.357 mag 110gr HP - Page 2

sthomper · November 29, 2014, 01:58 PM

the remington webpage says there is a rtp357m7 (htp labled box) and a r357m7 labled express.

the htp is a sjhp and im not sure about express but the remington site says that both 110gr are to travel at 1295fps. that is a light bullet at a lower end velocity for 357mag. 410ke at muzzle.

i believe winchester makes a similar round.

this rounds seems to be to a 38+ on steroids. it is very mild to shoot in all steel 4" taurus 65 (fixed sights). i found it a little low but easily corrected and accurate aside from that.

sthomper · November 29, 2014, 02:02 PM

somoene may produce a quality 110gr 357 whose spped exceeds the 125gr rounds (in excess of 1400fps....the 327feds at 100 gr were going faster) but with equivalent energy? i am not sure

sthomper · November 29, 2014, 02:05 PM

I dunno. If I carried a .357 mag., I'd use 158 gr. JHPs.
Way too much penetrating power to be effective. In fact, this would be a dangerous load to use, as it would increase the chance of harming innocent people.

missing would be far more likely.

please drop the too-much-penetrating crap as a danger to others please

sthomper · November 29, 2014, 02:08 PM

The reason the 125 grain bullets garner such favor is that the heavier bullets consume too much powder space to give maximum muzzle energy............isnt maximum muzzle energy already done?? the bullet goes as fast as it can go.

SSA · November 29, 2014, 02:26 PM

Chronographed 3 factory loads a while back, same day, 3" revolver. Chronograph was at about 8 yards. Average for 6 of each.

110 gr Winchester jhp 1202 fps
125 gr Speer jhp 1373 fps
158 gr Federal hydra shock 1218 fps

Well, now I see this thread is 6 years old. That might have been about when I did those chronograph tests.

CCCLVII · November 30, 2014, 12:33 PM

I have cooked up some hot-loaded 110 grain bullets. Using a near max charge of H110 or 300MP I can tell you that the 110 grain bullets explode and just about any thing. They work great for ground squirrels. I have my doubts as to there effect on human sized targets.

If you where to ask me what my favorite bullet weight for a 357 magnum is I would tell you 140 grain (not the leverevolution). They are the lightest bullets that in my experience will hold together even at a hot load in a carbine velocity but will expand even from a factory load in a pistol.

My second choice would be 158 grain. That is the bullet that the 357 magnum was originally designed to shoot.

Deja vu · November 30, 2014, 12:39 PM

I feel that the 110 grain bullets are too fragile. They work well from a snubby (I have carried them in my J-frame) but not so hot from a longer barrel. I prefer 140-158 grain bullets. They usually will still expand even at snubby velocity.

sthomper · December 1, 2014, 03:09 AM

i fired the 110 gr / 1295 fps sjhp winchesther from a taurus 65 4"

these were much milder than some pmc 158gr/1200fps rounds and much more accurate for me.

i think the spec on the winchester 110 is the same as the rem 110 sjhp as far as velocity.

a youtube gel demo on the winchesters show very impressive wound channel from, 2 to 4 inches in and then a narrow channel to about 9 inches in.

expansion was right near ,6 inches so perhaps a little less diameter than super bullets but after seeing how comfy and accuratte they were for me i would certainly keep these as a defence rounds.

i hope these stay around and remian cheaper

Laz · December 1, 2014, 11:23 AM

SSA reported 110 gr Winchester jhp at 1202 fps from a 3 inch barrel. That seems to correlate well with my rememberance of getting around 1150 fps +/- from a 2.25 inch Ruger SP101 about 10 or more years ago.

Microgunner · December 1, 2014, 11:52 AM

I own a S&W 340PD scandium /aluminum framed 357 and S&W warns against bullets lighter than 120 grns due to extreme flame cutting.
Something to consider.

NoirFan · December 1, 2014, 05:01 PM

The OP was a looong time ago but I assume that he was asking about the Winchester 110gr @ 1300 FPS that you can find at Wal Mart. I am not a fan of this load, at all. First of all, it shoots very low. I have to crank up my rear sight pretty far for these rounds. Secondly, it was not accurate for me; heavier weight bullets shot much more consistently out of my K-frame.

The final reason is that shooting that light load from a heavy .357 magnum revolver is just inefficient; you may as well switch to a full sized 9mm pistol and have 15+ rounds of similar performance, instead of only 6. My feeling is that if you are going to defend yourself with a big, heavy service revolver with limited capacity, then each round fired from the gun should take full advantage of the caliber. I think the recoil from full power 125gr and heavier loads is very controllable and sort of overrated in online gun talk.

