The Firing Line...Too Politically Correct?

njoelhickson · July 6, 2001, 07:31 PM

This is only my second post to The Firing Line. I heard on another list that this site is very politically correct. Knowing one of the moderators I tend to disbelieve. What do you all think?

July 6, 2001, 07:34 PM

The Firing Line has to be the best RKBA site I have seen. You can discuss any legal RKBA topic here. Threads are only locked if they are inappropriate, off topic, offensive, or discussing illegal activity. I give Rich two thumbs up.

mzanghetti · July 6, 2001, 08:34 PM

You are actually joking and don't mean this seriously right? The only thing politically correct around this place is... is... is :barf:
Well OK that is just what I think of political correctness!

**Bud Helms** · July 6, 2001, 08:57 PM

This board enforces it's posted rules and policies. Very consistently, I might add. Grownups here.

**Rich Lucibella** · July 6, 2001, 09:20 PM

What Sensop said....
Actually, there are a whole bunch of written and unwriitten rules around here:
- You may not flame a Member's religion, political persuasion, personality or mental agility....but you may take issue with their thought process or logic.
- You may not promote illegal activity....but you can tell your CongressCitters to "Bite Me"....and suggest that Treason is a Capital Offense.
- You may not spam the board with advertising messages, but you can post wares for sale in the buy/sell forums.
- You may not post your views about abortion, but you can do everything else in your power to make this nation's children safe.
- You may not paint an entire group of our citizen-cops as NeoNazi's....but you can point to specific instances in which LEO's should be tried and jailed.
- You may post something that you'll later regrest, but you can not expect us to remove those words once you've calmed down........

Actually, there's lots more "politically correct" rules around here....but they're all covered under the concept of "civil discourse" as taught by our parents. That probably rules out 80% of the population.

Welcome to TFL, njoe.....I've got a strong feeling you'll be a keeoer!
Rich Lucibella

**Mal H** · July 6, 2001, 09:21 PM

In reality, we are just about as politically correct as it is possible to get. The problem is that that term has come to mean something different these days. Our politics and ideas on politics and politicians is spot on correct.

**Mike Irwin** · July 6, 2001, 09:56 PM

If, by politically correct, you mean we don't call each other %$(*&$)9 or (%*^()&$)(&^% or someone's mother a )(*^$()$*& of &*$OP*%)^% and the horse she %)&^%*_(&$# in on, that doesn't mean we're politically correct.

It means that we can, for the most part, frame arguments, rebuttals, and points with logical, cogent thoughts instead of reverting to an exercise in "who can put the most F-words in a single sentence."

I've visited some of the other "unpolitically correct" forums. I've found the profanity to be expansive (and I'm a pretty profane guy!) and cogent thought processes to be sadly lacking.

I'll be the first to admit that I've had my chain yanked a couple of times when I've gotten out of hand, and I'll also be the first to admit that it was entirely appropriate for me to be castigated.

Do I feel that I've been stepped on by the politcal correctness police?

Nope.

Do I feel like I've had my "First Amendment Rights" violated? Don't make me laugh, that's not even an issue on a private, non-governmentally regulated board.

Do I feel like I've broken the established forum policies and rules? Well, maybe not EVERY time, but hey, I can live with that.

I think that there are a lot of people who simply can't recognize the difference between civil and polite discourse and political correctness. They are not related.

**Bud Helms** · July 6, 2001, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Mike Irwin:

Quote:

"... there are a lot of people who simply can't recognize the difference between civil and polite discourse and political correctness. "

That is a sad fact.

LawDog · July 7, 2001, 02:49 AM

Njoelhickson, welcome to The Firing Line. Glad to have you aboard.

We have had some spirited discussions here, and there is no doubt that we will have many more. (An afternoon's use of the 'Search' function will turn up some real humdingers.

)

What some people refer to as 'political correctness' or 'infringing on the First Amendment' is our preference for civilized and courteous debate. Simply put, we ask that subjects be debated as if someones 94 year-old grandparent or six year-old child is reading the threads.

Again, welcome to TFL.

LawDog

Jason Demond · July 7, 2001, 04:05 PM

No TFL ie really not! You can have a great time without porno, swear words, and flame wars. AR15.com had become real bad when some members started posting sick pornography that went way over the line, I mean some super vile crap that would make most normal people sick to the stomach. Needless to say they have kicked the offenders and somewhat cleaned up the board.

Bottom line is that TFL is the best forum online and the Staff does what's right to keep it that way!

C.R.Sam · July 7, 2001, 05:23 PM

PC....NO. Civility....YES
A class act in spite of some of us...............Sam

njoelhickson · July 8, 2001, 11:40 AM

Sounds like I will like it here. I have been over at Frugal Squirrel for several years and figured I would give The Firing Line a try as well. I have an old friend who is a moderator on one of the boards. He recommended it a while ago.

George Hill · July 8, 2001, 01:19 PM

I have never been accused of being politically correct...
Don't think I ever will.

Coinneach · July 8, 2001, 02:43 PM

Nathan,

Glad you managed to stumble into this nest-o-snakes.

