The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The North Corral > Black Powder and Cowboy Action Shooting

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old June 13, 2008, 01:12 PM   #1
FrontSight
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 9, 2005
Posts: 1,712
Call me crazy...

But I'd LOVE to see a Muzzleloader that looks exactly like an EBR*...or at least as close as possible. A lot on it would have to be cosmetic, of course, but whatever...I think it's an awesome idea.

Or does one already exist and I just don't know about it?


*EBR = Evil Black Rifle; an Ar-15; AR-10; M-16, etc, for those unfamiliar with the initials/term...
__________________
To kill something as great as a duck just to smell the gunpowder is a crime against nature. - Alan Liere
Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. - George Bernard Shaw

Last edited by FrontSight; June 13, 2008 at 03:16 PM. Reason: Note to self: "Mind your spelling and grammar, young man."
FrontSight is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 01:24 PM   #2
ZeSpectre
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 4, 2007
Location: Shenandoah Valley
Posts: 3,276
You know, I'd love to see that too.
ZeSpectre is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 01:46 PM   #3
FrontSight
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 9, 2005
Posts: 1,712
Let's get together and manufacture one and sell millions! What permits do we need?

Damn, I should have kept this to myself, now someone else is going to get rich off my idea.
__________________
To kill something as great as a duck just to smell the gunpowder is a crime against nature. - Alan Liere
Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. - George Bernard Shaw
FrontSight is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 02:43 PM   #4
sundance44s
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 6, 2006
Location: Hernando , Ms.
Posts: 579
Guys make sure it`s at least a 10 shot ...or it won`t sell.
sundance44s is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 04:02 PM   #5
Shotgun Willy
Member
 
Join Date: May 22, 2007
Location: Oklahoma Territory
Posts: 98
Why not build it around a Remmy Cattleman's, or Buffalo?
Shotgun Willy is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 05:06 PM   #6
FrontSight
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 9, 2005
Posts: 1,712
Quote:
Why not build it around a Remmy Cattleman's, or Buffalo?
Sorry, I am not familiar with those...
__________________
To kill something as great as a duck just to smell the gunpowder is a crime against nature. - Alan Liere
Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. - George Bernard Shaw
FrontSight is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 05:27 PM   #7
simonkenton
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 25, 2008
Posts: 891
Doc White of the White muzzleloading company built one inline that looked just like an AK47. I don't know if it was a joke or what, damn it looked weird.
It was up for sale on the internet 4 years ago before I knew how to capture and save photos, I wish I had a photo of it.
simonkenton is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 05:55 PM   #8
mykeal
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 8, 2006
Location: Northern Michigan
Posts: 2,772
OK, you're crazy.
mykeal is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 06:35 PM   #9
hillbille
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 4, 2008
Location: west virginia born 1/19/1961
Posts: 222
just go out and buy an ak or an ar weld it shut at the breech drill and thread a nipple hole and you'llbe ready to go, you can carry speed loaders in the magazine.
hillbille is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 06:43 PM   #10
Raider2000
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 23, 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 719
I do wish they would make the Cattleman Revolving Carbine in .50 caliber even if it had to be 5 shot.
Raider2000 is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 06:54 PM   #11
playtheblues
Member
 
Join Date: June 2, 2008
Posts: 84
I just don't understand the point? Why?
BB in SC
playtheblues is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 09:05 PM   #12
Gunruner
Member
 
Join Date: March 26, 2008
Posts: 27
??
Gunruner is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 09:27 PM   #13
45Marlin carbine
Junior member
 
Join Date: January 26, 2007
Location: South-Western North Carolina
Posts: 1,124
yep, I agree w/mykeal - U are crazy!
45Marlin carbine is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 10:11 PM   #14
FrontSight
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 9, 2005
Posts: 1,712
Why? Because it would be.....DIFFERENT...NEW (to me anyway)...AND AWESOME!!

I think so, anyway. I like unexpected twists, combining new & old & even older to come up with even newer and wilder things...things that when you see them it makes you wonder why you didn't think of it...

You guys really don't think it would be fun to hunt with a muzzleloader AR? I would jump on that in an instant...
__________________
To kill something as great as a duck just to smell the gunpowder is a crime against nature. - Alan Liere
Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. - George Bernard Shaw
FrontSight is offline  
Old June 13, 2008, 11:25 PM   #15
Smokin_Gun
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 4, 2005
Location: Mojave Desert, CA
Posts: 1,195
ANd then Ban BP Assault Rifles?

Naaaaw! I don't think I'd like one please...Had enough black mattel toys in my hands long enough, Russian AK's too, and then sum.
Put me pack in the 19th Century with my weapons of choice, a pair a boots, Hat, saddle and a horse...Saloon Girls and Card games and I'd be happy.

Weapons during the War of attrition... Battles with C&B left 3,000 to 8,000 dead on the field. Single to 6 shot rifles and revolvers, swords and knives.
Now who can tell me how many rounds and how many dead were close to that in Black Rifle Times? Give ya a clue ain't near that per round.
Anyway Have fun make a gun but don't get mine taken away.
SG
__________________
"I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington"
SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A.
SASS# 19634, ...
Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php

Last edited by Smokin_Gun; June 14, 2008 at 01:33 AM.
Smokin_Gun is offline  
Old June 14, 2008, 02:20 AM   #16
arcticap
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 15, 2005
Location: Central Connecticut
Posts: 3,166
There is a real AR type muzzle loader that's the 3rd to last item on this page:

>>>> http://www.tromix.com/Projects_o_Tromix.htm <<<<


And here's an unfired .50 Prairie River Arms Bullpup muzzle loader that was on a Gunbroker auction for $499, approaching almost double the original price.










