going over the max grains of powder in .44 mag?

cajun47 · February 10, 2008, 02:10 PM

my book says 10 grains max for hercules bullseye powder for a 200 grain bullet. i did that and it doesn't feel all that powerful. i want some kick.

should i go 12 grains, 15 grains? or no way!

Jim Watson · February 10, 2008, 02:13 PM

No way.
The only gun ever blown up on the range here was by trying to load full charge .357 Magnums with Bullseye. We think he got in a double charge, which is not hard with one of the densest and fastest burning powders on the market.

If you want your adrenaline fix from recoil get some 240 gr or heavier bullets and some slow burning powder like 2400, 296, H110, N110, or AA#9. And go by the book.

shepherddogs · February 10, 2008, 05:22 PM

Get a can of 296 if you want punch. Overloading Bullseye is not the way to go. Its more for light target loads.

zxcvbob · February 10, 2008, 05:30 PM

Alliant claims 11.0 grains is max for .44 Magnum w/ 200 grain jacketed bullets. 10 probably is kind of light.

If you want lots of recoil, use heavier bullets. Maybe 240 to 260 grain cast bullets with a nice charge of Herco, Blue Dot, Power Pistol, #9, 2400, HS-6, 800X, etc.

45Dave · February 10, 2008, 06:02 PM

I use to shoot lots of 44 mag and if you are looking for max velocity one of the powders that delivers is Hodgdon 110.
According to one manual I have (Midways Load Map) you can be in the 1825 range with 28.7 grains shooting a Hornady 200 grain HP/XTP bullet. The second powder that delivers lots of velocity is Winchester 296. These may not be your most accurate loads but you seem to be looking for something to challenge your wrist and ears.

minnfinn · February 10, 2008, 07:53 PM

When I started hand-loading for my Redhawk .44, I used Hodgdon H110 up to 24 gr w\ Hornady 240 gr HP\XTP. However, I was seeing a little more muzzle flash and recoil than I wanted with this load. So, I backed off to 23.3 gr H110 w\ the same bullets and it shoots well for me now. This is the same load called for in the midrange of Nosler 240 gr bullets, so I don't need to reset my powder measure when switching between mfg. same weight, type.
The Hogue grips help a great deal on my Redhawk to keep things under control with these loads.

aaalaska · February 11, 2008, 12:16 AM

want a thump 19 gr H110 with 300 gr hard cast

TexasSeaRay · February 11, 2008, 12:22 AM

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my book says 10 grains max for hercules bullseye powder for a 200 grain bullet. i did that and it doesn't feel all that powerful. i want some kick.

Do you want kick or do you want accuracy?

Kinda hard to make a 44 caliber 200 grain bullet kick too much. Try a heavier bullet combined with a slower powder.

Jeff

Charshooter · February 11, 2008, 12:29 AM

The main point is do not use more Bulleye! The pressure goes way up with that powder and with other fast small spherical powders. Try 2400, or H 110, Win 296 is about the same as H110

Tom Matiska · February 11, 2008, 12:47 AM

Bullet type???

Many different sources list Bullseye loads that are less (lead)... close(gas check) .... or over(jacketed) ... depends .....

wncchester · February 11, 2008, 08:29 AM

Playing with Bullseye is like playing with dynamite. Use H110 or 2400 if you want to beat yourself up some.

Edward429451 · February 11, 2008, 09:49 AM

If you want more kick try heavier bullets. Read more about powder and burn rates before you have an oopsie with your gun.

Why kind of gun are you shooting?

Bullet94 · February 12, 2008, 12:53 AM

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going over the max grains of powder in .44 mag?

Probably not a good idea unless your trying to blow up your gun.

crowbeaner · February 12, 2008, 07:21 PM

Slow powders are the right way to get thump out of your .44. All the previous suggestions are good ones. If you want the maximum hand wrenching recoil and flame throwing loads, try H110 and/or WW 296. I shoot the RCBS 44-240-SWC with a Hornady check sized to.430 over 25.0 of 296 and magnum primers in WW or Federal cases. Use a firm crimp and trim your cases to get best results. 50 of them will definitely give your shooting hand the trembles.

blackhawk45 · February 17, 2008, 01:48 PM

READ A LOAD MANUAL ! NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOAD !

Doublestack · February 17, 2008, 03:06 PM

You didn't say what kind of gun your using for a launch pad. i just got back from the range shooting very heavy loads out of a Ruger new model SBH.

I am thinking of upgrading strengthwise to a ruger SRH in the very near furure, I am pushing a 310 gr. hard cast WNFP 1250 fps. yep, it has a bit of recoil!

DS

John D · February 18, 2008, 01:20 AM

I shoot 240g JHP over 20.0g of 2400 for a Super Blackhawk, Mountain Gun, and Deerfield carbine. Accurate but a heavy thumper. DO NOT exceed maximum loads and keep the weapon in mind when loading hotter loads.

bomccorkle · February 19, 2008, 09:46 PM

h4227 will put some stank on em use it in the 500 smith 50 ae and 357mag

February 10, 2008, 02:10 PM	#1
cajun47 Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2007 Location: swamp people Posts: 539	going over the max grains of powder in .44 mag? my book says 10 grains max for hercules bullseye powder for a 200 grain bullet. i did that and it doesn't feel all that powerful. i want some kick. should i go 12 grains, 15 grains? or no way!