Guys, Mr Hickson is one of those damn head-in-the-clouds almost-got-Gore-elected Loonitarians (like someone else you know). He's a soldier, a family man, and one of the few people I'd want beside me in a jackpot situation.

njoelhickson · July 10, 2001, 12:05 PM

Ken! It's good to hear from you. And I would be proud to back you up in a firefight any day.

Have you heard who hopes to run for governer next year as a Libertarian? Bob Glass. He is not just a talker..but a doer as well.

I'll support him!

In Liberty,

Nathan

RobW · July 10, 2001, 06:55 PM

What this TFL makes different is, that about 99 per cent of the members have COMMON SENSE, something that got lost in the last ten years.

Instead of MOLON LABE, I will pray that our nation comes again to its senses and say in plain English: COMMON SENSE

I cherish all soldiers that gave their lives and health in the Revolution-, Civil-, WW I-, WW II-, Korea-, Vietnam- and other wars.

America is a great Nation and WE WILL VOTE ALL THE CROOKS OUT OF OFFICE.

RWK · July 11, 2001, 09:30 PM

What my friends Sam, Mike and George said!

I have been accused of many things, but "PC" certainly is not one of them. However, respect, civility, honest interchange of ideas, and sharing of knowledge all abound on TFL, for which I am profoundly grateful.

Don Gwinn · July 13, 2001, 11:41 AM

How did I know that if somebody comes up wondering if TFL of all places is too P.C., and he has a friend among the mods, that friend would have to be Coinneach?

thumbtack · July 13, 2001, 03:21 PM

I prefer to describe this site as proper and respectful and not PC.

July 6, 2001, 07:31 PM	#1
njoelhickson Junior Member Join Date: July 6, 2001 Location: Colorado Springs, CO. Posts: 10	The Firing Line...Too Politically Correct? This is only my second post to The Firing Line. I heard on another list that this site is very politically correct. Knowing one of the moderators I tend to disbelieve. What do you all think? __________________ Where would we be today if only Miller had shown up for his court date?

July 6, 2001, 08:34 PM	#3
mzanghetti Member Join Date: February 12, 2000 Location: Groton, CT Posts: 68	Too politically Correct? You are actually joking and don't mean this seriously right? The only thing politically correct around this place is... is... is :barf: Well OK that is just what I think of political correctness! __________________ Mark Zanghetti U.S.A.F. 1981-1985 http://www.thewebcorner.net Absurdum est ut alios regat, qui seipsum regere nescit.

July 6, 2001, 09:20 PM	#5
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	What Sensop said.... Actually, there are a whole bunch of written and unwriitten rules around here: - You may not flame a Member's religion, political persuasion, personality or mental agility....but you may take issue with their thought process or logic. - You may not promote illegal activity....but you can tell your CongressCitters to "Bite Me"....and suggest that Treason is a Capital Offense. - You may not spam the board with advertising messages, but you can post wares for sale in the buy/sell forums. - You may not post your views about abortion, but you can do everything else in your power to make this nation's children safe. - You may not paint an entire group of our citizen-cops as NeoNazi's....but you can point to specific instances in which LEO's should be tried and jailed. - You may post something that you'll later regrest, but you can not expect us to remove those words once you've calmed down........ Actually, there's lots more "politically correct" rules around here....but they're all covered under the concept of "civil discourse" as taught by our parents. That probably rules out 80% of the population. Welcome to TFL, njoe.....I've got a strong feeling you'll be a keeoer! Rich Lucibella __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

July 6, 2001, 09:56 PM	#7
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,379	If, by politically correct, you mean we don't call each other %$(&$)9 or (%^()&$)(&^% or someone's mother a )(^$()$& of &$OP%)^% and the horse she %)&^%*_(&$# in on, that doesn't mean we're politically correct. It means that we can, for the most part, frame arguments, rebuttals, and points with logical, cogent thoughts instead of reverting to an exercise in "who can put the most F-words in a single sentence." I've visited some of the other "unpolitically correct" forums. I've found the profanity to be expansive (and I'm a pretty profane guy!) and cogent thought processes to be sadly lacking. I'll be the first to admit that I've had my chain yanked a couple of times when I've gotten out of hand, and I'll also be the first to admit that it was entirely appropriate for me to be castigated. Do I feel that I've been stepped on by the politcal correctness police? Nope. Do I feel like I've had my "First Amendment Rights" violated? Don't make me laugh, that's not even an issue on a private, non-governmentally regulated board. Do I feel like I've broken the established forum policies and rules? Well, maybe not EVERY time, but hey, I can live with that. I think that there are a lot of people who simply can't recognize the difference between civil and polite discourse and political correctness. They are not related. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

