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November 17, 2012, 09:51 AM | #1 | |
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Help force the Whitehouse to take a position on an AWB
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...-1994/sC09SX1l
Unlike most online petitions that are completely useless, this one has potential to force the Obama administration to release a statement on an AWB. If it hits 25000 signatures, they say they will release a statement on the issue. The text is: Quote:
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November 17, 2012, 10:05 AM | #2 |
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I always thought it was pretty clear how obama felt on the matter and I don't think that is going to change
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November 17, 2012, 10:09 AM | #3 |
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Those White House website petitions are the equivalent of liking something on Facebook. If it gets 25,000 signatures, the White House will issue some statement about being committed to reasonable restrictions, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.
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November 17, 2012, 04:23 PM | #5 |
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Even if we could, why on earth would we want to force the hand of the executive branch to take an action that is the equivalent of one of our worst nightmares???
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This administration is not gun friendly.... Mr. Obama is about as anti gun as you can get..
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November 17, 2012, 04:55 PM | #8 |
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I'm afraid this is one those "be careful what you're asking for" things....the outcome will not be good.
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November 17, 2012, 06:03 PM | #9 |
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I suspect his statement would be similar to the one during the debates. He is in favor of a new AWB.
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November 17, 2012, 06:57 PM | #10 |
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He will just state he is not re-enacting the AWB, but is introducing legislation which will have a "real effect" on the issue. Not just some bandaid. Look out folks.
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November 17, 2012, 07:46 PM | #11 |
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In the debates, Obama said he was in favor of the AWB. True, he's not likely to push it and there is little chance of getting one enacted.
So what use is the petition? Clinton, Bushes, Dole, Romney, Gore and Obama have favored the AWB. McCain was better. Thus, science demonstrates that running for president likely leads to support for the AWB.
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November 17, 2012, 10:19 PM | #12 |
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Ummmm....
So lets see. Nothing so far under Obama has happened (exception of a dew comments) as far as gun control yet, but there should be support to force the issue? Perhaps its better to let the sleeping giant continue sleeping. Last edited by Fishing_Cabin; November 18, 2012 at 07:40 AM. |
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And what good is it, anyway? We know his stance. He can't force one through without the House. It's just a self-aggrandizing episode of preaching to the choir.
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November 18, 2012, 09:56 AM | #14 | |
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Given the recent trend towards movie theater shooting rampages, perhaps it would be more productive to petition the WH to enact a "Movie Theater Violence Prevention Act" consisting of a prohibition on future movie adaptations of comic books and Stephanie Meyer novels. I, for one, would give such a measure my full support.
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November 18, 2012, 03:16 PM | #16 |
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Interesting you mention comics - there was significant legislative investigation of comics way back when. Horror comics were violent. Batman and WW promote same sex shennigans.
The classic book was Seduction of the Innocent by Wertham. Because of pressure the comics industry adopted a voluntary censorship code for many years. Similar accommodations to legislative threats were not unknown during the height of the initial AWB panic.
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My point of view, we need to keep trying to police ourselves as a whole, and work toward being stewards of firearm ownership. Bring others in to our group instead of creating a standoff which no one will win. |
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I believe we ALL know what we are in for over the next four years. Hopefully we have enough allies in congress to give us the help we will need.
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When are folks going to understand it is not the White House or the President who sets the laws of the land? It is the Congress.
Your concerns should not be addressed to or even related to the President. He is of the Executive Branch and not of the Legislative Branch. Yes, the position of President has influence and veto power. The influence is almost non-existent in today's environment, and we all should know (wishful thinking on my part) of the limitation of veto authority over the Legislative Branch. The American people are so ignorant and mis-informed to their own form of government. It is disgusting to read threads of this nature with so much mis-information. |
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While we may be " ignorant and mis-informed to their own form of government", but we also understand the influence and power of the Presidency. Bills the President does not support (or at least remain neutral) have a very difficult time becoming laws.
And, while the Executive branch does not make the laws, they do make the policies and take the action that enforces laws. Also, this administration seems more selective about the laws it chooses to enforce than some previous ones. We all know the current administration supports gun control in their hearts, and would love another AWB, expanded, if at all possible. BUT, they are also well tuned to the political reality that further gun control is a lose/lose proposition, given the current mood of the nation. Give them some credit, they did try to get us stirred up. But even with the Mexican President berating us as a nation for our lack of gun control, on the floor of Congress, in person, the attempt failed. Fast & Furious backfired on them very badly, resulting in the President having to CYA his attorney general under the mantle of "executive privledge". As to any petition on the AWB (or any gun control), I say, why poke the bear? He isn't going to change, and if we draw attention to the subject, when there are so many, many, more important things to deal with, it not only reduces their already limited ability to deal with those important things, but they just might manage to get something done along gun control lines. Lose/Lose, for us, too. As long as they are not making an issue of it, I think the best course for now is to just let it ride, and wait for them to go away. Since the election is over, there is little that can threaten them, so as long as they are focused on other things, reminding them of the "horrid state of gun control" in this country is counter productive.
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Not to be too political but the lesson of last election is that gun rights need to be an issue outside of a diminishing segment of the electorate. Tying the fate of gun rights to groups that alienate large segments of the population isn't going to work. The top level losing party is shifting its grand strategy (while the small segment can fuss). Gun rights organization need to decide if they want to make money off scaring that diminishing base or try to spread gun rights as a general civil rights issue to a wider audience.
That's my take.
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November 20, 2012, 10:46 AM | #24 |
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I know exactly where the white house stands on the AWB, why do I need a petition?
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