44mag Winchester White Box ammo

akinswi · January 7, 2015, 05:39 PM

Does anybody know the load specs for the 44mag Winchester White Box ammo. My buddy let me shoot some and it was like a hammer. My ruger superblackhawk hunter almost jumped out of my hand the first time I shot one of these rds. I love to handload to those specs. I can't remember the weight of the actual bullet was prob a 240grn.

thanks

laytonj1 · January 7, 2015, 05:59 PM

The Winchester white box of 44 mag with 240gr. JSP I have states the velocity as 1180 fps at muzzle with 741 ft/lbs of energy. Not exactly a powerful loading.

Jim

akinswi · January 7, 2015, 06:18 PM

it way was hotter than that. for sure.

Ozzieman · January 7, 2015, 08:12 PM

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/290...ted-soft-point

Ballistics Information:

•Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
•Muzzle Energy: 741 ft. lbs.

DaleA · January 8, 2015, 01:25 AM

Are you sure those were factory loads?

I reload and reuse ammo boxes all the time. (But I almost always mark the box so I can tell what I'm shooting.)

akinswi · January 8, 2015, 01:59 AM

after everybody showing me the specs, had to be reloads. No way that those bullets were coming out my ruger at 1100fps, more like 1600fps. My buddies anaconda was kicking like a mule too.

glenncal1 · January 8, 2015, 10:52 AM

You have a lot more information about the twinkie you bought at 7-11 on the way to the range than factory ammo. I don't know why they aren't required to list the powder and charge weight on factory ammo. The twinkie lists ingredients, calories, fat grams etc. We should have the same info for ammo.

akinswi · January 8, 2015, 11:35 AM

I used to take some rounds apart and see what the charge was, but that really doesnt tell you what powder they use.

Snyper · January 8, 2015, 11:42 AM

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I don't know why they aren't required to list the powder and charge weight on factory ammo.

Because they don't always use powders you can buy off the shelf, and the charge weights can vary with powder lots, but it's hard to change the printing on the box

Velocity is all most people are interested in

**44 AMP** · January 8, 2015, 11:42 AM

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I don't know why they aren't required to list the powder and charge weight on factory ammo.

The main reason they don't list the powder and charge weight on factory ammo is practicality. Putting that info on the box is just a waste of the cost of putting that info on the box.

The reason it is a waste is simply because that information is MEANINGLESS to the shooting public, even if they are handloaders.

Factory ammo is loaded with powders not sold at retail. Factories buy powder by the boxcar load, and develop loads with it, to meet desired pressure and velocity specs. Canister grade powders, (the ones sold to handloaders) great care is taken so that each batch is as close to the same as the last one as they can make. So that can of Bullseye you buy today (assuming you can get any) is essentially the same as the can bought 4 years ago, etc.

The powder used by the ammo makers can vary hugely from lot to lot, even with the same "name". They take this into account, and work up loads for each different lot.

So, lot#1234 might use 10.0gr for a certain load and lot#1235 might use 12gr, and lot 1238 might use 8.7gr for the same given load pressure and velocity.

That information has no practical use for us, we can't get the powders they use, And seeing one# lot of ammo used less powder than a different lot# means nothing to us, either, as ALL the lot#s are loaded to the same pressure specs. etc.

buck460XVR · January 8, 2015, 12:42 PM

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My buddy let me shoot some and it was like a hammer.

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after everybody showing me the specs, had to be reloads.

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I can't remember the weight of the actual bullet was prob a 240grn.

I suggest you ask your buddy what the bullet weight was and if they were reloads or not, otherwise everything else is just speculation with the little amount of info you have.

Bob Wright · January 8, 2015, 12:52 PM

44AMP:

You so very well explained factory practices regarding the loading of ammunition. Never have I seen it described better.

Bob Wright

Sequins · January 9, 2015, 01:27 PM

AMP, I just learned something thanks to you. Did you work in a factory? I didn't realize there was such a variation from lot to lot.

Webleymkv · January 10, 2015, 11:19 PM

WWB .44 Magnum 240gr JSP has, in my experience, been very inconsistent ammunition and I, personally, avoid it. On one occasion that I shot it, it seemed to be overpressure displaying disproportionately heavy recoil, flattened primers and very sticky extraction in a S&W 29-2 and 629-6 yet on another occasion it displayed intermittently light recoil and extremely sooty cases, which is a sign of underpressure, in a Ruger Redhawk.

**44 AMP** · January 11, 2015, 02:58 AM

Isn't the "white box"line considered the cheap stuff? bargain ammo, not top shelf stuff? QC issues show up more in the cheap stuff, or so it seems.

buck460XVR · January 11, 2015, 10:36 AM

Winchester shows a velocity of 1180fps from both of it's offerings in 240 gr .44 mag, including their high priced Super-X hunting load. This is from a 4'' vented test barrel. While not the hammer of Thor, not really anemic either. I've never judged the performance of any round by it's recoil, but instead how accurate and consistent it is and how it performs terminally downrange.