July 7, 2001, 02:49 AM	#9
LawDog Staff Emeritus Join Date: September 15, 1999 Location: Where am I going? Why am I in this handbasket? Posts: 4,194	Njoelhickson, welcome to The Firing Line. Glad to have you aboard. We have had some spirited discussions here, and there is no doubt that we will have many more. (An afternoon's use of the 'Search' function will turn up some real humdingers. ) What some people refer to as 'political correctness' or 'infringing on the First Amendment' is our preference for civilized and courteous debate. Simply put, we ask that subjects be debated as if someones 94 year-old grandparent or six year-old child is reading the threads. Again, welcome to TFL. LawDog __________________ "The Father wove the skein of your life a long time ago. Go and hide in a hole if you wish, but you won't live one instant longer." --The 13th Warrior Bona na Croin The LawDog Files

July 6, 2001, 07:34 PM	#2
PreserveFreedom Guest Posts: n/a	The Firing Line has to be the best RKBA site I have seen. You can discuss any legal RKBA topic here. Threads are only locked if they are inappropriate, off topic, offensive, or discussing illegal activity. I give Rich two thumbs up.

July 6, 2001, 08:57 PM	#4
Bud Helms Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 1999 Location: Middle Georgia, USA Posts: 13,198	This board enforces it's posted rules and policies. Very consistently, I might add. Grownups here.

July 6, 2001, 09:21 PM	#6
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,947	In reality, we are just about as politically correct as it is possible to get. The problem is that that term has come to mean something different these days. Our politics and ideas on politics and politicians is spot on correct.

July 7, 2001, 04:05 PM	#10
Jason Demond Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 1999 Location: Mivonks, Michigan Posts: 1,846	No TFL ie really not! You can have a great time without porno, swear words, and flame wars. AR15.com had become real bad when some members started posting sick pornography that went way over the line, I mean some super vile crap that would make most normal people sick to the stomach. Needless to say they have kicked the offenders and somewhat cleaned up the board. Bottom line is that TFL is the best forum online and the Staff does what's right to keep it that way! __________________ "ACCEPT NOTHING LESS THAN FULL VICTORY!" General Dwight D. Eisenhower June 6, 1944 ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ! Last edited by Jason Demond; July 7, 2001 at 04:41 PM.

July 7, 2001, 05:23 PM	#11
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	PC....NO. Civility....YES A class act in spite of some of us...............Sam

July 8, 2001, 11:40 AM	#12
njoelhickson Junior Member Join Date: July 6, 2001 Location: Colorado Springs, CO. Posts: 10	Sounds like I will like it here. I have been over at Frugal Squirrel for several years and figured I would give The Firing Line a try as well. I have an old friend who is a moderator on one of the boards. He recommended it a while ago. __________________ Where would we be today if only Miller had shown up for his court date?

July 8, 2001, 01:19 PM	#13
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	I have never been accused of being politically correct... Don't think I ever will. __________________ MAD OGRE

July 8, 2001, 02:43 PM	#14
Coinneach Staff Alumnus Join Date: February 23, 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,272	Nathan, Glad you managed to stumble into this nest-o-snakes. Guys, Mr Hickson is one of those damn head-in-the-clouds almost-got-Gore-elected Loonitarians (like someone else you know). He's a soldier, a family man, and one of the few people I'd want beside me in a jackpot situation. __________________ "A government is simply a body of men, usually notably ungoverned." - Shepherd Derrial Book

July 10, 2001, 12:05 PM	#15
njoelhickson Junior Member Join Date: July 6, 2001 Location: Colorado Springs, CO. Posts: 10	Ken! It's good to hear from you. And I would be proud to back you up in a firefight any day. Have you heard who hopes to run for governer next year as a Libertarian? Bob Glass. He is not just a talker..but a doer as well. I'll support him! In Liberty, Nathan __________________ Where would we be today if only Miller had shown up for his court date?

July 10, 2001, 06:55 PM	#16
RobW Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2000 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 256	What this TFL makes different is, that about 99 per cent of the members have COMMON SENSE, something that got lost in the last ten years. Instead of MOLON LABE, I will pray that our nation comes again to its senses and say in plain English: COMMON SENSE I cherish all soldiers that gave their lives and health in the Revolution-, Civil-, WW I-, WW II-, Korea-, Vietnam- and other wars. America is a great Nation and WE WILL VOTE ALL THE CROOKS OUT OF OFFICE.

July 11, 2001, 09:30 PM	#17
RWK Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 1999 Location: Occupied Virginia Posts: 2,777	njoelhickson . . . I trust you are joking What my friends Sam, Mike and George said! I have been accused of many things, but "PC" certainly is not one of them. However, respect, civility, honest interchange of ideas, and sharing of knowledge all abound on TFL, for which I am profoundly grateful. __________________ __________________ Μολών λαβέ!

July 13, 2001, 11:41 AM	#18
Don Gwinn Staff Emeritus Join Date: March 9, 2000 Location: Virden, IL Posts: 5,917	How did I know that if somebody comes up wondering if TFL of all places is too P.C., and he has a friend among the mods, that friend would have to be Coinneach?

July 13, 2001, 03:21 PM	#19
thumbtack Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2001 Location: Garland, Texas Posts: 724	I prefer to describe this site as proper and respectful and not PC. __________________ Nothing to see here, move along.

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