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September 10, 2013, 03:06 PM | #26 |
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Maybe there is a different mindset in America. As you can't describe what made you see him as threatening its hard to make a judgment.
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September 10, 2013, 03:08 PM | #27 |
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People take profiling the wrong way. For some reason it's a very delicate topic and is always misunderstood.
Why do you feel you always have to point out the differences in America? We're all people. EDIT: However in Vermonter's case, I am not saying he was. Not my place to. I wasn't there. I didn't see or feel what his third eye did. Just responding to "manta49". Last edited by Tactical Jackalope; September 10, 2013 at 03:18 PM. |
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If any of you are a Schwarzenegger fan and watched 'Judgment Day', remember when the Terminator said, "Negative. The T-1000 will definitely try to reacquire you there."
And John Connor says, "You sure?" The Terminator says, "I would." Well thieves know where guns are banned and except for a few idiots they will go to places were they know you are unarmed. And at gun shows they know you are both unarmed and maybe have a unloaded gun with you. Same for gun ranges were there are no other people there (The Miami Shootout gunmen got some of their guns going to impromptu gun ranges and murdering the other people there, taking their guns and cars.) Cause, you see, if I was a bad guy and wanted a gun, well that is where I'd go! Deaf
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It's well researched that criminals have a sense of who will be a good victim. Based on gait, alertness, manner.
I don't think it unreasonable that a good person cannot have the same feel for a bad person based on similar factors.
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Those calling into question his choice of response are missing the big picture.
The hair on his neck was standing up, this guy was giving him the creeps not once, but twice. It doesn't matter what the description is. If that 6th sense is giving you alarm bells, you need to pay attention to it! The fact he continued to advance after being told to stop is emphasis to that point.
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September 10, 2013, 07:56 PM | #33 |
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6th sense
It was more like 12th sense twice so i guess that is 24. Both her and I felt it not once but twice. She drew her spray without a single word from me. The only instruction I gave was "get to the car fast. I matched her speed and there was no further confrontation.
I had an email convo with the promoter by the way. He assured me that there was security at the event and I didn't see them on purpose. He said they had been sweeping the parking lots but this must have been missed. Some of you know that I deal with the public at large professionally. I deal with over 100k people a year professionally. Chances are more than a few of them were unsavory characters of some variety if you believe in statistics. Bottom line is this guy makes my top 10 most creeped out ever list. I am trying to be a gentleman with regard to appearances. |
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It's like a bloodhound. Something just doesn't smell right.
It's in the way they do things as they approach. But I think also it's a parking lot. At a gun show. What would be the purpose in socializing there? Why not socialize in line to get in? Or in the coffee bar area? Or in the open arena? Why try to get alone with them out in the parking lot? And, if he knew what gun they bought ... he was tailing them, wasn't he? Without seeing the guy, just from this distance, something doesn't smell right to me. dc |
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September 11, 2013, 03:02 AM | #36 |
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Probably so.
It is probably for the same reasons as why many airports lie next to sewage treatment plants. Cheaper land, fewer complaining neighbors, and zoning restrictions. |
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In America it is considered bad form (violation of social norms) for someone to yell, "hey! you got a new Glock don't you" and proceed to jump out of the truck and advance. In America this is the "interview" prior to an assault and robbery. What is the alternate narrative to this story? The guy was a gunsmith offering his services in a parking lot? The guy was a hardcore Glock fan and even after fondling all the Glocks at the gun show he needed more feel-time in the parking lot? The guy was ATF and was checking to ensure a gun lock was sold with the firearm?
How did the guy know the OP purchased a Glock? The OP said the alleged perp was was leaving the show when the OP was walking in. Why was the perp hanging out in the lot? A stranger leaving their vehicle to approach someone in a parking lot isn't in and of itself odd? Next time, S&W 442 in a pocket holster Glad the OP had knife and spray. Quote:
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If the guy was that interested in Glock's, go inside and ask a dealer. It's not in the norm to yell across a parking lot to a random stranger about their recent gun purchase. People I know far better than strangers on the street don't even know I own firearms, why am I going to discuss it with some random stranger, especially while I am unarmed and holding my recent unloaded gun I just purchased. Last edited by Dragline45; September 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM. |
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That 6th sense...
... is a natural warning our physical systems have developed over eons. It's wise not to ignore it when it alarms.
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Similar happened to my Dad
Similar happened to my Dad a few years back. Coming out from a gun show and walking to his car three guys got on him and pushed him to the ground trying to grab his wallet. His pants held and they could not get it out before some onlookers began to yell. The bandits fled in their car with not getting the wallet. Seems that gun shows are a bit dangerous because bandits expect people may have money or guns to take.
Best bet is to wait to see you are not alone and that other people in the parking lot look safe, and have your car keys in hand. Yes, the very best is to have your other hand near your carry. Buck Last edited by michiganbuck; September 11, 2013 at 12:51 PM. |
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I don’t carry but..
I don’t carry but I am glad that many do. That makes it safer for everybody because the crooks, murders and thieves are a little less bold when they know some honest people also might have a gun.
About all one can do is protect yourself, your family and your property, seem like the rest is up for grabs. Buck Last edited by michiganbuck; September 11, 2013 at 02:47 PM. Reason: added last sentence. |
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Because I can only go on life experience and its not a reaction I have witnessed here. I would have thought if someone was going to attack or rob someone they wouldn't advertise it first.
This happens quite frequently. The predator often sizes up the potential prey first and tries to close the distance with a verbal distraction. Imagine coming out of a jewelry store with your wife or girlfriend and a guy in a parking garage bellowing: "Hey man, that's a new Rolex you got there?!!!" Let's also keep in mind that the US is a very large country with a large and diverse population (313 million+), many huge urban centers and 50 distinctly different states. It's not really a logical comparison to Northern Ireland. |
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manta49, did you see (or read) The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo?
If so, recall the scene where the intrepid reporter enters the house of his murder suspect, because he is socialized not to be so rude as to refuse the invitation. Muggers often start with a talkative approach, figuring (apparently) that a person too timid to refuse a conversation will also be too timid to resist the subsequent robbery. Such an approach also allows the mugger to abort the mugging, and claim he was just talking, or panhandling. |
September 11, 2013, 03:54 PM | #48 |
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watching at special events.
I went to a special event a few weeks ago. I won’t mention its name because I don’t want to draw and bad guy’s attention. This year there were hummers cruising around and some GIs with guns ready watching out for any people who did not fit the right profile.
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I know that all possible attackers are not the smartest but I am sure they are not all stupid as well.
Most aren't very bright but violence comes in many forms. A friend of mine was robbed at knife-point some years ago while delivering pizzas. The guy just walked up to him, stuck the blade up against his stomach and said "give me the money and the pie, holmes". Sounds almost funny now. |
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