value of my german mauser kar98k plz? and identify

mauserlover909 · August 13, 2010, 01:50 AM

so i managed find out some of the numbers and words for it heres what i got

42 Mauser, Oberndorf 1938-40 stamped on the gun metal

dou Waffen Werke Brunn, Bystrica 1942-45
right above the 42 where it was stamped

i have eagle holding a nazi swastika mark i will post pics with my gun it has also on the stock 2 stamps with the eagle and swastika marks

JT-AR-MG42 · August 13, 2010, 04:29 AM

It sort of looks like a VZ24 to me rather than a 98K. Receiver ring is marked with the Czech code and 42 being the year of manufacture.

That '42' is what you might be confusing with the mid war Mauser code? Germany controlled and ran the production of Czech firearms after they occupied the country until the war ended. Are there any markings on the left side of the receiver?

In 1942 Bystrica started full 98k production. I figure they might have wrapped up VZ 24 manufacture as well at that time, but I am not up on the CZs that much. Yours has a definite transition look to it with the laminated stock and cup buttplate.
Is the bolt handle bent down or straight? Can't see the front sight from the photos.

I would venture that it is not a common rifle in that configuration and one that would be fun to look over.

No way to guess a value without knowing more particulars on the gun. Matching bolt, stock, and handguard, import status, bore condition other numbered parts, etc.

JT

csmsss · August 13, 2010, 07:24 AM

A K98k should have a turned-down bolt handle, and no wooden upper handguard between the forward receiver ring and the sight base. Whatever your rifle might happen to be, I'm fairly certain it is not in fact a K98k

mapsjanhere · August 13, 2010, 07:58 AM

Barrel band seems to have a bottom swivel, that's not regulation either.
It looks very much like the picture for the Vz24 on Wikipedia

But for the stock being modified with the German slot for the sling.

Dustin0 · August 13, 2010, 08:04 AM

Code dou.
Start S/N 1186d
Ending S/N 2591i
Quantity 92582
Date 1942
Factory Waffen-Werke Brünn AG

Looks like a Muaser Action. Its got a good bore Iam think it worth about $200 but thats just shooting from the hip.

mauserlover909 · August 13, 2010, 03:06 PM

I put the bolt like that you know when u turn the safety in middle its for takedown then all the way right for safety then way left for fire

mauserlover909 · August 13, 2010, 03:10 PM

i got this gun from when i lived in maryland along with my grandfathers service pistol and this gun also had a winchester and then my ithaca shotgun

JT-AR-MG42 · August 14, 2010, 08:15 AM

ML909,

The other photos show the stock is not matching to the bolt. Not that uncommon in war2 bringbacks or the later imports.

It is still a nice unaltered example of a German proofed ( if there is an eagle clutching a swastica on the receiver or barrel) and accepted - WaA80 - mid war uncommon variation rifle and one you should hang on to given its family history.

I would mention that the sling looks original from the one photo. If so, it alone could easily bring 100 or more depending on any markings and mostly it's condition. Take care of it as well.

JT

Scorch · August 14, 2010, 01:03 PM

Brunn= Brno
42= mid-war captive plant
That rifle has the wrong handguard to be a K98k, it is indeed a Vz24.
Nice rifle.

GregM · August 15, 2010, 05:16 PM

I think you have a good find on your hands. The germans issued out the Vz24's that were already on-hand and marked them as G24(T). That definitely looks like a VZ24 barrel. What is the marking on the side rail...where it normally says "Mod 98"?

Greg

mauserlover909 · August 15, 2010, 07:06 PM

so what is my gun then like half kar98k for the stock thing and rest vz24 ? it has the waa80 on the stock i see and german prints there too with swastikas an eagle and right next to stampin where it says dou it has eagle and swastika from the pocs of course you can see.

GregM · August 15, 2010, 07:40 PM

Waa80 is the german inspectors mark and is correct for Dou code rifles. Does it say mod 98 on the side rail of the receiver?

