Questions on the Remington Model 4 30.06

desert.bunny · October 22, 2011, 06:17 PM

I bought this gun last week. Today we took it out. I cleaned it w/o completely taking it apart beforehand. Cleaned the barrel and receiver, oil it.

On the firing range, I had some feed problems. Got the gun home and noticed the magazine says 270 WIN. Not a Remington. The guy where I bought it said the mags are the same. A they do seem to line up. Any thoughts on this? Should I replace the mag w/ a Rem 30.06 mag.

Also, does anyone have a link to how I can field strip this gun. I bought it used so, no manual. I want to take it completely apart, clean and oil it.

Any help will earn you a strip in my anti-socialist movement! lol.

BlackJackID · October 22, 2011, 06:22 PM

Hi there

.270 WIN(chester) is the actual name of the cartridge, no matter what make of gun it is. That is just the manufacturer (remington in this case) marking which magazine goes with the rifle, as the rifle is sold in several chamberings.

What kind of feeding issue is it having? perhaps the magazine was not seated all the way in or some such, but do not let that marking deter you. If you look on your rifle, even though its a remington, it should be marked that it is chambered for a .270 WINchester cartridge.

desert.bunny · October 22, 2011, 06:26 PM

Thanks for the reply. I just noticed on gun broker a Remington Mag that has all the calibers that should work. I guess I'm ok.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=257308712

However, I was using 165 grain Remington new ammo. The empty shell would exit ok, but the next bullet would not always feed.

On my last round, it got stuck in the chamber. When I got it home and put my cleaning rod down the barrell, I inspected the shell and noticed a chip on the butt end of the shell (not sure of the name of this part). I suspect the extractor broke the brass and could not get a good grip.

What do you think..just need a good cleaning. Like I said, I just bought it and it was kind of dirty...I gave it only a fairly good cleaning. But I think it needs a real take apart cleaning.

briandg · October 22, 2011, 06:39 PM

Your magazine was made to fit one specific case, the 30-06 case.

This case was converted into at least 8 different cartridges that I know of that were essentially unaltered, as well as several other slightly altered wildcats. 6mm, 25, 6.5, 7mm, 30, 338, 35, 400. These rounds would all, universally, feed from a standard 30-06 magazine.

The thing is, Remington is a company. There is not a chance in the world that they will sell an accessory without specifying exactly what it goes to. buying a rifle in 270, people expect a magazine that says 270, and so forth. so, every magazine sold with a rifle is labeled for caliber, or sold unlabeled in the after market.

The reason that it is "270 win" is simple. Remington is not even going to consider putting the word "winchester" on a remington rifle, but they must be specific about the cartridge, not just the caliber. If there was only one .270 cartridge, the word "win" would even be left off.

oneoldsap · October 23, 2011, 05:44 PM

Looks like you need to tune your mag a little . First see if it is feeding from one side and not the other .If that is the case , just open the lips on that side so that the case rides a tad higher in the Mag . What's happening is , the bolt isn't picking up the next round because it's riding over it . As far as extraction goes , a polished chamber usually cures this problem , a semi auto chamber can't be too clean or smooth ! Both things are real easy to do . There is a special wrench required to disassemble and reassemble your Rem. auto . If you aren't an avid gun tinkerer I would suggest taking it to a smith for a detailed cleaning , I get $40.00 for cleaning one , and I do alot of them . Usually in the fall just before hunting season after they have been to the range to verify zero and their gun is jamming due to the crap that has been in it for a year !

Mobuck · October 23, 2011, 07:09 PM

The Remington magazine is an alternate side feed. Some research would determine if it was feeding better from one side or the other. I think a hands on checkup by a knowledgeable person is in order. The OP indicates more in depth problems than his experience can handle.

desert.bunny · October 23, 2011, 09:46 PM

I bought this auto-loader last week and cleaned the barrell and took it out for some bang bang! Very nice. Scope was already sighted in for 1000 yards.