The above and more appeared in a similar thread here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...rie+river+arms
arcticap is offline  
Old June 14, 2008, 06:45 AM   #17
Hawg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 8, 2007
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 16,177
Quote:
You guys really don't think it would be fun to hunt with a muzzleloader AR
NO!
Hawg is offline  
Old June 14, 2008, 06:53 AM   #18
mykeal
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 8, 2006
Location: Northern Michigan
Posts: 2,772
Quote:
Weapons during the War of attrition... Battles with C&B left 3,000 to 8,000 dead on the field. Single to 6 shot rifles and revolvers, swords and knives.
Now who can tell me how many rounds and how many dead were close to that in Black Rifle Times? Give ya a clue ain't near that per round.
3,000 to 8,000 DYING, not dead. They died from inadequate medical care. Yes, they were wounded by tens, even hundreds, of thousands of lead bullets fired in massive volleys at massed troop concentrations. But they weren't killed by the bullets. They were simply incapacitated, and they died agonizing deaths, often from exsanguination, infection and gangrene.

That was somehow better?
mykeal is offline  
Old June 14, 2008, 08:02 AM   #19
Hawg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 8, 2007
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 16,177
A lot of those died from headshots proven from archaeological digs. It wasn't all volleys fired at massed troops. More died from sickness and disease than bullets. Those were the days when an infected tooth would kill you.
Hawg is offline  
Old June 14, 2008, 09:44 PM   #20
FrontSight
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 9, 2005
Posts: 1,712
Arcticap, thanks, that's hot!

Darn, I knew I was too late. I'l make my barrel shorter tho, if at all possible.

Wonder if it's possible to get a short magnum kind of thing going....
__________________
To kill something as great as a duck just to smell the gunpowder is a crime against nature. - Alan Liere
Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. - George Bernard Shaw
FrontSight is offline  
Old June 14, 2008, 10:14 PM   #21
4V50 Gary
Staff
 
Join Date: November 2, 1998
Location: Colorado
Posts: 21,824
Articap - I was thinking the same thing. The AR would be the easiest gun to build as a muzzleloader. You get a barrel and have a breechplug installed that is drilled and tapped for a nipple. You modify the bolt and firing pin for percussion caps and finally, you have to make a special capper & decapper as that tiny firing port would be hard to reach inside. Of course, with the AR you can always pull out the take-down pin and swing the lower receiver down to get access to the percussion cap. The AR's (California evil) 20-round magazine is converted into a cap box or a possibles box for your jag, stuck ball remover, spare nipples and nipple wrench.
__________________
Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. Molon Labe!
4V50 Gary is offline  
Old June 14, 2008, 10:47 PM   #22
ssilicon
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 5, 2005
Posts: 459
Yer Crazy!
ssilicon is offline  
Old June 15, 2008, 04:51 AM   #23
Smokin_Gun
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 4, 2005
Location: Mojave Desert, CA
Posts: 1,195
The Que was about numbers

Quote:
3,000 to 8,000 DYING, not dead. They died from inadequate medical care. Yes, they were wounded by tens, even hundreds, of thousands of lead bullets fired in massive volleys at massed troop concentrations. But they weren't killed by the bullets. They were simply incapacitated, and they died agonizing deaths, often from exsanguination, infection and gangrene.

That was somehow better?
Mykeal, If you think lead poisening isn't dead one way or another, or there are no silmularities to gangerine by a saber, or by fesis on a punji stick. I haven't a clue as what you are attempting to project. As I never stated it was better or worse, Simply outragously high numbers. It was about Black Guns and a comparison to the Weapons during the War of Attrition I do believe.

SG
__________________
"I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington"
SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A.
SASS# 19634, ...
Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php
Smokin_Gun is offline  
Old June 15, 2008, 11:51 AM   #24
arcticap
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 15, 2005
Location: Central Connecticut
Posts: 3,166
For less than the price of a custom "Evil Black Gun",
someone could dress up a factory Mossberg 500
with a pistol grip stock and then install one of their
factory production muzzle loader barrels to achieve the
appearance of an assault muzzle loader.
Also, for 2 years or so Mossberg produced a special
bullpup version of the Model 500 with a pistol grip stock,
but I don't know whether the BP barrel would fit it.
It probably would if the rear barrel sight was removed.

It would certainly look interesting to try it.

This first one has an after market muzzle device:

More pictures contained in the following page & thread:


The top one is an airsoft clone & the bottom is the real deal:

arcticap is offline  
Old June 15, 2008, 01:07 PM   #25
simonkenton
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 25, 2008
Posts: 891
I checked with my sources and they dug up a photo of Doc White's "AK47" muzzleloader.
He has a web site, google him up and maybe he will make you one.
You could attach an AK mag with super glue and you would be all set.

simonkenton is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2021 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Page generated in 0.07506 seconds with 8 queries