Metalboy · December 1, 2014, 07:30 PM

I have a Colt trooper MK3 4" barrel, and a Python with 6" barrel.
I loaded them with 110 grain, because that was the only one I could buy last time....Otherwise I prefer the 158 grains in this caliber.

TraumaRN · December 1, 2014, 07:53 PM

I would expect less expansion but deeper penetration with a 2" barrel given bullet design is probably with a 4" barrel's length in mind for stated velocity but without gel testing I cannot confirm. Head, neck or center of mass bullet placement would most likely result in a fatality.

MR.G · December 2, 2014, 08:08 PM

I wouldn't have a problem using a .357 110gr HP in a short barrel revolver for SD.

Doc Holliday 1950 · December 3, 2014, 11:04 PM

I am not an expert. I too have a 2" 357 MAG REVOLVER. I DON'T LIKE SAYING THIS, BUT YOU HAVE TO BUY A COUPLE of boxes of different ammo and see what you can handle and like. If you are using this as your primary home or outside defense you really have to test all your options. It doesn't matter what the group says. All that matters is what you shoot the best and for what reason you are arming yourself.

stormyone · December 4, 2014, 09:59 PM

Lighter loads lack penetration. This is especially important if you are shooting light loads out of short barrels. Lots of people think faster velocity light loads = deeper penetration. That's untrue. What actually happens is the lighter load will break up before getting the needed penetration.

Heavier loads penetrate deeper. If you are shooting out of a short barrel, you'll want heavier loads.

There was a tacticalfirearms article a few years back where Speer representatives stated that for 9mm loads, if you were shooting out of shorter barrels that they recommended 147 gr or 124+P loads to achieve sufficient penetration.

November 29, 2014, 02:26 PM	#30
SSA Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Posts: 641	Chronographed 3 factory loads a while back, same day, 3" revolver. Chronograph was at about 8 yards. Average for 6 of each. 110 gr Winchester jhp 1202 fps 125 gr Speer jhp 1373 fps 158 gr Federal hydra shock 1218 fps Well, now I see this thread is 6 years old. That might have been about when I did those chronograph tests. Last edited by SSA; November 29, 2014 at 02:35 PM.

November 30, 2014, 12:33 PM	#31
CCCLVII Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2012 Location: Idaho Posts: 432	I have cooked up some hot-loaded 110 grain bullets. Using a near max charge of H110 or 300MP I can tell you that the 110 grain bullets explode and just about any thing. They work great for ground squirrels. I have my doubts as to there effect on human sized targets. If you where to ask me what my favorite bullet weight for a 357 magnum is I would tell you 140 grain (not the leverevolution). They are the lightest bullets that in my experience will hold together even at a hot load in a carbine velocity but will expand even from a factory load in a pistol. My second choice would be 158 grain. That is the bullet that the 357 magnum was originally designed to shoot. __________________ Always looking for a good hunt!

November 30, 2014, 12:39 PM	#32
Deja vu Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2010 Location: Border of Idaho & Montana Posts: 2,584	I feel that the 110 grain bullets are too fragile. They work well from a snubby (I have carried them in my J-frame) but not so hot from a longer barrel. I prefer 140-158 grain bullets. They usually will still expand even at snubby velocity. __________________ Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull. all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well...

December 1, 2014, 11:23 AM	#34
Laz Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 1999 Posts: 1,278	SSA reported 110 gr Winchester jhp at 1202 fps from a 3 inch barrel. That seems to correlate well with my rememberance of getting around 1150 fps +/- from a 2.25 inch Ruger SP101 about 10 or more years ago. __________________ Laz I’m just a nobody, trying to tell everybody, about Somebody, who can save anybody.

December 1, 2014, 11:52 AM	#35
Microgunner Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 3,324	I own a S&W 340PD scandium /aluminum framed 357 and S&W warns against bullets lighter than 120 grns due to extreme flame cutting. Something to consider. __________________ *Proud NRA Benefactor Member*

November 29, 2014, 01:58 PM	#26
sthomper Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 164	the remington webpage says there is a rtp357m7 (htp labled box) and a r357m7 labled express. the htp is a sjhp and im not sure about express but the remington site says that both 110gr are to travel at 1295fps. that is a light bullet at a lower end velocity for 357mag. 410ke at muzzle. i believe winchester makes a similar round. this rounds seems to be to a 38+ on steroids. it is very mild to shoot in all steel 4" taurus 65 (fixed sights). i found it a little low but easily corrected and accurate aside from that.