Anyway, today I tried to give it a complete cleaning but ran into a snag.

SNAG:

When you unscrew the top screw to remove the wood the spring is exposed. I cannot figure out how to remove the spring. Do I pop the pin? Is there an easy way to get the spring off? I found the Remington site will send me the owners manual for this older gun, but that could take weeks.

Anyone with this gun or with experience with this gun have any insights??

briandg · October 23, 2011, 10:11 PM

It may be the simplest thing to just pick up a new magazine and test with the new magazine.

You really should carry a spare, anyway. You never know when you're out deer hunting when you'll walk over an indian burial ground or something, and suddenly find yourself butt deep in zombies, and only have 4+1 in the chamber.

Do you really want to take that chance!?

Mobuck · October 24, 2011, 07:24 AM

I would not recommend any "field stripping". Remove the forearm by taking out the screw at the front and pulling it off toward the muzzle. Since these don't have a bolt lock on them, take a long ziptie and tie the bolt back to the trigger guard then remove the magazine. Stand it up on it's muzzle end with some sort of support so you can leave it that way for a while. Make sure nothing is behind it that will be damaged by overspray. Using a can of Gunscrubber or Brake Parts Cleaner, hose out the inside of the action(don't get this stuff on the buttstock either) and the metal parts which were covered by the forearm. Using the little tip thingy, get some of the cleaner down in the gas port on the bottom of the barrel. Let the solvent run off and dry and then use some CLP, FP10, RemLube, or whatever you prefer to put some lube on everything that moves. It doesn't take much, just a drop. Clean the bore of any debris and make sure you get the chamber clean. Most of the chamber brushes that came with these rifles were lost, thrown away, or worn out years ago. I've used a shotgun bore brush (410 or 28) with an adaptor by putting a rifle rod down the barrel and then screwing the brush on from inside the action. Pull that up into the chamber after applying some solvent and turn the rod several revolutions to clear the residue from the chamber.
I've seen these rifles function when there was so much carbon and gunk in them that the barrel above the forearm was black and you really couldn't see rifling in the bore. Most people don't have a very high consideration of this model by for my part, I really never had a problem with them IF THEY HAD A MODICUM OF CARE.

Goatwhiskers · October 24, 2011, 07:31 AM

No need to concern yourself with it. The only reason to remove the spring is to remove the barrel for complete disassembly, which gets a little complicated and should be left to a 'smith. Just keep it lubed so that it doesn't rust, which is something most people don't do. Goatwhiskers

desert.bunny · October 24, 2011, 07:46 AM

I was a little concerned b/c I was having some loading problems. At times the next round was not loading and was getting stuck. Do you think the mags wear out..spring get tired?

The mag fits the gun, although it is not a Remington mag. It say 270 WIN, but the store who sold it indicated its the right mag, and I agree, I've seen others that should fit..with marking for several calibers.

I just thought maybe a cleaning would help the loading problems. But I see your point on the spring.

Thanks.

desert.bunny · October 24, 2011, 09:39 AM

The advice and comments on FL are very much appreciated. You guys rock. I do plan to take the advice and run with it, get this gun cleaned up and buy a new mag.

And no, I don't want to take any chances with zombies...when the get to close they want you stomp on the constitution!

desert.bunny · October 24, 2011, 10:30 AM

I fired a 30.06 round from my Remington Auto-loader and couldn't figure out why the next round would not load. Then peering into the chamber I see the fired round still in there. I didn't a gun cleaner with me so the round stayed in the chamber till I got home.

What I noticed is that on the inside rim of the shell base was a small nick. No more than 2mm long. I am wondering if this was enough of a nick to allow gas to escape and not push the shell out off the chamber. From what I can see there is not "extractor" on the Rem model 4.

kraigwy · October 24, 2011, 10:36 AM

Are these reloads or factory.

If reloads, I'm betting the case wasn't sized to specs. That's the number one cause of failure to extract on gas guns.

desert.bunny · October 24, 2011, 10:49 AM

Yup, factory loads; Remington 160 gr.

