Companies that do NOT make a 1911

TennJed · September 26, 2012, 12:37 AM

A 1911 thread with a twist. Now that Ruger has joined the ranks of the 1911 makers, what major semi auto makers do not make a 1911 (or at least put their name on one). Also which of those companies do you want to see make one and which do you think would have the most sucess based on name only. So far I have:

Beretta
Walther
glock
HK
FN

LockedBreech · September 26, 2012, 12:49 AM

I can't see any company you listed making a good 1911. Not their style.

Stoeger
Caracal
Steyr
Bersa
Browning (ironically)
CZ
Hi-Point (Hah!)

BarryLee · September 26, 2012, 12:53 AM

Browning

TennJed · September 26, 2012, 12:58 AM

I do believe browning makes a 1911

They have a scaled down .22lr that is easy to find. They also offer a 45acp that (as far as I know) is offered as part of a set with the .22lr. I have not seen one in person, but are told they do exist

http://www.browning.com/products/cat...1&tid=800&bg=x

LockedBreech · September 26, 2012, 01:02 AM

Holy cow, TennJed, what a find! Expensive but I'd kill for that set.

TennJed · September 26, 2012, 01:07 AM

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Holy cow, TennJed, what a find! Expensive but I'd kill for that set

Here is one for sale for $4,669.00. (that is about 4 grand out of my league)

http://www.gunsamerica.com/934735540...Pistols_Ne.htm

Edit to add, here is one for ONLY $3,795

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=294950616

egor20 · September 26, 2012, 01:17 AM

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I do believe browning makes a 1911

Without a doubt one of the reason's I enjoy this forum so much, tidbits like this and other things I learn every day.

Bravo Tennjed.

chris in va · September 26, 2012, 01:19 AM

IIRC CZ aquired the Dan Wesson brand, which includes the 1911 platform.

sigcurious · September 26, 2012, 01:31 AM

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I can't see any company you listed making a good 1911. Not their style.

You don't think FN could make a good 1911? They don't seem to have problems making hipowers.

sigcurious · September 26, 2012, 01:48 AM

Thought of another brand that doesn't make a 1911, keltec. I do not think however that people would be running out to buy keltec 1911s.

LockedBreech · September 26, 2012, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sigcurious

You don't think FN could make a good 1911? They don't seem to have problems making hipowers.

Fair enough! I was just thinking of the FiveseveN for some reason.

Palmetto-Pride · September 26, 2012, 02:48 AM

Does it seem odd that Browning doesn't sell a 1911 45 by its self. And at those prices I don't think they really want sell them at all. I wonder if that was a special run they had another company do at there specs for them.

Lead shooter · September 26, 2012, 04:44 AM

Who makes the the 1911 for Browning? Since Browning is a gun marketing firm whose pistols are typically made by FN, FN could actually be making 1911's.

IMTHDUKE · September 26, 2012, 09:31 AM

If I owned those Brownings...you could not fire them...or the first shot cost you around $1000....so they are gun jewerly.

EdInk · September 26, 2012, 10:40 AM

I'm not sure if the Browning .22 1911s are actual 1911s, they may just look like 1911s and function like other .22 pistols that simply look like 1911s. (e.g. ATI 1911 .22lr pistol.)

In regards to the OP's question, I don't recall any large handgun manufacturers, not already listed, that don't make a 1911.

MLeake · September 26, 2012, 10:47 AM

Honda.

They don't make guns, but then at one time they did not make personal watercraft or airplanes.

Everything they make has good quality control and product support.

RickB · September 26, 2012, 10:55 AM

John Deere
Harley Davidson
Kenworth
Maybe next year?

BlueTrain · September 26, 2012, 11:00 AM

Colt does not make a pistol they call the 1911.

TheRaskalKing · September 26, 2012, 11:01 AM

+1.

This is an interesting topic. Initially, when I thought about this I was kind of bummed- "Why doesn't HK/FN/Beretta make a 1911? They make great guns otherwise...?

Then I remembered this: http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=20180

This was for April fools day from this year... Glock making a 1911 just seems bizarre, right? Or maybe it doesn't, YMMV.

