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January 28, 2013, 08:48 AM | #26 | |
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Thankfully at my range no one was hurt; the worst thing I have ever seen there is when someone pointed a fully loaded wheel gun at me while showing it off to his buddies.
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January 28, 2013, 09:30 AM | #27 |
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I remember I took a buddy of mine who was in the National Guard to the range so she could have the opportunity to shoot handguns. I "assumed" that she would have good range etiquette and safety procedures. Wrong! She was waving and flagging the weapons all over. Now, after serving in both the active and reserve components I thought this may happen. So, everything she did with those guns unloaded I asked her to tell me what she was doing. This kept her focused on the weapon.
I could not believe it when she said flagging did not matte as the gun was not loaded. Golden Rule for all shooters "Treat all firearms as loaded." Accidents don't just happen, accidents are caused. There is simply no excuse IMO for an accidental discharge due to sloppy safety procedures by firearms user. I never keep guns ready to fire in the home unless it is a revolver. My first line of defense and warning is the dog. Hopefully that will give me the few seconds I will need to get my carry gun into operation.
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January 28, 2013, 09:44 AM | #28 |
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You could infer that the accidental shooter had non-existent trigger-finger training. (and several other deficiencies as well)
That's the single biggest thing I see newbies doing wrong - finger on the trigger at the wrong time. Because your finger goes there so naturally..... Last training of a newbie I had her old the lower to my disassembled Glock with finger off the trigger to give it time to burn into her muscle memory that that is how you hold a gun. We'll see if that helped next time we go shooting. |
January 28, 2013, 09:53 AM | #29 | |
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January 28, 2013, 10:43 AM | #30 |
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Maybe it's a good time to stay away until the panic ends. Many new shooters so ranges better pay better attention to this influx of new shooter's before the News get their grubby fingers on accidents like this. Stay safe
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January 28, 2013, 10:50 AM | #31 |
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Much of my shooting is at a public range just a few minutes from the house. There are sometimes yayhoos who seem to immediately forget the safety they just watched (all new shooters have to watcha safety video). I haven't been since the GREAT PANIC OF OUGHT THIRTEEN but I am sure its full of them.
I'll probably be asked a bunch of questions again (this is fine), help out with a jam and or such and show the proper way (this is fine) get mad at people and getting the range guy if the'yre waiving pistols a little too close to the 180 (deal with it). But it will settle down. Some of those yayhoos will turn into good shooters and the sport will increase. |
January 28, 2013, 11:09 AM | #32 |
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Too bad the guy didn't have someone to walk him through basic gun safety before going to the range. Any time I take a new shooter out to the range we spend more time going through basic safety than anything else.
At a very minimum, read the manual that came with your new gun. About half of all new manuals cover gun safety. |
January 28, 2013, 11:12 AM | #33 | |
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That's why so much of these new gun control laws are so stupid. They will prevent nothing and the bad part they are supposed to prevent are already punishable under current law so what's the point? Unless the point is the next step in someones process.
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January 28, 2013, 11:15 AM | #34 |
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The range owner just called me. He said the guy was sitting in a row of chairs waiting to enter the range. He had his gun in his bag and reached in the bag and grabbed the gun to pull the slide and discharged the gun.The gun discharged through his bag, hitting other ammo, hearing protection and then grazed the ladies leg I mentioned in the original post. Totally negligence on the gun owners part. He said they were now going to implement a check in policy and strictly enforce the already existing rule of no guns out or unholstered in the lobby. They also blew up a picture of the guy and put it on the wall as a reminder that he is lifetime banned and not allowed to ever shoot there again. He also said with this he's made bigger signs stating these rules and there will be a 0 tolerance policy on it. If you remove your weapon or unholster in the lobby you will be removed and banned. If you need gun smith service they unpack and unload your weapon. Not you. I am glad they took a proactive approach and a serious tone to this. He was very appreciative for my feedback and input. I am enjoying the hobby and sport of shooting. I don't want things like this to ruin it. So I feel a little better about the situation.