However, I was having trouble prev w/ extraction and the bolt was catching on some of the rounds coming up from the clip. It could have damaged the round before it was loaded.

oneoldsap · October 24, 2011, 03:12 PM

I give up !

fishinma · December 28, 2013, 12:18 PM

I to have a Remington Model four bought new in 1985. It is in 30 06 caliber. And has suffered from the same condition. The second shot sometimes does not chamber all the way and you have to manualy push in the slide. What I have found is round nose core lock feed rather well. All others can hang up. My reloads as well as factory bought rounds all run the risk of not chambering fully. Remington first said problem was in the clip. Bought a second new one and had same issue. Remington then said I would need short based reloading dies. Bought those to and had same issues. I have heard that in manufacturing they did not put enough lugs on the bolt to chamber the load properly. I could find no confirmation on this. This gun was a engagement present from my wife all those years ago but due to the issues I wont hunt with it.

PetahW · December 28, 2013, 03:02 PM

.

Just a thought: The Remington Model Four is essentially a fancy Model 7400 - known for feeding issues if/when the rails inside the receiver (that the bolt rides on) are worn from a lot of shooting.

Even though they are hunting rifles, meant to be carried a lot & shot relatively less, some folks shoot theirs very often for range practice, etc - leading to worn receivers.

You can download a Model 4/Model 7400 owner's manual from Remington's website, which has field takedown instructions.

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October 22, 2011, 06:17 PM	#1
desert.bunny Member Join Date: October 20, 2011 Posts: 28	Questions on the Remington Model 4 30.06 I bought this gun last week. Today we took it out. I cleaned it w/o completely taking it apart beforehand. Cleaned the barrel and receiver, oil it. On the firing range, I had some feed problems. Got the gun home and noticed the magazine says 270 WIN. Not a Remington. The guy where I bought it said the mags are the same. A they do seem to line up. Any thoughts on this? Should I replace the mag w/ a Rem 30.06 mag. Also, does anyone have a link to how I can field strip this gun. I bought it used so, no manual. I want to take it completely apart, clean and oil it. Any help will earn you a strip in my anti-socialist movement! lol.

October 22, 2011, 06:26 PM	#3
desert.bunny Member Join Date: October 20, 2011 Posts: 28	Hey Black Jack Thanks for the reply. I just noticed on gun broker a Remington Mag that has all the calibers that should work. I guess I'm ok. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=257308712 However, I was using 165 grain Remington new ammo. The empty shell would exit ok, but the next bullet would not always feed. On my last round, it got stuck in the chamber. When I got it home and put my cleaning rod down the barrell, I inspected the shell and noticed a chip on the butt end of the shell (not sure of the name of this part). I suspect the extractor broke the brass and could not get a good grip. What do you think..just need a good cleaning. Like I said, I just bought it and it was kind of dirty...I gave it only a fairly good cleaning. But I think it needs a real take apart cleaning.

October 23, 2011, 05:44 PM	#5
oneoldsap Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2009 Location: I live in the foot of the Green Mountains of Vermont Posts: 1,602	Preventative Maintainance !!! Looks like you need to tune your mag a little . First see if it is feeding from one side and not the other .If that is the case , just open the lips on that side so that the case rides a tad higher in the Mag . What's happening is , the bolt isn't picking up the next round because it's riding over it . As far as extraction goes , a polished chamber usually cures this problem , a semi auto chamber can't be too clean or smooth ! Both things are real easy to do . There is a special wrench required to disassemble and reassemble your Rem. auto . If you aren't an avid gun tinkerer I would suggest taking it to a smith for a detailed cleaning , I get $40.00 for cleaning one , and I do alot of them . Usually in the fall just before hunting season after they have been to the range to verify zero and their gun is jamming due to the crap that has been in it for a year !