Not to say that these companies couldn't make a fine 1911, but their style is just a little different, and I'm fine with that. I love my HK, but the thought of an HK 1911 is just weird for me. To each their own, I suppose.

shaunpain · September 26, 2012, 11:28 AM

I think there are plenty of great companies that have made 1911s out there so it doesn't worry my pretty head one bit. The great thing about the platform is that you really can't go wrong if you use quality steel and all of your parts are fitted correctly. Well, maybe you could go wrong. I'm sure someone has had a lemon out there!

chris in va · September 26, 2012, 07:21 PM

The 1911 market is saturated. Wouldn't make much marketing sense to offer yet another slabside to the masses.

orionengnr · September 26, 2012, 08:35 PM

If you buy a recent manufacture Dan Wesson 1911, it will have a CZ serial number.

From most accounts, they are a pretty dang good 1911.

My experience was, perhaps, "the exception to the rule".

Nearly two years, two 1911 smiths and a good bit of money later, mine is finally a keeper. But I will never again buy a used DW 1911 (or, for that matter, having experienced their idea of customer service, a new one), nor would I recommend a DW 1911 to anyone, unless he could put at least 100 rounds through it first.

TennJed · September 26, 2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chris in va

The 1911 market is saturated. Wouldn't make much marketing sense to offer yet another slabside to the masses.

Worked out well for Ruger

RickB · September 27, 2012, 11:13 AM

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The 1911 market is saturated. Wouldn't make much marketing sense to offer yet another slabside to the masses.

Yeah, I was saying that, about ten years ago. Apparently, 5% of the 1911 market is a much larger market than 100% of the market for anything else. It's especially curious that the new 1911s are exactly like the ones already being made by a half-dozen makers. The Remington and Ruger guns are not only all but identical to each other, but to two dozen guns from other makers.
I'd think there might be a bigger market for some specific niche, for example, the left-handed 1911, or a chambering that nobody else offers, than for yet another cookie-cutter version.
There does seem to be a market for any 1911 that's made by fill-in-the-blank, as I see posts all the time on the 1911 forums from people who have never owned a 1911 before, but are salivating at the chance to own one made by a company that also has no experience with the type.

MLeake · September 27, 2012, 11:22 AM

You have a point.

OTOH, a company known for QA and CS, that makes an actual MilSpec weapon, would probably do well.

One of the major problems with 1911s is that so many manufacturers have deviated from spec.

September 26, 2012, 12:37 AM	#1
TennJed Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2010 Posts: 1,536	Companies that do NOT make a 1911 A 1911 thread with a twist. Now that Ruger has joined the ranks of the 1911 makers, what major semi auto makers do not make a 1911 (or at least put their name on one). Also which of those companies do you want to see make one and which do you think would have the most sucess based on name only. So far I have: Beretta Walther glock HK FN __________________ Find out just how tall I am By jumping in the middle of a river

September 26, 2012, 12:49 AM	#2
LockedBreech Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2009 Location: Rocky Mountain West Posts: 3,395	I can't see any company you listed making a good 1911. Not their style. Stoeger Caracal Steyr Bersa Browning (ironically) CZ Hi-Point (Hah!) __________________ 16 Pistols, 5 Rifles, 1 Shotgun, no time to shoot them

September 26, 2012, 12:53 AM	#3
BarryLee Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2010 Location: The ATL (OTP) Posts: 3,946	Browning __________________ A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it ... gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

September 26, 2012, 12:58 AM	#4
TennJed Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2010 Posts: 1,536	I do believe browning makes a 1911 They have a scaled down .22lr that is easy to find. They also offer a 45acp that (as far as I know) is offered as part of a set with the .22lr. I have not seen one in person, but are told they do exist http://www.browning.com/products/cat...1&tid=800&bg=x __________________ Find out just how tall I am By jumping in the middle of a river

September 26, 2012, 01:02 AM	#5
LockedBreech Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2009 Location: Rocky Mountain West Posts: 3,395	Holy cow, TennJed, what a find! Expensive but I'd kill for that set. __________________ 16 Pistols, 5 Rifles, 1 Shotgun, no time to shoot them

September 26, 2012, 01:19 AM	#8
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	IIRC CZ aquired the Dan Wesson brand, which includes the 1911 platform.

September 26, 2012, 01:48 AM	#10
sigcurious Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2011 Posts: 1,755	Thought of another brand that doesn't make a 1911, keltec. I do not think however that people would be running out to buy keltec 1911s.