It's killing me not to be able to mulit-quote.. lol however, the above poster is right.. if you read the stinking manual the 3 main rules is scattered through out on almost every page as well. |
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January 28, 2013, 11:37 AM | #36 |
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gaseousclay, I would have no problem with a range requiring new shooters (to their facility) to take a safety course in order to use the range. Frankly, that might be a good thing.
Having the government require safety training for ownership is another matter. Too much potential for abuse (fees, course scheduling issues, you name it) and not much evidence to show that training would make a significant difference. |
January 28, 2013, 11:45 AM | #37 |
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Hearing stories like this makes me glad I live 5 miles from the NRA range.
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January 28, 2013, 12:30 PM | #38 | |
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(Referring to post 38)
Good for you. From that, I can deduce that you had the money to pay any course fees DNR may have charged; you were able to obtain or provide your own transportation to wherever the course was held; you had no work nor family conflicts with the DNR course schedule. To some people, any one of those factors could put such a course out of their reach. |
January 28, 2013, 01:05 PM | #41 | |
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I think part of the problem is that there are some adults who think that taking a safety course is beneath them, or that they don't need training. people tend to get caught up in gun culture and just want to start shooting things and having fun. I get it. when I became interested in hunting I went out and bought a rifle almost immediately. but, after doing so I knew I had to take a firearm safety course if I was going to actually go hunting or handle a firearm. I know when my son is old enough to understand guns I will personally teach him firearm safety, but I will also enroll him in a safety course for good measure. |
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January 28, 2013, 01:12 PM | #42 |
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As I have noted in other posts, I am a fan of training, and for that matter am a certified instructor.
The problem I have with "mandatory training" is, as I noted above, it is just not feasible for some people. This is a matter of economics, not attitude. It may be money; it may be distance; it may be time. Any one could be an obstacle - and that is assuming the government entity responsible for the course does not deliberately set it up so people have trouble finding or attending a course. |
January 28, 2013, 01:24 PM | #43 |
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We all make mistakes, it is human nature. I've gotten my chops busted by the range personnel for forgetting to put my glasses back on and that could have meant, in the occasion that something went wrong with the gun, going blind.
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January 28, 2013, 01:51 PM | #44 |
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I'm with Joe Pike, find yourself a buddy with a nice chunk of land and leave the unsafety of your ranges. I support people learning how to shoot and defend themselves, but do it away from me
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I've seen trained LEO's have ND's. I had a competition shooter (and LEO) crank one off on a busy salesfloor. Another I know had one at home, in which the bullet traveled into his neighbor's house. A mandatory class won't solve basic irresponsibility.
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The range I go to most often (private indoor range) has absolutely no firearm or ammo handling in the lobby. It's a one strike and you're out rule. You can have it in a box, case or holster, but if it's in your hands...you're out. The only exception is when you are at the counter, and having an employee (gunsmith, or whatever) look at your gun, but even in that case, the employee clears it before letting you touch it.
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January 28, 2013, 03:20 PM | #48 | |
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It's just like new drivers, don't know what they are doing. This is why I wear BODY ARMOR LVL II W/2xtrama inserts. I once saw two women (21-26 in ages) rented some guns, one was a Glock 23 in 40 cal. I saw her finish shooting and hes like I am out. I saw her place it on teh table, she removed the magazine but the trigger was still forward, meaning round in chamer/slide never locked back. I told her that it was still loaded, and shes like what? me about now, I just sit back and watch. The younger friend picks it up and racks the slide and says, oh its loaded. |
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January 28, 2013, 08:04 PM | #49 |
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It was just an accident in which no one was seriously injured. Saying there is no excuse for it is like saying there is no excuse for getting in any kind of accident. The individual involved was certainly not using proper gun handling rules but I'm willing to bet that each and every one of us has at one time or another broken a gun safety rule. Hopefully this guy learned a valuable lesson and will never have it happen again.
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