Snyper · January 31, 2015, 03:01 PM

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Isn't the "white box"line considered the cheap stuff? bargain ammo, not top shelf stuff? QC issues show up more in the cheap stuff, or so it seems.

QC "should" be the same, since it's largely determined on how the machines are set up and maintained

The cost factor is determined more by the components

T. O'Heir · January 31, 2015, 03:52 PM

1180 fps at muzzle is the Winchester standard load for a 240. Hornady XTP is faster than that.
Anyway, CFE Pistol or AutoComp will give you those velocities with a cast bullet. Nearly every powder listed on Hodgdon's site will do it with a jacketed bullet. Seven powders start faster than 1180 fps.
Your Blackhawk got factory grips on it? That style is designed to roll in your hand.

January 7, 2015, 08:12 PM	#4
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	http://www.midwayusa.com/product/290...ted-soft-point Ballistics Information: •Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps •Muzzle Energy: 741 ft. lbs. __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe.

January 8, 2015, 10:52 AM	#7
glenncal1 Senior Member Join Date: April 21, 2009 Location: Denver area Posts: 504	You have a lot more information about the twinkie you bought at 7-11 on the way to the range than factory ammo. I don't know why they aren't required to list the powder and charge weight on factory ammo. The twinkie lists ingredients, calories, fat grams etc. We should have the same info for ammo. __________________ Jim Many K and N Frames

January 11, 2015, 02:58 AM	#15
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,832	Isn't the "white box"line considered the cheap stuff? bargain ammo, not top shelf stuff? QC issues show up more in the cheap stuff, or so it seems. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

January 31, 2015, 03:52 PM	#18
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	1180 fps at muzzle is the Winchester standard load for a 240. Hornady XTP is faster than that. Anyway, CFE Pistol or AutoComp will give you those velocities with a cast bullet. Nearly every powder listed on Hodgdon's site will do it with a jacketed bullet. Seven powders start faster than 1180 fps. Your Blackhawk got factory grips on it? That style is designed to roll in your hand. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

January 7, 2015, 05:39 PM	#1
akinswi Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: Bowling Green, Ky Posts: 706	44mag Winchester White Box ammo Does anybody know the load specs for the 44mag Winchester White Box ammo. My buddy let me shoot some and it was like a hammer. My ruger superblackhawk hunter almost jumped out of my hand the first time I shot one of these rds. I love to handload to those specs. I can't remember the weight of the actual bullet was prob a 240grn. thanks

January 7, 2015, 05:59 PM	#2
laytonj1 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2005 Posts: 4,443	The Winchester white box of 44 mag with 240gr. JSP I have states the velocity as 1180 fps at muzzle with 741 ft/lbs of energy. Not exactly a powerful loading. Jim

January 7, 2015, 06:18 PM	#3
akinswi Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: Bowling Green, Ky Posts: 706	it way was hotter than that. for sure.

January 8, 2015, 01:25 AM	#5
DaleA Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2002 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 5,313	Are you sure those were factory loads? I reload and reuse ammo boxes all the time. (But I almost always mark the box so I can tell what I'm shooting.)

January 8, 2015, 01:59 AM	#6
akinswi Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: Bowling Green, Ky Posts: 706	after everybody showing me the specs, had to be reloads. No way that those bullets were coming out my ruger at 1100fps, more like 1600fps. My buddies anaconda was kicking like a mule too.

January 8, 2015, 11:35 AM	#8
akinswi Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: Bowling Green, Ky Posts: 706	I used to take some rounds apart and see what the charge was, but that really doesnt tell you what powder they use.

January 8, 2015, 12:52 PM	#12
Bob Wright Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2012 Location: Memphis, Tennessee Posts: 2,989	44AMP: You so very well explained factory practices regarding the loading of ammunition. Never have I seen it described better. Bob Wright __________________ Time spent at the reloading bench is an investment in contentment.

January 9, 2015, 01:27 PM	#13
Sequins Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2014 Posts: 394	AMP, I just learned something thanks to you. Did you work in a factory? I didn't realize there was such a variation from lot to lot.

January 10, 2015, 11:19 PM	#14
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,446	WWB .44 Magnum 240gr JSP has, in my experience, been very inconsistent ammunition and I, personally, avoid it. On one occasion that I shot it, it seemed to be overpressure displaying disproportionately heavy recoil, flattened primers and very sticky extraction in a S&W 29-2 and 629-6 yet on another occasion it displayed intermittently light recoil and extremely sooty cases, which is a sign of underpressure, in a Ruger Redhawk.

January 11, 2015, 10:36 AM	#16
buck460XVR Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2006 Posts: 4,342	Winchester shows a velocity of 1180fps from both of it's offerings in 240 gr .44 mag, including their high priced Super-X hunting load. This is from a 4'' vented test barrel. While not the hammer of Thor, not really anemic either. I've never judged the performance of any round by it's recoil, but instead how accurate and consistent it is and how it performs terminally downrange.