September 26, 2012, 02:48 AM	#12
Palmetto-Pride Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2009 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 2,071	Does it seem odd that Browning doesn't sell a 1911 45 by its self. And at those prices I don't think they really want sell them at all. I wonder if that was a special run they had another company do at there specs for them. __________________ “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” -Margaret Thatcher-

September 26, 2012, 04:44 AM	#13
Lead shooter Member Join Date: March 30, 2006 Location: East Atlanta Posts: 75	Who makes the the 1911 for Browning? Since Browning is a gun marketing firm whose pistols are typically made by FN, FN could actually be making 1911's.

September 26, 2012, 09:31 AM	#14
IMTHDUKE Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2004 Location: Sweet Home Alabama Posts: 1,475	If I owned those Brownings...you could not fire them...or the first shot cost you around $1000....so they are gun jewerly. __________________ http://www.treasureislandbedandbreakfast.com Ed Brown Alpha Carry\| Sig P238, P938, P232, 1911 C3 \| Colt Defender, Mustang Pocketlite, 1911 \| Rohrbaugh R9 \| Browning, Buckmark 22LR(suppressed) \| Kahr PM9 Black Rose \| S&W\|M&P C.O.R.E RMR Trijicon \| Dan Wesson ECO

September 26, 2012, 10:40 AM	#15
EdInk Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2009 Posts: 3,968	I'm not sure if the Browning .22 1911s are actual 1911s, they may just look like 1911s and function like other .22 pistols that simply look like 1911s. (e.g. ATI 1911 .22lr pistol.) In regards to the OP's question, I don't recall any large handgun manufacturers, not already listed, that don't make a 1911. __________________ Sic Semper Tyrannis

September 26, 2012, 10:47 AM	#16
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	Honda. They don't make guns, but then at one time they did not make personal watercraft or airplanes. Everything they make has good quality control and product support.

September 26, 2012, 10:55 AM	#17
RickB Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2000 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 8,518	John Deere Harley Davidson Kenworth Maybe next year?

September 26, 2012, 11:00 AM	#18
BlueTrain Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 6,141	Colt does not make a pistol they call the 1911. __________________ Shoot low, sheriff. They're riding Shetlands! Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag, and return us to our own beloved homes! Buy War Bonds.

September 26, 2012, 11:01 AM	#19
TheRaskalKing Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2012 Location: The Hometown of JMB Posts: 212	+1. This is an interesting topic. Initially, when I thought about this I was kind of bummed- "Why doesn't HK/FN/Beretta make a 1911? They make great guns otherwise...? Then I remembered this: http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=20180 This was for April fools day from this year... Glock making a 1911 just seems bizarre, right? Or maybe it doesn't, YMMV. Not to say that these companies couldn't make a fine 1911, but their style is just a little different, and I'm fine with that. I love my HK, but the thought of an HK 1911 is just weird for me. To each their own, I suppose. __________________ "Freedom and reason make us men; take these away, what are we then?" -Sometimes your best defense is a good reminder of your common sense- Springfield Loaded 1911 - HK USP Compact 9mm - SA XDM 4.5 .45 - Browning Medalist .22 - Ruger 10/22 - Browning Superposed O/U - Remington 1100 - Remington 720 .270

September 26, 2012, 11:28 AM	#20
shaunpain Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 854	I think there are plenty of great companies that have made 1911s out there so it doesn't worry my pretty head one bit. The great thing about the platform is that you really can't go wrong if you use quality steel and all of your parts are fitted correctly. Well, maybe you could go wrong. I'm sure someone has had a lemon out there! __________________ "Shut up, crime!"

September 26, 2012, 07:21 PM	#21
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	The 1911 market is saturated. Wouldn't make much marketing sense to offer yet another slabside to the masses.

September 26, 2012, 08:35 PM	#22
orionengnr Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2004 Posts: 5,177	Liocked Breach-- If you buy a recent manufacture Dan Wesson 1911, it will have a CZ serial number. From most accounts, they are a pretty dang good 1911. My experience was, perhaps, "the exception to the rule". Nearly two years, two 1911 smiths and a good bit of money later, mine is finally a keeper. But I will never again buy a used DW 1911 (or, for that matter, having experienced their idea of customer service, a new one), nor would I recommend a DW 1911 to anyone, unless he could put at least 100 rounds through it first.

September 27, 2012, 11:22 AM	#25
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	You have a point. OTOH, a company known for QA and CS, that makes an actual MilSpec weapon, would probably do well. One of the major problems with 1911s is that so many manufacturers have deviated from spec.