September 29, 2010, 09:46 AM | #1 | |
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Pizza Hut SD Shooting
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...bandits-i.html
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So, do you have any fault with how this guy defended himself? Should he have pulled sooner rather than later? |
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September 29, 2010, 10:10 AM | #2 |
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I can't find any fault with anything he did. He's alive, 2 of 3 bad guys are dead and the third is probably cleaning the ca ca out of his under trou.
Now that the dust has settled, the delivery driver will likely be fired by Pizza Hut for violating their no firearms policy. My response is not to buy a Pizza Hut pizza ever again if they fire him, and to send an email to the corporate mailbox of Yum! Brands (parent) to let them know that this employee deserves a commendation and more ammunition. |
September 29, 2010, 10:45 AM | #3 |
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I am all for that.
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September 29, 2010, 10:49 AM | #4 |
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What DRESDEN2001 said. I would love to shake this guys hand.
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Favor, Please!
Anybody local to the Charlotte area, please keep us informed, especially if Pizza Hut Fires this guy.
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September 29, 2010, 11:02 AM | #6 |
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I would have pulled sooner, if I could. I'm not going to wait to be pistol whipped before I open fire.
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I, too, would have fire early, around the time I was asked to kneel in front of a person with a gun. At that point they had already showed no regard for my personal safety and I would have been expecting an execution-style killing. In MI it would have been lawful to shoot them when they first hit the delivery man (and probably when they first made clear their intent to rob the building).
I expect hellfire should Pizza Hut fire this guy. Especially after he showed restraint that very very few people have. I am failing to understand how one beaten and permanently scarred innocent employee and a successful robbery is a better policy than 2 dead robbers/convicted felons and an unsuccessful robbery.
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I am local and I will follow this story. Pizza Hut will probably fire him, but I am sure that's a minor issue to him. This story illustrates one of my robbery fears. Who knows if these guys would have been satisfied with just money....if you wait to find out then it's too late. |
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Pretty tough to argue with those results. The good guys won. This guy was put in a "kill or be killed" situation, through no fault of his own, and he took the only option that he had left. The robbers made the classic "fatal error in the victim selection process". Still, as has already been said, it will be a big surprise if Pizza Hut doesn't fire him. They should instead be giving him a promotion, a raise, and a long, paid vacation.
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This "Thugs targeting Pizza Hut" thing is getting pretty common. We just had a Pizza Hut delivery driver stabbed to death for less than 30 dollars in Omaha recently, and the Pizza Hut delivery driver that shot his attacker and was fired for it in Des Moines, Iowa (last year?) was supposed to be on the local morning radio this AM.....
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September 29, 2010, 11:20 AM | #12 |
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But...but...the two VICTIMS of this flagrant slaughter were in the process of turning their lives around. They were somebody's precious little babies once, and they hadn't even met all of the babies they had sired themselves due to the slowness of getting dozens of paternity test results back from the lab. Life is so unfair!
I have to say that I like the deliveryman's version of a "three strikes" law--three bullet strikes. Looks like there will be no more repeat-offending for those two dirtbags. As for his tactics, I think he was right to be compliant at first, especially since they "had the drop on him," outnumbered him, and didn't know that he was armed, but after he couldn't open the safe and they got aggravated, I think he should have acted far more quickly because the immediate danger to his life just increased exponentially at that point. Last edited by Manco; September 29, 2010 at 11:33 AM. |
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Even if he gets fired...
... unemployed and alive beats spousal benefits for a widow.
I'm amazed more convenience stores, pizza drivers, cabbies etc aren't packing. Back when I was in college, and driving pizzas, a fellow driver got robbed. At the time, we were using canvas bags to carry cans of soda, if sodas were ordered. He used his bag full of Coke cans to whack the robber in the head, then ran to his car and drove back to the store. Result: He got a reprimand. The company ditched the canvas bags, and instead got clear plastic sleeves, that were not strong enough to be used as weapons, in order to encourage us not to try to resist. He and I quit shortly thereafter. Next college job, I was working at a BP station. Never got robbed, but several stores within two blocks did. The McDonald's had a murder; turned out the robber/killer was an employee of the store. No gun policy at work. Decided I didn't need that job. But looking back, I should have been packing, then, policy or no. |
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Maybe Now the BGs will consider the consequences
Maybe Now the BGs will consider the consequences of their actions. Glad the man was able to walk away with his life. He most likely saved the life of the store manager. There are alot of people that carry weapons with and without CCP than one would think.
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Friend of mine was a prison guard...
... and we were talking once about a case where a trustee on a road work team attacked my friend over something stupid (my friend made him put out a cigarette, which the trustee thought of as a loss of face, so he attacked him from behind with a bush axe).
Luckily, I knew my friend from the dojo, where he'd started training because of a previous time, when he'd been attacked with a shiv, hadn't known what to do, froze up, and got stuck in the shoulder. So he heard the other prisoners react to the impending attack, turned, saw the trustee coming at him with the bush axe, and he executed a weapon takeaway our sensei had made us drill hundreds of times. End result, my buddy had the axe, and the trustee was KO'd. Where this ties in, though: I expressed some surprise that a trustee, somebody who'd earned relative freedom of movement, would attack a guard over something so petty. My friend said, "These guys aren't in there because they have good impulse control." |
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I was using this to add to the "when to fire" debate to say that in some localities there are added legal protections to people in situations like the delivery man was in.
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Here in Omaha, four teenagers called in a pizza order, and then stabbed the pizza guy to death for twenty five dollars.
http://www.omaha.com/article/20100914/NEWS97/709149896 |
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http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...y-slaying.html
just came on this other story while trying to get updates on my original story. I think this relates to my original story. It is a similar story from our part of the country and I think it is a a lesson in what can happen when you don't have means to protect yourself. Quote:
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He showed a lot of restraint, maybe due to his level of training? |
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September 29, 2010, 03:26 PM | #23 | |
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Anyway, my view is stores like Pizza Hut should reverse their policy. They should actually train employees (that want to participate) in firearms handling. Even help them get CCW license. I bet the robbery rate would go down...not up. Added: In light of this story, I am pleased that no stores in our area...not one that I know of.....has any handgun restrictions for patrons. This includes all of the major retail stores and restaurants. |
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Anyone know if they ever fired the guy?... I also wont use Pizza Hut again if they did.
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I have seen an alarming lack of news reporting in a certain Michigan city lately. The local News Company reports at least 1 murder in either Flint or Saginaw everyday. However, I recently met a guy who has a brother in the Saginaw County Sheriffs Dept. And he informed me that there are at least 3-5 murders each day in Saginaw alone. We all know you can't rely on the media for reliable information.....but come on. I guess they are simply trying to keep a lid on the true violence so the good folks don't all abandon ship at once.
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