What Competition Rugers Look Like

kwhi43 · August 27, 2011, 12:38 PM

In National comeptition at Friendship Ind, here is what a lot of the guys are
shooting. Most if not all are .36's.

robhof · August 27, 2011, 04:41 PM

With ROA's no longer in production, that almost seems like a sacriledge, but a well done one.

ZVP · August 27, 2011, 05:12 PM

What are the reasons for the short cylinder? I can see the sight mod and maybe the nipple mods would help but it all seems like a whole lot of work! JMHO
ZVP

kwhi43 · August 27, 2011, 05:14 PM

Weight

Ideal Tool · August 27, 2011, 10:19 PM

Hello, While it is true, shortining the cyl. would reduce weight..I wonder if it is because they are using very light loads..more accurate & less recoil, & shortining cyl. does away with the need for fillers to take up extra space?

American Eagle · August 27, 2011, 11:23 PM

Wow....that is a shocking picture.

You would think cowboy action competitions would like to stick with revolvers that are as close as possible to the originals. This one looks like a Frankenstein revolver

Ideal Tool · August 28, 2011, 12:46 AM

If you think that looks bad...The British were doing this with their big .455 Webleys..converting them to .22 rimfire!

**4V50 Gary** · August 28, 2011, 02:11 AM

Ideal Tool is right about Webley Conversions. They also had a small run of dedicated 22 built on the big frame.

Bill Akins · August 28, 2011, 05:20 AM

Thanks for posting that picture. I liked that pic so much that I modified it to my own design. Some of you fellas think that first one was a Frankenstein revolver, wait til you see my photoshopped semi-auto concept of it.

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Don't want to hijack this thread so I explained it in detail at this other thread...

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...94#post4718294

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Hawg · August 28, 2011, 06:00 AM

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You would think cowboy action competitions would like to stick with revolvers that are as close as possible to the originals. This one looks like a Frankenstein revolver

That wouldn't be CAS legal. Kinda makes me glad I don't shoot competition.

mykeal · August 28, 2011, 06:46 AM

And Phil wasn't talking about CAS. He's talking about the NMLRA National Championships at Friendship, IN, where accuracy is the goal, not speed. They don't shoot very light loads there, they tune their loads and guns to get the most accurate combination. They shoot 'duelist', so weight can be an issue.

kwhi43 · August 28, 2011, 07:35 AM

Thank you. That is correct. I'm having my Pietta done like that. Will be
talking to the guy in two weeks at Friendship about it. You going to be there
Mykeal??

B.L.E. · August 28, 2011, 09:51 AM

Put up a NRA B-8 pistol target at 25 yards and shoot 10 shots at it one handed (duelist). If you can shoot scores in the mid to upper 90's, you are ready to for the NMLRA pistol matches in Friendship.

The NMLRA uses a different scoring convention than the NRA does in its bullseye pistol matches. By NRA rules, if the bullet hole touches a scoring ring, it counts as in the ring. By NMLRA rules, the center of the bullet hole must touch the scoring ring to count as being in.

We have a local guy who converts Piettas into 36 caliber target pistols using 9 mm barrels and sleeved down cylinders and a whole bunch of lock and trigger tuning.

B.L.E. · August 28, 2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by robhof

With ROA's no longer in production, that almost seems like a sacriledge, but a well done one.

It's not like the original barrel and cylinder were destroyed to make this gun. This gun could probably be converted back to stock by putting the original barrel and cylinder back on, though it would be hard to un-drill those lightening holes in the hammer.
I predict it will be a long time before these revolvers become valuable collector's items, even longer if every revolver ever built is preserved forever.

kwhi43 · August 28, 2011, 10:17 AM

BLE, Are you in Ohio? That wouldn't be Rob would it? He did my revolver.
By the way I won the 25 yd match at Friendship in June with a 98 XXXX

B.L.E. · August 28, 2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

BLE, Are you in Ohio? That wouldn't be Rob would it? He did my revolver.
By the way I won the 25 yd match at Friendship in June with a 98 XXXX

No, I live near Austin, TX and I compete mostly in TMLRA matches held three times a year in Brady TX. It's about a 110 mile drive for me. The fellow doing the Prietta conversions is Ed who lives near Fredericksburg, TX.
I would come to Friendship if it wasn't on the other end of the country and if the shoot dates didn't nearly stack on top of the TMLRA shoot dates.

