Not all fights are gunfights - Page 4

NEPrepper · January 1, 2024, 10:15 AM

in my state you have a duty to retreat

Eye Roll

labnoti · January 1, 2024, 03:44 PM

It happened to John Claggart. Don't be a John Claggart.

davidsog · January 1, 2024, 09:42 PM

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in my state you have a duty to retreat

Then retreat. Don't get into a fist fight thinking that is the non-lethal way of not retreating.

Glad I live in a state that believes in the right to self defense and not one looking to subvert it for political safety.

fastbolt · January 9, 2024, 08:01 PM

Read the article. Didn't really have time to read all the personal opinions following in the thread.

Bottom line? I found myself nodding along in agreement by the time I'd finished the 3rd paragraph of the short article. The rest of the article read rather like something crafted for general Public dissemination in some meeting. Prudently cautionary and nothing to really offend.

Yep, if you're unfamiliar with how the laws are written and enforced in your state, (or state you're visiting), than it might be wise to find out.

There are otherwise good folks in jails and prisons who exercised bad judgment and made poor decisions in some spur-of-the-moment, and found they didn't actually understand either the laws involving self defense, or how courts (and juries) might later look at their actions with different eyes.

Cops typically not only get initial training in the laws they're expected to enforce, but they may get recurrent/updated changes each year, for not only new laws, but also any changes to existing laws resulting from court case law. Even so, they - as we can see in the news - may make mistakes of law, mistakes of judgment and poor decisions when it comes to the use of force. (And that doesn't include mistakes of policy, which can add problems for both individual cops and their agencies.)

Personally, I didn't see any issues with some of the broad strokes of cautionary thoughts offered by Jim Wilson. Better to think about such issues and problems before they happen, than look back in retrospect and regret for not having taken a little time to better prepare.

Granted, my thoughts and opinions have been formed by my own LE career and experiences, as well as having served for many years as a firearms instructor (and Taser instructor for a few years), and having helped teach classes for people interested in getting/renewing CCW licenses. Even so, things change, and once I no longer had to keep my training current for POST, I had to spend more of my own effort to try and stay current on some things that might affect me in my retirement CCW, and any situations requiring self defense of any nature (force used). That's also why I presently pay for a couple legal defense programs that provide 24/7 on-call attorney access.

Different strokes. Free country. The freedom to make choices does come with the potential for consequences, though.

ZoieBarnett · February 22, 2024, 10:44 AM

I didn't read all the replies, but I saw that a lot of people rely on their guns too much in my opinion, you need to be able to defend yourself without carrying a gun with you all the time, also of course fighting is not a good idea anyway you can still easily kill someone, it's enough for just one punch and a knockout to get you killed.

January 9, 2024, 08:01 PM	#79
fastbolt Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2002 Location: northern CA for a little while longer Posts: 1,931	Read the article. Didn't really have time to read all the personal opinions following in the thread. Bottom line? I found myself nodding along in agreement by the time I'd finished the 3rd paragraph of the short article. The rest of the article read rather like something crafted for general Public dissemination in some meeting. Prudently cautionary and nothing to really offend. Yep, if you're unfamiliar with how the laws are written and enforced in your state, (or state you're visiting), than it might be wise to find out. There are otherwise good folks in jails and prisons who exercised bad judgment and made poor decisions in some spur-of-the-moment, and found they didn't actually understand either the laws involving self defense, or how courts (and juries) might later look at their actions with different eyes. Cops typically not only get initial training in the laws they're expected to enforce, but they may get recurrent/updated changes each year, for not only new laws, but also any changes to existing laws resulting from court case law. Even so, they - as we can see in the news - may make mistakes of law, mistakes of judgment and poor decisions when it comes to the use of force. (And that doesn't include mistakes of policy, which can add problems for both individual cops and their agencies.) Personally, I didn't see any issues with some of the broad strokes of cautionary thoughts offered by Jim Wilson. Better to think about such issues and problems before they happen, than look back in retrospect and regret for not having taken a little time to better prepare. Granted, my thoughts and opinions have been formed by my own LE career and experiences, as well as having served for many years as a firearms instructor (and Taser instructor for a few years), and having helped teach classes for people interested in getting/renewing CCW licenses. Even so, things change, and once I no longer had to keep my training current for POST, I had to spend more of my own effort to try and stay current on some things that might affect me in my retirement CCW, and any situations requiring self defense of any nature (force used). That's also why I presently pay for a couple legal defense programs that provide 24/7 on-call attorney access. Different strokes. Free country. The freedom to make choices does come with the potential for consequences, though. __________________ Retired LE - firearms instructor & armorer

January 1, 2024, 10:15 AM	#76
NEPrepper member Join Date: October 21, 2023 Posts: 25	in my state you have a duty to retreat Eye Roll

January 1, 2024, 03:44 PM	#77
labnoti Senior Member Join Date: April 2, 2018 Posts: 252	It happened to John Claggart. Don't be a John Claggart.

February 22, 2024, 10:44 AM	#80
ZoieBarnett Member Join Date: February 15, 2024 Posts: 23	I didn't read all the replies, but I saw that a lot of people rely on their guns too much in my opinion, you need to be able to defend yourself without carrying a gun with you all the time, also of course fighting is not a good idea anyway you can still easily kill someone, it's enough for just one punch and a knockout to get you killed.