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Bmar · June 23, 2013, 12:22 PM

Cast 125 gr. bullets loaded with clays and wsf to lee's manual Do not exceed loads and will not cycle Beretta 92 fs.
OAL is 1.150 to 1.151 with a light crimp. Any ideas please help.

Lost Sheep · June 23, 2013, 03:00 PM

Welcome to the forum. Thanks for asking our advice. Sorry for your troubles.

Your Beretta is operated by the recoil energy generated when you fire the gun. A lighter recoil spring might be in order, but that would be the LAST thing to try.

Clean the slide and frame rails where they move against one another. Lubricate as the owner's manual specifies (some guns like to "run dry", relatively and some work better with more lubrication). See if that helps.

Hold the gun more firmly. If the gun is free to move rearward at the time of firing, it will, and absorb some of the recoil's movement.

If you can get use of a chronograph, it might be helpful to know the velocity of these bullets. Just in case your loads are lighter than you think.

Good luck

Lost Sheep

dahermit · June 23, 2013, 03:11 PM

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...will not cycle Beretta 92 fs...

Specifically, what seems to happen? Does the slide go partially to the rear but returns to battery with the empty still in the chamber? Or, the empty does not eject but catches on the side of the chamber? You have to be very specific.

Shootest · June 23, 2013, 03:57 PM

Exactly what is your load? Lee does not do any of the testing, they just reprint others test results. Did you check your load with another resource?

Bmar · June 23, 2013, 05:12 PM

Thanks for the help. Started with clays went to 3.4 grains then went to WSF 4.8 grains Measure both slide comes back cocks the hammer but does not eject. Gun is brand-new ran 50 rounds of Manufactured ammo shoots like a dream

Bmar · June 23, 2013, 05:16 PM

I quess what I want to know is if pressure for the same weight jacketed is 32500 why is max 30900 for cast.

tahunua001 · June 23, 2013, 05:18 PM

does not eject as in it leaves the casings in the chamber or it just can't throw them clear of the slide? if they are stuck in the chamber then you are loading too hot. any other FTE I would suggest trying factory ammo before blaming it on the reloads.

Bmar · June 23, 2013, 05:53 PM

Case stays in chamber

Jeff2131 · June 23, 2013, 06:37 PM

Take the gun apart, clean it, inspect it, and try again. Maybe ejector isnt grabbing the case, maybe you powder charge is too heavy and is expanding the case too much, maybe youre not belling out the case before seating the bullet, could be alot of things, start with your gun, then move to your reloads, take your time and make sure.youre not cutting corners.

steve4102 · June 23, 2013, 07:27 PM

Your Loads are To Weak.

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Started with clays went to 3.4 grain

Hodgdon data lists 3.5gr as Minimum for 125gr and Clays.

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then went to WSF 4.8 grains

Hodgdon lists 4.7gr as Minimum.

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

Bump the charge up to at least mid range loads according to Hodgdon.

tahunua001 · June 23, 2013, 09:28 PM

ok so according to steve OP is right at the lower threshhold of his loads but the casings are getting stuck in the chamber so it can't be an issue with loading too hot. I would say you probably have an extractor issue, try factory loads and see if those FTE as well.

steve4102 · June 23, 2013, 10:56 PM

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ok so according to steve OP is right at the lower threshhold of his loads but the casings are getting stuck in the chamber so it can't be an issue with loading too hot. I would say you probably have an extractor issue, try factory loads and see if those FTE as well.

They are NOT sticking in the chamber.

From the OP.

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Measure both slide comes back cocks the hammer but does not eject. Gun is brand-new ran 50 rounds of Manufactured ammo shoots like a dream

Weak loads to be sure. Factory shoots fine.

To the OP, get a good manual and check out the powder manufacturer's web sites. Your load is way to weak to cycle the action of that brand new pistol.

Bmar · June 24, 2013, 05:55 AM

Thanks guys appreciate the help

tahunua001 · June 24, 2013, 09:27 AM

Steve, also straight from the OP

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Case stays in chamber

post number 8.

I'm trying to help, not enter a Peeing match. good luck in solving the issue.

steve4102 · June 24, 2013, 09:53 AM

I believe he means that the round stays in the chamber and the slide stays closed. As if the round is so weak that the side comes back, but not enough to slip over the mag and capture a new round and closes chambering the fire case.

He says factory run fine.

Paul B. · June 24, 2013, 03:04 PM

"I quess what I want to know is if pressure for the same weight jacketed is 32500 why is max 30900 for cast."