February 10, 2008, 06:02 PM	#5
45Dave Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2007 Location: South East Michigan Posts: 109	Hodgdon 110 I use to shoot lots of 44 mag and if you are looking for max velocity one of the powders that delivers is Hodgdon 110. According to one manual I have (Midways Load Map) you can be in the 1825 range with 28.7 grains shooting a Hornady 200 grain HP/XTP bullet. The second powder that delivers lots of velocity is Winchester 296. These may not be your most accurate loads but you seem to be looking for something to challenge your wrist and ears.

February 12, 2008, 07:21 PM	#14
crowbeaner Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,943	Slow powders are the right way to get thump out of your .44. All the previous suggestions are good ones. If you want the maximum hand wrenching recoil and flame throwing loads, try H110 and/or WW 296. I shoot the RCBS 44-240-SWC with a Hornady check sized to.430 over 25.0 of 296 and magnum primers in WW or Federal cases. Use a firm crimp and trim your cases to get best results. 50 of them will definitely give your shooting hand the trembles. __________________ If you want your children to follow in your footsteps, be careful where you walk. Beware the man that only owns one gun; he probably knows how to use it. I just hope my ship comes in before my dock rots.

February 17, 2008, 03:06 PM	#16
Doublestack Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2007 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 295	You didn't say what kind of gun your using for a launch pad. i just got back from the range shooting very heavy loads out of a Ruger new model SBH. I am thinking of upgrading strengthwise to a ruger SRH in the very near furure, I am pushing a 310 gr. hard cast WNFP 1250 fps. yep, it has a bit of recoil! DS __________________ The 2nd Amendment is the original Homeland Security.

February 19, 2008, 09:46 PM	#18
bomccorkle Member Join Date: December 11, 2007 Posts: 32	h4227 h4227 will put some stank on em use it in the 500 smith 50 ae and 357mag __________________ Work to Live, Live to Handload, Handload to Shoot -Now come on isn't this government supposed to be... For the People, and By the People If Uncle Sam can have an M1 Abrams and a BMG why can't I

February 10, 2008, 02:13 PM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,541	No way. The only gun ever blown up on the range here was by trying to load full charge .357 Magnums with Bullseye. We think he got in a double charge, which is not hard with one of the densest and fastest burning powders on the market. If you want your adrenaline fix from recoil get some 240 gr or heavier bullets and some slow burning powder like 2400, 296, H110, N110, or AA#9. And go by the book.

February 10, 2008, 05:22 PM	#3
shepherddogs Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2007 Posts: 1,007	Get a can of 296 if you want punch. Overloading Bullseye is not the way to go. Its more for light target loads.

February 10, 2008, 05:30 PM	#4
zxcvbob Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2007 Location: S.E. Minnesota Posts: 4,720	Alliant claims 11.0 grains is max for .44 Magnum w/ 200 grain jacketed bullets. 10 probably is kind of light. If you want lots of recoil, use heavier bullets. Maybe 240 to 260 grain cast bullets with a nice charge of Herco, Blue Dot, Power Pistol, #9, 2400, HS-6, 800X, etc.

February 10, 2008, 07:53 PM	#6
minnfinn Member Join Date: January 17, 2008 Posts: 54	When I started hand-loading for my Redhawk .44, I used Hodgdon H110 up to 24 gr w\ Hornady 240 gr HP\XTP. However, I was seeing a little more muzzle flash and recoil than I wanted with this load. So, I backed off to 23.3 gr H110 w\ the same bullets and it shoots well for me now. This is the same load called for in the midrange of Nosler 240 gr bullets, so I don't need to reset my powder measure when switching between mfg. same weight, type. The Hogue grips help a great deal on my Redhawk to keep things under control with these loads.

February 11, 2008, 12:16 AM	#7
aaalaska Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2007 Location: Palmer Ak Posts: 319	want a thump 19 gr H110 with 300 gr hard cast

February 11, 2008, 12:29 AM	#9
Charshooter Senior Member Join Date: March 10, 2007 Location: Ozarks Posts: 216	The main point is do not use more Bulleye! The pressure goes way up with that powder and with other fast small spherical powders. Try 2400, or H 110, Win 296 is about the same as H110 __________________ Born pre-war and proud of it!

February 11, 2008, 12:47 AM	#10
Tom Matiska Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2000 Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pa Posts: 1,029	Bullet type??? Many different sources list Bullseye loads that are less (lead)... close(gas check) .... or over(jacketed) ... depends .....

February 11, 2008, 08:29 AM	#11
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,832	Playing with Bullseye is like playing with dynamite. Use H110 or 2400 if you want to beat yourself up some.

February 11, 2008, 09:49 AM	#12
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	If you want more kick try heavier bullets. Read more about powder and burn rates before you have an oopsie with your gun. Why kind of gun are you shooting?

February 17, 2008, 01:48 PM	#15
blackhawk45 Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2007 Location: Millersville Pa. Posts: 114	READ A LOAD MANUAL ! NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOAD !

February 18, 2008, 01:20 AM	#17
John D Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2000 Location: No. Arizona Posts: 436	I shoot 240g JHP over 20.0g of 2400 for a Super Blackhawk, Mountain Gun, and Deerfield carbine. Accurate but a heavy thumper. DO NOT exceed maximum loads and keep the weapon in mind when loading hotter loads.