Graf & Sons

Shootest · February 22, 2011, 09:57 AM

I recently purchased primers from Graf & Sons and checked the box for delivery by UPS. I don’t know why I picked UPS, probably because I always see the damn brown trucks everywhere. Subtotal came to $159.74 for 6,000 primers. Shipping from Grafs is always free but they charge $4.95 handling ($0 handling if you use promotional code BLUE) Plus UPS Haz-mat charge of $25.00 for a grand total of $184.74. Or $30.79 per thousand primers, not bad considering the price just 6 months ago.
Then an amazing thing happened, a representative of Grafs called me saying that FedEx only charges $15.00 Haz-mat and that would save me $10. I was impressed, they did not have to do that, could have just shipped it, but they took the time to save me money. I will be buying from them again. Also I would like to thank Dillon for the promotional code BLUE, every little bit helps. $29.13/k primers shipped, I haven’t seen that in a while.

Waldog · February 22, 2011, 10:04 AM

I buy most everything related to reloading from Grafs. They are a CLASS ACT.

jaguarxk120 · February 22, 2011, 10:05 AM

In many different post across the internet it seems that ups is not the best way to ship anything gun related.

I've read of broken stocks, damaged guns, packages that look like they went around the wold in a tramp steamer!!

No way wil I use ups for anything.

Saltydog235 · February 22, 2011, 11:04 AM

Had some bullets shipped by a supplier that rhymes with Midway by UPS. Now I live near Myrtle Beach, SC. The bullets came here, got on a truck to be delivered to my home and after a week were then in Cerritos, CA. It took them another 2 weeks to get them to me, 4.5 weeks total. UPS wasn't much of a help and Midway tried to lie to me or make excuses about weather delays until I called BS on it but still wouldn't cancel or refund my money. No I try to avoid both of them, I like Midway normally but being lied to rubs me the wrong way. PV and Graf have been getting the bulk of my business and will continue to for a while.

zippy13 · February 22, 2011, 12:59 PM

>In many different post across the internet it seems that ups is not the best way to ship...

AMEN!
Last week I sent a trigger, hammer and sear in a double padded envelope (5-oz) using First Class mail. Since I used USPS software to generate a bar-coded shipping label, the package was tracked and delivered in 48-hours. All this for for less than $2.00! UPS can't come close to that.

IIRC, if you watch for specials, Graf and Sons will pay the hazmat fee if your order is large enough.

jaguarxk120 · February 22, 2011, 01:22 PM

Zippy years ago I used to buy a custom 22 varment bullet, the maker would ship using the flat rate envelope. It's a good thing the mailman has a truck, 2000 55grain bullets add up to a weighty package.

rdmallory · February 22, 2011, 02:25 PM

Around here Fedex is all contractors and more than one they have not delivered due to weather concerns. UPS, Mail, school buses but FEDX shows weather delay. I called the office and dispatch tells me the contractor called in and that he thought the roads were going to be too bad. So my package that was to be delivered on Friday Shows up on Tuesday.

Doug

zippy13 · February 22, 2011, 06:04 PM

XK120,
Missouri Bullets has this in their shipping options info page:

Flat Rate Priority Shipping
We offer USPS flat-rate shipping at the rate of $13.00 per 65 lbs., which works out to 2,000 bullets for all bullets weighing less than 240 grains. We also have 3,000-count bullet bundles for bullets weighing under 150 grains which ship for this same amount.

beex215 · February 23, 2011, 12:16 AM

ill take fedex on haz mats in the future

c.robertson · February 23, 2011, 09:57 AM

FEX-X shipping is cheaper across the board on everything, not just shooting stuff.

jb683 · February 24, 2011, 03:56 PM

I wanted to ship some brass cases to a forum member and UPS would not ship them unless I went to a main distribution center, just because it had something to do with a firearm. Just brass cases. Ended up shiping USPS with no problems.

MOshooter65202 · February 24, 2011, 06:20 PM

+1 on Graf and Sons
I have been going there since the late 60's where my Dad bought all of his reloading supplies way back before they had the mail order business. One of my friends from school is the general manager of Grafs

CrustyFN · February 24, 2011, 06:50 PM

I buy a lot from Graf's, they are great people to deal with.

benzuncle · February 24, 2011, 08:17 PM

I've had the best results with UPS and USPS. I've purchased from Grafs with good results. But I don't buy any products that have to charge a HAZ MAT fee to ship. From anyone. I am fortunate enough to be near a gun show where powders are $20-22lb and around $26 for small and large pistol primers. These prices are cash w/tax included. The only drawback is that I have to shell out $9 to get into the show, but for that I get to poke around and see what's cookin'.