October 23, 2011, 09:46 PM	#7
desert.bunny Member Join Date: October 20, 2011 Posts: 28	Remington Model 4 30.06 Autloader - Take Down I bought this auto-loader last week and cleaned the barrell and took it out for some bang bang! Very nice. Scope was already sighted in for 1000 yards. Anyway, today I tried to give it a complete cleaning but ran into a snag. SNAG: When you unscrew the top screw to remove the wood the spring is exposed. I cannot figure out how to remove the spring. Do I pop the pin? Is there an easy way to get the spring off? I found the Remington site will send me the owners manual for this older gun, but that could take weeks. Anyone with this gun or with experience with this gun have any insights??

October 24, 2011, 07:46 AM	#11
desert.bunny Member Join Date: October 20, 2011 Posts: 28	Thanks GW I was a little concerned b/c I was having some loading problems. At times the next round was not loading and was getting stuck. Do you think the mags wear out..spring get tired? The mag fits the gun, although it is not a Remington mag. It say 270 WIN, but the store who sold it indicated its the right mag, and I agree, I've seen others that should fit..with marking for several calibers. I just thought maybe a cleaning would help the loading problems. But I see your point on the spring. Thanks.

October 22, 2011, 06:22 PM	#2
BlackJackID Senior Member Join Date: September 14, 2011 Posts: 159	Hi there .270 WIN(chester) is the actual name of the cartridge, no matter what make of gun it is. That is just the manufacturer (remington in this case) marking which magazine goes with the rifle, as the rifle is sold in several chamberings. What kind of feeding issue is it having? perhaps the magazine was not seated all the way in or some such, but do not let that marking deter you. If you look on your rifle, even though its a remington, it should be marked that it is chambered for a .270 WINchester cartridge.

October 22, 2011, 06:39 PM	#4
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	Your magazine was made to fit one specific case, the 30-06 case. This case was converted into at least 8 different cartridges that I know of that were essentially unaltered, as well as several other slightly altered wildcats. 6mm, 25, 6.5, 7mm, 30, 338, 35, 400. These rounds would all, universally, feed from a standard 30-06 magazine. The thing is, Remington is a company. There is not a chance in the world that they will sell an accessory without specifying exactly what it goes to. buying a rifle in 270, people expect a magazine that says 270, and so forth. so, every magazine sold with a rifle is labeled for caliber, or sold unlabeled in the after market. The reason that it is "270 win" is simple. Remington is not even going to consider putting the word "winchester" on a remington rifle, but they must be specific about the cartridge, not just the caliber. If there was only one .270 cartridge, the word "win" would even be left off.

October 23, 2011, 07:09 PM	#6
Mobuck Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2010 Posts: 6,846	The Remington magazine is an alternate side feed. Some research would determine if it was feeding better from one side or the other. I think a hands on checkup by a knowledgeable person is in order. The OP indicates more in depth problems than his experience can handle.

October 23, 2011, 10:11 PM	#8
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	It may be the simplest thing to just pick up a new magazine and test with the new magazine. You really should carry a spare, anyway. You never know when you're out deer hunting when you'll walk over an indian burial ground or something, and suddenly find yourself butt deep in zombies, and only have 4+1 in the chamber. Do you really want to take that chance!?

October 24, 2011, 07:24 AM	#9
Mobuck Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2010 Posts: 6,846	I would not recommend any "field stripping". Remove the forearm by taking out the screw at the front and pulling it off toward the muzzle. Since these don't have a bolt lock on them, take a long ziptie and tie the bolt back to the trigger guard then remove the magazine. Stand it up on it's muzzle end with some sort of support so you can leave it that way for a while. Make sure nothing is behind it that will be damaged by overspray. Using a can of Gunscrubber or Brake Parts Cleaner, hose out the inside of the action(don't get this stuff on the buttstock either) and the metal parts which were covered by the forearm. Using the little tip thingy, get some of the cleaner down in the gas port on the bottom of the barrel. Let the solvent run off and dry and then use some CLP, FP10, RemLube, or whatever you prefer to put some lube on everything that moves. It doesn't take much, just a drop. Clean the bore of any debris and make sure you get the chamber clean. Most of the chamber brushes that came with these rifles were lost, thrown away, or worn out years ago. I've used a shotgun bore brush (410 or 28) with an adaptor by putting a rifle rod down the barrel and then screwing the brush on from inside the action. Pull that up into the chamber after applying some solvent and turn the rod several revolutions to clear the residue from the chamber. I've seen these rifles function when there was so much carbon and gunk in them that the barrel above the forearm was black and you really couldn't see rifling in the bore. Most people don't have a very high consideration of this model by for my part, I really never had a problem with them IF THEY HAD A MODICUM OF CARE.