Greg

JT-AR-MG42 · August 15, 2010, 08:50 PM

ML909,

That is not a 98K stock, the band spring configuration lets you see that at a glance, but rather a late VZ24 stock made with the laminated wood per German specs for a stronger stock made from cheaper and more available beech.

Does the rifle's serial no. match the stock and is the bolt number different than the receiver number? As Greg and I have both asked, what markings are on the left side of the receiver rail?

U.S. bringbacks of the occupied Eastern European guns are much more uncommon than the 98K. Most of them in country came in prior to the GCA in 1968. That said, the 'German Nazi' factor keeps prices on straight 98s ahead of the rarer but non German rifles used by Axis forces during WWII.

I would still be hesitant to put a value without more detailed photos and info.

That is a clean looking 9422 as well!

JT

csmsss · August 15, 2010, 08:58 PM

I think this might be of some help: http://www.ycgg.org/pdfpages/ww2/g24%28t%29.pdf

mauserlover909 · August 17, 2010, 11:58 PM

did u guys look at all pics i put up they should help answer questions and on stock it says waa80 2 stamps of it and where it says g.24 on opposite rail it doesnt say anything oh and also do u guya kno how much that winchester would be worth just a question

GregM · August 18, 2010, 06:09 AM

Don't take offense to this, but your pictures are not worth much. Trying to determine exactly what you have with this german WWII stuff is in the details. Marks and symbols on the metal and wood are how you determine what you have, if its real, and the value.

Follow this link:
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...highlight=g24t

About half-way down, a poster named Bob in Ohio posted some pics of his G24(t). I can't tell from your pics what you have, but you can look at his and tell if thats what you have. Notice the small markings on EVERYTHING. Some people can tell you what every one of those markings mean, like who made it, when it was made, who refurbished it, etc. Your rifle sounds interesting, i'd LOVE to see good detailed pics of it, and i'm sure others here would as well. I could give you a ballpark value of it, but decoding all the markings could make it be worth double what i'd guess from just looking at your posted pics.

GregM

August 13, 2010, 04:29 AM	#2
JT-AR-MG42 Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2008 Posts: 555	It sort of looks like a VZ24 to me rather than a 98K. Receiver ring is marked with the Czech code and 42 being the year of manufacture. That '42' is what you might be confusing with the mid war Mauser code? Germany controlled and ran the production of Czech firearms after they occupied the country until the war ended. Are there any markings on the left side of the receiver? In 1942 Bystrica started full 98k production. I figure they might have wrapped up VZ 24 manufacture as well at that time, but I am not up on the CZs that much. Yours has a definite transition look to it with the laminated stock and cup buttplate. Is the bolt handle bent down or straight? Can't see the front sight from the photos. I would venture that it is not a common rifle in that configuration and one that would be fun to look over. No way to guess a value without knowing more particulars on the gun. Matching bolt, stock, and handguard, import status, bore condition other numbered parts, etc. JT Last edited by JT-AR-MG42; August 13, 2010 at 05:50 AM.

August 13, 2010, 07:58 AM	#4
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,832	Barrel band seems to have a bottom swivel, that's not regulation either. It looks very much like the picture for the Vz24 on Wikipedia But for the stock being modified with the German slot for the sling. __________________ I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying.

August 14, 2010, 01:03 PM	#9
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	Brunn= Brno 42= mid-war captive plant That rifle has the wrong handguard to be a K98k, it is indeed a Vz24. Nice rifle. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

August 15, 2010, 05:16 PM	#10
GregM Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2000 Posts: 182	I think you have a good find on your hands. The germans issued out the Vz24's that were already on-hand and marked them as G24(T). That definitely looks like a VZ24 barrel. What is the marking on the side rail...where it normally says "Mod 98"? Greg Last edited by GregM; August 15, 2010 at 05:51 PM.