My main thing is ML trap and the farthest match I travel to is the Red River Renegades annual shotgun soiree way up north in Electra, TX, almost on the Oklahoma border where I get to meet a lot of the Friendship crowd.
I only get a certain amount of vacation days a year and if I included the Friendship events, I would have to give up something else that I love to do, such as the week of skiing in New Mexico every winter.

**4V50 Gary** · August 28, 2011, 11:56 AM

Bill,

Will your Frankengun have a selector switch for full-automatic fire?

Gary

Bill Akins · August 28, 2011, 03:27 PM

I know you're joking Gary

. But seriously, it's mechanically possible but too short a burst time on only a six shooter. That one should probably remain a semi-auto.

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g.willikers · August 28, 2011, 04:53 PM

And here I was thinking that BP guns were a step back in time, to a simpler era.

American Eagle · August 28, 2011, 05:27 PM

I can't wait to see Bill Akins' black powder automatic design, but at the same time, the anticipation is mixed with a little bit of dread about the monster of a gun that will come out of his workshop....kind of like the Frankenstein story I guess.

mykeal · August 28, 2011, 10:33 PM

Phil - alas I will probably miss this meeting also. We're having a bit of a financial crisis in the local sportsman's club and I've signed up to man the range those weekends. If I can press a replacement into duty I'll be there but I probably won't know that much in advance.

Finally got my paws on a flintlock pistol a couple weeks ago and was hoping to shoot the flintlock-percussion-revolver aggregate this time. Doesn't look good, though.

Next year in June for sure.

Lee McNelly · August 29, 2011, 06:53 AM

like a crayon drawing over the Mona Lisa

kadima · August 29, 2011, 10:31 AM

Just one word comes to mind: STEAMPUNK!

August 27, 2011, 12:38 PM	#1
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	What Competition Rugers Look Like In National comeptition at Friendship Ind, here is what a lot of the guys are shooting. Most if not all are .36's.

August 27, 2011, 11:23 PM	#6
American Eagle Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2009 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 265	Wow....that is a shocking picture. You would think cowboy action competitions would like to stick with revolvers that are as close as possible to the originals. This one looks like a Frankenstein revolver __________________ I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. ----THOMAS JEFFERSON

August 28, 2011, 02:11 AM	#8
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,838	Ideal Tool is right about Webley Conversions. They also had a small run of dedicated 22 built on the big frame. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

August 28, 2011, 05:20 AM	#9
Bill Akins Senior Member Join Date: August 28, 2007 Location: Hudson, Florida Posts: 1,135	Thanks for posting that picture. I liked that pic so much that I modified it to my own design. Some of you fellas think that first one was a Frankenstein revolver, wait til you see my photoshopped semi-auto concept of it. . Don't want to hijack this thread so I explained it in detail at this other thread... http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...94#post4718294 . __________________ "This is my Remy and this is my Colt. Remy loads easy and topstrap strong, Colt balances better and never feels wrong. A repro black powder revolver gun, they smoke and shoot lead and give me much fun. I can't figure out which one I like better, they're both fine revolvers that fit in my leather". "To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target". Last edited by Bill Akins; August 28, 2011 at 06:04 PM.

August 28, 2011, 11:56 AM	#17
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,838	Bill, Will your Frankengun have a selector switch for full-automatic fire? Gary __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

August 27, 2011, 04:41 PM	#2
robhof Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2007 Posts: 712	robhof With ROA's no longer in production, that almost seems like a sacriledge, but a well done one.