I think I can answer that one. Friction. A jacketed bullet will give more friction due to the hardness of the bullet's jacket. A cast lead buller, regardless of how hard the allow will give less friction to the barrel. So, lets say you're shooting a 125 gr. jacketed bullet and a 125 gr. cast bullet over 5.0 gr. of powder X. The jaketes load will give higher pressure due to the increased friction of the bullet's jacket.
Paul B.

June 23, 2013, 12:22 PM	#1
Bmar Junior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Posts: 5	Dumb newbie Cast 125 gr. bullets loaded with clays and wsf to lee's manual Do not exceed loads and will not cycle Beretta 92 fs. OAL is 1.150 to 1.151 with a light crimp. Any ideas please help.

June 23, 2013, 03:00 PM	#2
Lost Sheep Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2009 Location: Anchorage Alaska Posts: 3,341	Welcome to the forum. Thanks for asking our advice. Sorry for your troubles. Your Beretta is operated by the recoil energy generated when you fire the gun. A lighter recoil spring might be in order, but that would be the LAST thing to try. Clean the slide and frame rails where they move against one another. Lubricate as the owner's manual specifies (some guns like to "run dry", relatively and some work better with more lubrication). See if that helps. Hold the gun more firmly. If the gun is free to move rearward at the time of firing, it will, and absorb some of the recoil's movement. If you can get use of a chronograph, it might be helpful to know the velocity of these bullets. Just in case your loads are lighter than you think. Good luck Lost Sheep Last edited by Lost Sheep; June 23, 2013 at 05:01 PM.

June 23, 2013, 03:57 PM	#4
Shootest Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: Just outside Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 722	Exactly what is your load? Lee does not do any of the testing, they just reprint others test results. Did you check your load with another resource? __________________ The private ownership of firearms is an American Heritage. Anyone who disputes that is Anti-American and unpatriotic. NRA Life Member

June 23, 2013, 05:12 PM	#5
Bmar Junior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Posts: 5	Dumb newbie Thanks for the help. Started with clays went to 3.4 grains then went to WSF 4.8 grains Measure both slide comes back cocks the hammer but does not eject. Gun is brand-new ran 50 rounds of Manufactured ammo shoots like a dream

June 23, 2013, 05:16 PM	#6
Bmar Junior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Posts: 5	Dumb newbie I quess what I want to know is if pressure for the same weight jacketed is 32500 why is max 30900 for cast.

June 23, 2013, 05:18 PM	#7
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	does not eject as in it leaves the casings in the chamber or it just can't throw them clear of the slide? if they are stuck in the chamber then you are loading too hot. any other FTE I would suggest trying factory ammo before blaming it on the reloads. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

June 23, 2013, 05:53 PM	#8
Bmar Junior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Posts: 5	Dumb newbie Case stays in chamber

June 23, 2013, 06:37 PM	#9
Jeff2131 Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2012 Location: Spring City, PA Posts: 497	Take the gun apart, clean it, inspect it, and try again. Maybe ejector isnt grabbing the case, maybe you powder charge is too heavy and is expanding the case too much, maybe youre not belling out the case before seating the bullet, could be alot of things, start with your gun, then move to your reloads, take your time and make sure.youre not cutting corners.

June 23, 2013, 09:28 PM	#11
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	ok so according to steve OP is right at the lower threshhold of his loads but the casings are getting stuck in the chamber so it can't be an issue with loading too hot. I would say you probably have an extractor issue, try factory loads and see if those FTE as well. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

June 24, 2013, 05:55 AM	#13
Bmar Junior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Posts: 5	Dumb newbie Thanks guys appreciate the help

June 24, 2013, 09:53 AM	#15
steve4102 Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,955	I believe he means that the round stays in the chamber and the slide stays closed. As if the round is so weak that the side comes back, but not enough to slip over the mag and capture a new round and closes chambering the fire case. He says factory run fine.

June 24, 2013, 03:04 PM	#16
Paul B. Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 1999 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,802	"I quess what I want to know is if pressure for the same weight jacketed is 32500 why is max 30900 for cast." I think I can answer that one. Friction. A jacketed bullet will give more friction due to the hardness of the bullet's jacket. A cast lead buller, regardless of how hard the allow will give less friction to the barrel. So, lets say you're shooting a 125 gr. jacketed bullet and a 125 gr. cast bullet over 5.0 gr. of powder X. The jaketes load will give higher pressure due to the increased friction of the bullet's jacket. Paul B. __________________ COMPROMISE IS NOT AN OPTION!