October 24, 2011, 07:31 AM	#10
Goatwhiskers Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2009 Location: Batchelor, La. Posts: 579	No need to concern yourself with it. The only reason to remove the spring is to remove the barrel for complete disassembly, which gets a little complicated and should be left to a 'smith. Just keep it lubed so that it doesn't rust, which is something most people don't do. Goatwhiskers

October 24, 2011, 09:39 AM	#12
desert.bunny Member Join Date: October 20, 2011 Posts: 28	Thanks to ALL The advice and comments on FL are very much appreciated. You guys rock. I do plan to take the advice and run with it, get this gun cleaned up and buy a new mag. And no, I don't want to take any chances with zombies...when the get to close they want you stomp on the constitution!

October 24, 2011, 10:30 AM	#13
desert.bunny Member Join Date: October 20, 2011 Posts: 28	30.06 Bullet did not extract from my semi-auto I fired a 30.06 round from my Remington Auto-loader and couldn't figure out why the next round would not load. Then peering into the chamber I see the fired round still in there. I didn't a gun cleaner with me so the round stayed in the chamber till I got home. What I noticed is that on the inside rim of the shell base was a small nick. No more than 2mm long. I am wondering if this was enough of a nick to allow gas to escape and not push the shell out off the chamber. From what I can see there is not "extractor" on the Rem model 4.

October 24, 2011, 10:36 AM	#14
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	Are these reloads or factory. If reloads, I'm betting the case wasn't sized to specs. That's the number one cause of failure to extract on gas guns. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

October 24, 2011, 10:49 AM	#15
desert.bunny Member Join Date: October 20, 2011 Posts: 28	Yup, factory loads; Remington 160 gr. However, I was having trouble prev w/ extraction and the bolt was catching on some of the rounds coming up from the clip. It could have damaged the round before it was loaded.

October 24, 2011, 03:12 PM	#16
oneoldsap Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2009 Location: I live in the foot of the Green Mountains of Vermont Posts: 1,602	I give up !

December 28, 2013, 12:18 PM	#17
fishinma Junior Member Join Date: December 28, 2013 Posts: 2	Model four not feeding I to have a Remington Model four bought new in 1985. It is in 30 06 caliber. And has suffered from the same condition. The second shot sometimes does not chamber all the way and you have to manualy push in the slide. What I have found is round nose core lock feed rather well. All others can hang up. My reloads as well as factory bought rounds all run the risk of not chambering fully. Remington first said problem was in the clip. Bought a second new one and had same issue. Remington then said I would need short based reloading dies. Bought those to and had same issues. I have heard that in manufacturing they did not put enough lugs on the bolt to chamber the load properly. I could find no confirmation on this. This gun was a engagement present from my wife all those years ago but due to the issues I wont hunt with it.

December 28, 2013, 03:02 PM	#18
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	. Just a thought: The Remington Model Four is essentially a fancy Model 7400 - known for feeding issues if/when the rails inside the receiver (that the bolt rides on) are worn from a lot of shooting. Even though they are hunting rifles, meant to be carried a lot & shot relatively less, some folks shoot theirs very often for range practice, etc - leading to worn receivers. You can download a Model 4/Model 7400 owner's manual from Remington's website, which has field takedown instructions. .

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