August 13, 2010, 07:24 AM	#3
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	A K98k should have a turned-down bolt handle, and no wooden upper handguard between the forward receiver ring and the sight base. Whatever your rifle might happen to be, I'm fairly certain it is not in fact a K98k

August 13, 2010, 08:04 AM	#5
Dustin0 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 701	Code dou. Start S/N 1186d Ending S/N 2591i Quantity 92582 Date 1942 Factory Waffen-Werke Brünn AG Looks like a Muaser Action. Its got a good bore Iam think it worth about $200 but thats just shooting from the hip.

August 13, 2010, 03:10 PM	#7
mauserlover909 Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2010 Posts: 5	i got this gun from when i lived in maryland along with my grandfathers service pistol and this gun also had a winchester and then my ithaca shotgun

August 14, 2010, 08:15 AM	#8
JT-AR-MG42 Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2008 Posts: 555	ML909, The other photos show the stock is not matching to the bolt. Not that uncommon in war2 bringbacks or the later imports. It is still a nice unaltered example of a German proofed ( if there is an eagle clutching a swastica on the receiver or barrel) and accepted - WaA80 - mid war uncommon variation rifle and one you should hang on to given its family history. I would mention that the sling looks original from the one photo. If so, it alone could easily bring 100 or more depending on any markings and mostly it's condition. Take care of it as well. JT

August 15, 2010, 07:06 PM	#11
mauserlover909 Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2010 Posts: 5	so what is my gun then like half kar98k for the stock thing and rest vz24 ? it has the waa80 on the stock i see and german prints there too with swastikas an eagle and right next to stampin where it says dou it has eagle and swastika from the pocs of course you can see.

August 15, 2010, 07:40 PM	#12
GregM Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2000 Posts: 182	Waa80 is the german inspectors mark and is correct for Dou code rifles. Does it say mod 98 on the side rail of the receiver? Greg

August 15, 2010, 08:50 PM	#13
JT-AR-MG42 Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2008 Posts: 555	ML909, That is not a 98K stock, the band spring configuration lets you see that at a glance, but rather a late VZ24 stock made with the laminated wood per German specs for a stronger stock made from cheaper and more available beech. Does the rifle's serial no. match the stock and is the bolt number different than the receiver number? As Greg and I have both asked, what markings are on the left side of the receiver rail? U.S. bringbacks of the occupied Eastern European guns are much more uncommon than the 98K. Most of them in country came in prior to the GCA in 1968. That said, the 'German Nazi' factor keeps prices on straight 98s ahead of the rarer but non German rifles used by Axis forces during WWII. I would still be hesitant to put a value without more detailed photos and info. That is a clean looking 9422 as well! JT

August 15, 2010, 08:58 PM	#14
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	I think this might be of some help: http://www.ycgg.org/pdfpages/ww2/g24%28t%29.pdf

August 17, 2010, 11:58 PM	#15
mauserlover909 Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2010 Posts: 5	did u guys look at all pics i put up they should help answer questions and on stock it says waa80 2 stamps of it and where it says g.24 on opposite rail it doesnt say anything oh and also do u guya kno how much that winchester would be worth just a question

August 18, 2010, 06:09 AM	#16
GregM Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2000 Posts: 182	Don't take offense to this, but your pictures are not worth much. Trying to determine exactly what you have with this german WWII stuff is in the details. Marks and symbols on the metal and wood are how you determine what you have, if its real, and the value. Follow this link: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...highlight=g24t About half-way down, a poster named Bob in Ohio posted some pics of his G24(t). I can't tell from your pics what you have, but you can look at his and tell if thats what you have. Notice the small markings on EVERYTHING. Some people can tell you what every one of those markings mean, like who made it, when it was made, who refurbished it, etc. Your rifle sounds interesting, i'd LOVE to see good detailed pics of it, and i'm sure others here would as well. I could give you a ballpark value of it, but decoding all the markings could make it be worth double what i'd guess from just looking at your posted pics. GregM