November 29, 2014, 02:02 PM	#27
sthomper Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 164	somoene may produce a quality 110gr 357 whose spped exceeds the 125gr rounds (in excess of 1400fps....the 327feds at 100 gr were going faster) but with equivalent energy? i am not sure

November 29, 2014, 02:05 PM	#28
sthomper Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 164	I dunno. If I carried a .357 mag., I'd use 158 gr. JHPs. Way too much penetrating power to be effective. In fact, this would be a dangerous load to use, as it would increase the chance of harming innocent people. missing would be far more likely. please drop the too-much-penetrating crap as a danger to others please

November 29, 2014, 02:08 PM	#29
sthomper Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 164	The reason the 125 grain bullets garner such favor is that the heavier bullets consume too much powder space to give maximum muzzle energy............isnt maximum muzzle energy already done?? the bullet goes as fast as it can go.

December 1, 2014, 03:09 AM	#33
sthomper Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 164	i fired the 110 gr / 1295 fps sjhp winchesther from a taurus 65 4" these were much milder than some pmc 158gr/1200fps rounds and much more accurate for me. i think the spec on the winchester 110 is the same as the rem 110 sjhp as far as velocity. a youtube gel demo on the winchesters show very impressive wound channel from, 2 to 4 inches in and then a narrow channel to about 9 inches in. expansion was right near ,6 inches so perhaps a little less diameter than super bullets but after seeing how comfy and accuratte they were for me i would certainly keep these as a defence rounds. i hope these stay around and remian cheaper

December 1, 2014, 05:01 PM	#36
NoirFan Member Join Date: July 25, 2006 Posts: 97	The OP was a looong time ago but I assume that he was asking about the Winchester 110gr @ 1300 FPS that you can find at Wal Mart. I am not a fan of this load, at all. First of all, it shoots very low. I have to crank up my rear sight pretty far for these rounds. Secondly, it was not accurate for me; heavier weight bullets shot much more consistently out of my K-frame. The final reason is that shooting that light load from a heavy .357 magnum revolver is just inefficient; you may as well switch to a full sized 9mm pistol and have 15+ rounds of similar performance, instead of only 6. My feeling is that if you are going to defend yourself with a big, heavy service revolver with limited capacity, then each round fired from the gun should take full advantage of the caliber. I think the recoil from full power 125gr and heavier loads is very controllable and sort of overrated in online gun talk.

December 1, 2014, 07:30 PM	#37
Metalboy Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2014 Location: SE. Wisconsin. Posts: 327	I have a Colt trooper MK3 4" barrel, and a Python with 6" barrel. I loaded them with 110 grain, because that was the only one I could buy last time....Otherwise I prefer the 158 grains in this caliber.

December 1, 2014, 07:53 PM	#38
TraumaRN Member Join Date: June 27, 2014 Posts: 46	I would expect less expansion but deeper penetration with a 2" barrel given bullet design is probably with a 4" barrel's length in mind for stated velocity but without gel testing I cannot confirm. Head, neck or center of mass bullet placement would most likely result in a fatality.

December 2, 2014, 08:08 PM	#39
MR.G Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2001 Posts: 641	I wouldn't have a problem using a .357 110gr HP in a short barrel revolver for SD.

December 3, 2014, 11:04 PM	#40
Doc Holliday 1950 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2014 Location: Bout as south as it gets Posts: 1,238	Taurus M605 I am not an expert. I too have a 2" 357 MAG REVOLVER. I DON'T LIKE SAYING THIS, BUT YOU HAVE TO BUY A COUPLE of boxes of different ammo and see what you can handle and like. If you are using this as your primary home or outside defense you really have to test all your options. It doesn't matter what the group says. All that matters is what you shoot the best and for what reason you are arming yourself.

December 4, 2014, 09:59 PM	#41
stormyone Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2005 Location: midwest Posts: 532	Lighter loads lack penetration. This is especially important if you are shooting light loads out of short barrels. Lots of people think faster velocity light loads = deeper penetration. That's untrue. What actually happens is the lighter load will break up before getting the needed penetration. Heavier loads penetrate deeper. If you are shooting out of a short barrel, you'll want heavier loads. There was a tacticalfirearms article a few years back where Speer representatives stated that for 9mm loads, if you were shooting out of shorter barrels that they recommended 147 gr or 124+P loads to achieve sufficient penetration.