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October 23, 2011, 05:16 AM | #51 |
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Thank you for a well thought out educated opinion on 6.5 Creedmoor vs .308 Winchester. Your insight along with my own research has helped me make my decision on re-barreling my Rem 700 sps. My money can now be better spent on other shooting related things.
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October 23, 2011, 07:48 AM | #52 |
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Why even get a 6.5mm when you can go with a 6mm and still shoot to 1k? I have seen a 15 year old girl clean up at Quantico F-Class with a 243. A lot of guys are looking into cartridges like the 6xc (Tubbs as well). Guys on the US F-Class team and Palma team would love to shoot 6mm br for matches. The 6br, 6dasher, and 6XC shooting Tubbs DTAC 115gr bullets will hang with the 6.5 and 308 rifles out to 1k. Shooting a 115gr 6mm bullet is going to produce less recoil that any 6.5 or 308.
While the 308 is a good 1k performer it is far from the best. I personally know guys who use 22 cal and 20 cal rifles to shoot 1k + on Prairie Dogs. The 6.5 creedmore was designed for one thing. It does that one thing very well and can do plenty more as well.
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October 23, 2011, 08:14 AM | #53 |
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Here's a good thread on the .260, the discussion is the 260 vs 308 and the 6.5 Creedmore
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...highlight=.260 |
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As to the 308 (I'll catch hell about this) it is a nice footnote in history and has outlived it's usefulness. I love my 30-06 but don't shoot it any more maybe once a year for about 10 rounds to check my zero. If I am hunting I use my 35 remington or 270 winchester depending on terrain. Like I said we love to reminisce over ancient history and hold on to our favorite calibers. Do they still work, yes! But at a cost. Me, I am holding off till the Wizardelectric 2200 comes out in the year 2200 that shoots a bolt of plasma at just under the speed of light. Till then a 243 at 4,000 fps will have to do. Have fun finding 6.5 ammo. Jim
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As for 6.5mm vs. 6mm, generally for similar long-range performance the 6mm has less barrel life. The 6mm BC values do not quite match 6.5mm either. Quote:
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October 23, 2011, 04:37 PM | #56 |
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Someone please put this 3 year old thread to death already...
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November 26, 2011, 01:42 AM | #57 |
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Keeping this thread alive..............
For a shooter that is looking for Distance, Accuracy and Energy @ POI... From a Bolt Action, 26", 1" Bull Barrel, does the 6.5 Creedmoor have all of these factors?
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November 26, 2011, 01:45 AM | #58 |
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Looking at this Savage 6.5 Creedmoor Rifle
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December 11, 2012, 10:57 PM | #59 |
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I have a Savage on order in 6.5 Creedmoor. I probably wont shoot 1000yd competition with it, but it is a cartridge that interests me. Balistically, as has been demonstrated in this thread earlier, the .308 Winchester is not even in the ballpark with the Creedmore. At the moment, my 1000yd rig is a .284 Winchester. At the moment, the cartridge to beat at our 1000Yd. matches is a .270 WSM necked down to 6mm. Its not the typical 6x.270 WSM, but a wildcat cooked up by one of the shooters. It has no taper and an ackley type shoulder that is pushed up ridiculously far, but its the cartridge to beat at the moment.
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December 11, 2012, 11:24 PM | #60 |
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Interesting footnote from the 2011 Shooter's Bash match held at Rifles Only.
The article was in the August 2012 issue of Guns Magazine. Shooter’s Bash 2011, A Tactical Match at Rifles Only by Jacob Gottfriedson Out of the top 10 finishers: 3 were shooting the .243 Win (1st, 9th & 10th)I've also heard/read that the .260 is very popular at silhouette matches.
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December 12, 2012, 09:03 AM | #61 |
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Wow Necro-thread!
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December 12, 2012, 08:00 PM | #62 |
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In its heyday in match rifles, the .308 has a barrel life of 2000 rounds of pristine accuracy; about 1000 more of very good accuracy. And .243's about 1000 rounds at pristine level, 500 more of very good accuracy.
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February 14, 2013, 01:01 AM | #63 |
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well said, kraigwy. one thing not mentioned. here. is the creed -(retains) moor energy past 1000 yds than does the 300mag.
anyone know how to remove muzz - break on savage long range hunter? it's the on-off type. thanks, and I hope everyone acheives lessdrop |
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_Bullet_ _BC_ _MV_ 0 500 1000 1500 | YARDS 300WM 210VLD 0.631 2850 > 2850 2187 1628 1213 | velocity (fps) 300WM 185Hyb 0.569 3025 > 3025 2268 1639 1186 | velocity (fps) 6.5 140 0.612 2820 > 2820 2143 1577 1172 | velocity (fps) 300WM 210VLD 0.631 2850 > 0.00 13.17 60.58 157.28 | wind (inches) 300WM 185Hyb 0.569 3025 > 0.00 13.58 63.37 167.28 | wind (inches) 6.5 140 0.612 2820 > 0.00 13.84 64.06 166.49 | wind (inches) 300/210 685 ft*lbs 300/185 577 ft*lbs 6.5/140 426 ft*lbs @ 1000 yards 300/210 1234 ft*lbs 300/185 1102 ft*lbs 6.5/140 772 ft*lbs Even if you could fire a 140 at 3000 fps from a 6.5 CM, using the same conditions as above it would only retain 1702 fps at 1000 yards and still have 27% less energy.
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February 14, 2013, 01:39 AM | #65 |
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oops
sorry god, ispoke out of bad vison and fogot to insert 180 and 140 but still I was wrong they'rs equals according to, calc on big, game info.
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_Bullet_ _BC_ _MV_ 0 500 1000 1500 | YARDS 300WM 210VLD 0.631 2850 > -0.00 2.50 7.65 15.64 | drop (mil) 300WM 185Hyb 0.569 3025 > -0.00 2.22 7.04 14.87 | drop (mil) 6.5 140 0.612 2820 > -0.00 2.59 7.97 16.45 | drop (mil)
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October 14, 2013, 10:21 AM | #67 |
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Hey zak
Just my signature, not a ballistic claim, oh tay?
Lessdrop (We all look for...) Here's a good one, i tried to find out what it was that made me say that energy stuff, and i found the article- started out something like "the trajectory either beats or stays right with the 300 mag, with half the recoil of a .308, and with 30g less mass, retains more energy (than the. 308) Thats where i was confused, and when i looked to see who the author was, well...it was...YOU. Thanks for clearing up my confusion, tho. Didn't mean to speak with false facts. Can i go to the range now? I know i'll sleep better. peace thru bigger firestick Lessdrol Last edited by Lessdrop; October 14, 2013 at 10:47 AM. Reason: Just for grins1 |
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