August 27, 2011, 05:12 PM	#3
ZVP Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2009 Posts: 1,102	What are the reasons for the short cylinder? I can see the sight mod and maybe the nipple mods would help but it all seems like a whole lot of work! JMHO ZVP

August 27, 2011, 05:14 PM	#4
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	Weight

August 27, 2011, 10:19 PM	#5
Ideal Tool Junior member Join Date: October 6, 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,080	Hello, While it is true, shortining the cyl. would reduce weight..I wonder if it is because they are using very light loads..more accurate & less recoil, & shortining cyl. does away with the need for fillers to take up extra space?

August 28, 2011, 12:46 AM	#7
Ideal Tool Junior member Join Date: October 6, 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,080	If you think that looks bad...The British were doing this with their big .455 Webleys..converting them to .22 rimfire!

August 28, 2011, 06:46 AM	#11
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	And Phil wasn't talking about CAS. He's talking about the NMLRA National Championships at Friendship, IN, where accuracy is the goal, not speed. They don't shoot very light loads there, they tune their loads and guns to get the most accurate combination. They shoot 'duelist', so weight can be an issue.

August 28, 2011, 07:35 AM	#12
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	Thank you. That is correct. I'm having my Pietta done like that. Will be talking to the guy in two weeks at Friendship about it. You going to be there Mykeal??

August 28, 2011, 09:51 AM	#13
B.L.E. Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2008 Location: Somewhere on the Southern shore of Lake Travis, TX Posts: 2,603	Put up a NRA B-8 pistol target at 25 yards and shoot 10 shots at it one handed (duelist). If you can shoot scores in the mid to upper 90's, you are ready to for the NMLRA pistol matches in Friendship. The NMLRA uses a different scoring convention than the NRA does in its bullseye pistol matches. By NRA rules, if the bullet hole touches a scoring ring, it counts as in the ring. By NMLRA rules, the center of the bullet hole must touch the scoring ring to count as being in. We have a local guy who converts Piettas into 36 caliber target pistols using 9 mm barrels and sleeved down cylinders and a whole bunch of lock and trigger tuning.

August 28, 2011, 10:17 AM	#15
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	BLE, Are you in Ohio? That wouldn't be Rob would it? He did my revolver. By the way I won the 25 yd match at Friendship in June with a 98 XXXX

August 28, 2011, 03:27 PM	#18
Bill Akins Senior Member Join Date: August 28, 2007 Location: Hudson, Florida Posts: 1,135	I know you're joking Gary . But seriously, it's mechanically possible but too short a burst time on only a six shooter. That one should probably remain a semi-auto. . __________________ "This is my Remy and this is my Colt. Remy loads easy and topstrap strong, Colt balances better and never feels wrong. A repro black powder revolver gun, they smoke and shoot lead and give me much fun. I can't figure out which one I like better, they're both fine revolvers that fit in my leather". "To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target". Last edited by Bill Akins; August 28, 2011 at 03:34 PM.

August 28, 2011, 04:53 PM	#19
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	And here I was thinking that BP guns were a step back in time, to a simpler era. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

August 28, 2011, 05:27 PM	#20
American Eagle Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2009 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 265	I can't wait to see Bill Akins' black powder automatic design, but at the same time, the anticipation is mixed with a little bit of dread about the monster of a gun that will come out of his workshop....kind of like the Frankenstein story I guess. __________________ I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. ----THOMAS JEFFERSON

August 28, 2011, 10:33 PM	#21
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	Phil - alas I will probably miss this meeting also. We're having a bit of a financial crisis in the local sportsman's club and I've signed up to man the range those weekends. If I can press a replacement into duty I'll be there but I probably won't know that much in advance. Finally got my paws on a flintlock pistol a couple weeks ago and was hoping to shoot the flintlock-percussion-revolver aggregate this time. Doesn't look good, though. Next year in June for sure.

August 29, 2011, 06:53 AM	#22
Lee McNelly Junior member Join Date: June 9, 2011 Posts: 325	ugly like a crayon drawing over the Mona Lisa

August 29, 2011, 10:31 AM	#23
kadima Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Posts: 190	Just one word comes to mind: STEAMPUNK!