February 22, 2011, 09:57 AM	#1
Shootest Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: Just outside Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 722	Graf & Sons I recently purchased primers from Graf & Sons and checked the box for delivery by UPS. I don’t know why I picked UPS, probably because I always see the damn brown trucks everywhere. Subtotal came to $159.74 for 6,000 primers. Shipping from Grafs is always free but they charge $4.95 handling ($0 handling if you use promotional code BLUE) Plus UPS Haz-mat charge of $25.00 for a grand total of $184.74. Or $30.79 per thousand primers, not bad considering the price just 6 months ago. Then an amazing thing happened, a representative of Grafs called me saying that FedEx only charges $15.00 Haz-mat and that would save me $10. I was impressed, they did not have to do that, could have just shipped it, but they took the time to save me money. I will be buying from them again. Also I would like to thank Dillon for the promotional code BLUE, every little bit helps. $29.13/k primers shipped, I haven’t seen that in a while. __________________ The private ownership of firearms is an American Heritage. Anyone who disputes that is Anti-American and unpatriotic. NRA Life Member

February 22, 2011, 10:04 AM	#2
Waldog Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2007 Location: SOCAL Posts: 359	I buy most everything related to reloading from Grafs. They are a CLASS ACT. __________________ I am the Christian Conservative that CNN warned you about!! “Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.” Winston Churchill

February 22, 2011, 06:04 PM	#8
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	XK120, Missouri Bullets has this in their shipping options info page: Flat Rate Priority Shipping We offer USPS flat-rate shipping at the rate of $13.00 per 65 lbs., which works out to 2,000 bullets for all bullets weighing less than 240 grains. We also have 3,000-count bullet bundles for bullets weighing under 150 grains which ship for this same amount.

February 24, 2011, 06:50 PM	#13
CrustyFN Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 2,258	I buy a lot from Graf's, they are great people to deal with. __________________ I don't ever remember being absent minded.

February 22, 2011, 10:05 AM	#3
jaguarxk120 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,620	In many different post across the internet it seems that ups is not the best way to ship anything gun related. I've read of broken stocks, damaged guns, packages that look like they went around the wold in a tramp steamer!! No way wil I use ups for anything.

February 22, 2011, 11:04 AM	#4
Saltydog235 Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2010 Location: Pawleys Island Posts: 1,563	Had some bullets shipped by a supplier that rhymes with Midway by UPS. Now I live near Myrtle Beach, SC. The bullets came here, got on a truck to be delivered to my home and after a week were then in Cerritos, CA. It took them another 2 weeks to get them to me, 4.5 weeks total. UPS wasn't much of a help and Midway tried to lie to me or make excuses about weather delays until I called BS on it but still wouldn't cancel or refund my money. No I try to avoid both of them, I like Midway normally but being lied to rubs me the wrong way. PV and Graf have been getting the bulk of my business and will continue to for a while.

February 22, 2011, 12:59 PM	#5
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	>In many different post across the internet it seems that ups is not the best way to ship... AMEN! Last week I sent a trigger, hammer and sear in a double padded envelope (5-oz) using First Class mail. Since I used USPS software to generate a bar-coded shipping label, the package was tracked and delivered in 48-hours. All this for for less than $2.00! UPS can't come close to that. IIRC, if you watch for specials, Graf and Sons will pay the hazmat fee if your order is large enough.

February 22, 2011, 01:22 PM	#6
jaguarxk120 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,620	Zippy years ago I used to buy a custom 22 varment bullet, the maker would ship using the flat rate envelope. It's a good thing the mailman has a truck, 2000 55grain bullets add up to a weighty package.

February 22, 2011, 02:25 PM	#7
rdmallory Senior Member Join Date: February 10, 2009 Location: Deltona FL Posts: 953	Around here Fedex is all contractors and more than one they have not delivered due to weather concerns. UPS, Mail, school buses but FEDX shows weather delay. I called the office and dispatch tells me the contractor called in and that he thought the roads were going to be too bad. So my package that was to be delivered on Friday Shows up on Tuesday. Doug

February 23, 2011, 12:16 AM	#9
beex215 Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2010 Posts: 317	ill take fedex on haz mats in the future

February 23, 2011, 09:57 AM	#10
c.robertson Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2009 Location: Grain Valley Mo. Posts: 102	FEX-X shipping is cheaper across the board on everything, not just shooting stuff.

February 24, 2011, 03:56 PM	#11
jb683 Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: Garner NC Posts: 66	I wanted to ship some brass cases to a forum member and UPS would not ship them unless I went to a main distribution center, just because it had something to do with a firearm. Just brass cases. Ended up shiping USPS with no problems.

February 24, 2011, 06:20 PM	#12
MOshooter65202 Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2011 Posts: 471	+1 on Graf and Sons I have been going there since the late 60's where my Dad bought all of his reloading supplies way back before they had the mail order business. One of my friends from school is the general manager of Grafs

February 24, 2011, 08:17 PM	#14
benzuncle Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 357	I've had the best results with UPS and USPS. I've purchased from Grafs with good results. But I don't buy any products that have to charge a HAZ MAT fee to ship. From anyone. I am fortunate enough to be near a gun show where powders are $20-22lb and around $26 for small and large pistol primers. These prices are cash w/tax included. The only drawback is that I have to shell out $9 to get into the show, but for that I get to poke around and see what's cookin'.