moment someone is home. Drawn and fired? NOPE. Drawn not fired? YES. Brent

July 7, 2009, 01:15 PM	#6
Evyl Robot Senior Member Join Date: July 11, 2008 Location: OOOOOOOOOOO-Klahoma! Posts: 403	Anger leads to the dark side of the force. __________________ The New and Improved Place Where I Rant: Michael's Soapbox My full-custom holster website: TheHolsterSite.com

July 7, 2009, 02:19 PM	#9
greyson97 Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,284	actually, you're right. I'd be angry id be shooting the BG with a $3 home defense load. and angry i'm gonna have to repair the door he kicked in, and angry i have to clean his blood off my floor, and angry I have to fill out a police report. probabbly angry he interrupted my videogame session or something. Yeah, I could see how I'd be angry.

July 7, 2009, 09:40 PM	#11
Dave_Shotgun Member Join Date: April 4, 2009 Location: Ontario Posts: 32	I'll be getting a shotgun for home defense pretty soon too, but I really hope that I don't have to use it. Just helps me sleep better at night knowing that it's there.

July 8, 2009, 09:57 AM	#16
RetiredLawman Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2008 Posts: 133	I am a retired cop. Most of the defense shootings I have been called to were shot with bird shot. I'll have to anger some folks by saying this but, by golly, they don't walk away from a load of bird shot. They may recover but they will be in a world of hurt. I also have never known a lawsuit over a defense shooting in my area. I have never known of a homeowner to be charged in a defense shooting unless there had been a fight elsewhere and the party came to settle it at the guy's house. If you don't have "dirty hands", you are usually safe from a lawsuit if you have to defend your home. For my personal benefit, I have a 20 gauge pump loaded with Walmart specials, #6 shot. I hope I never need to use it but I have every confidence that the bad guy will be the loser.

July 8, 2009, 11:59 AM	#18
SamStafford Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2009 Location: Portageville, MO. 63873 Posts: 162	I have never pulled a shot gun on any person...I hope I never have to. If some one came into my house uninvited, they will see the business end of one of my Mossy 500 12ga. I have a wife and 5 year old son...I pity the fool that would break into my house.

July 8, 2009, 05:39 PM	#19
ThomasT Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 2,753	RetiredLawman thanks for your post. My uncle was a Ft Worth policeman and then a homicide detective before he went to the Tarrent Co DAs office as an investigator. You can believe it when I tell you I grilled him about bullets and guns and what worked on shootings. He saw several people shot with #4 and #6 shot. He said it worked very well. Most folks just didn't survive being shot with these loads at across the room distances. I have been flamed before for posting this. Its good to see someone else with real experience say the same thing.

July 8, 2009, 07:25 PM	#20
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Deployed one in Ca, back in the 70s. No shots fired.