Could this be my 45acp AH-HA moment?

steve1147 · February 16, 2012, 05:39 PM

I've been hitting the target fairly good with my GP-100 with homeload 38 specials for quite a while at 10 yards (157 gn home-cast bullet, 3.5 gn Bullseye powder) but with my SA 45, I was all over paper plate size with 230 gn LRN home-cast and 5.0 gn of Bullseye, same awful pattern with store-bought (a lot low-left) and many 'flyers'.
WELL, I ran out of Bullseye and had a can of Clays, so I loaded five 45's with 3.9 grains, they cycled good and had VERY noticeable less recoil and noise,
so I loaded and shot 50 more today, and to my surprise, I'm shooting these 'weak' loads almost as accurate as with the 38spl's. The chrony says they're travelling about 75fps slower than the Bullseye loads (avg 768 fps compared to 843 for Bullseye) but I feel so much more in control.
ALSO, after 50 rounds, all it took was a triple pass of a bore snake to make the barrel all nice and shiny again, NO lead residue and very little powder residue.
Anyone else tried this load? I am a small framed older guy with torn rotator cuffs in both shoulders, so my stance and strength is probably not the best for powerful loads.

m&p45acp10+1 · February 16, 2012, 06:28 PM

5.0 grains of Bulll's Eye sounds a bit warm to me. I push the 200 grain LSWC with 4.2 grains of it with exelent results.

kmaysob · February 16, 2012, 06:31 PM

^ what he said. if i remember correct im using 4.2 for mine as well.

Cascade1911 · February 16, 2012, 08:54 PM

230 gr. LRN, 4.7 gr of Bullseye is my happy place.

medic15al · February 16, 2012, 10:23 PM

4.7 Bullseye 200grn SWC here as well.

steve1147 · February 17, 2012, 08:37 AM

My Alliant Reloaders guide lists 230 gn Speer TMJ-RN @ 5.7 max, and a 200 gn. LSWC @ 4.6 max.
Guess my 5.0 is a little hot for the lead bullets, but not jacketed...would explain a lot of scrubbing to clean the barrel, huh?

rclark · February 17, 2012, 09:45 AM

I found in .45ACP, 5.0g Bullseye under 200g TC bullet very accurate in my Ruger .45 Convertible flattops. It is my go to load in this caliber. No leading either.

5.0g Bullseye, 200g TC, CCI-300, 911fps, 9 SD, 31 ES, 29 shots

.45 Vet · February 18, 2012, 03:39 PM

I've been using 4.grs of Bullseye under a cast 200gr SWC for years. Very mild recoil and accurate to 25yds for me. Some autos may require a softer spring.

Slamfire · February 18, 2012, 05:08 PM

If you found a load that shoots well stick with it.

If you want to try Bullseye again, cut your loads. A full power load above 800 fps will give me a flinch.

You can cut the 230 lead load way down with Bullseye and the pistol will still function.

I too found the H&G 68 200 LSWC a very accurate load at 4.0 grains Bullseye

Kimber Custom Classic M1911

Code:


200 LSWC 4.0 grs Bullseye Mixed cases WLP 		
21-Jun-06 T = 97 °F		
Ave Vel =	748.2		
Std Dev =	10.86			
ES =	41.52			
High =   	763.2			
Low =	721.7			
N =	22			
Mild recoil, very accurate, excellent target load. 


230 LFN Bull-X 3.5 grs Bullseye Mixed Brass WLP		
OAL 1.20"	taper crimp .469"
8-Jan-06	T = 61 °F
Ave Vel =	643.6				
Std Dev =	14.07			
ES =	63.63			
High = 	679.9		 		
Low =	616.3				
N =	32				 
      shot a little high Pistol cycled each shot



230 LFN Bull-X 4.0 grs Bullseye Mixed Brass WLP		
		
OAL 1.20"	taper crimp .469"
8-Jan-06	T = 61 °F

Ave Vel =	715.9				
Std Dev =	11.45			
ES =	48.32		 		
High = 	742.9		 		
Low =	694.8				
N =	32				 
shot a little low

					
230 gr LRN 4.0 grs Bullseye Mixed Brass WLP		
	
OAL 1.250"	 taper crimp .469"

29-Jan-06 T = 68  °F	
Ave Vel =	698.8				
Std Dev =	10.19		
ES =	36.33		 		
High = 	713.5				
Low =	677.1				
N =	28				 
Little High =  put close point of aim V. Accurate
		
230 gr LRN  4.5 grs Bullseye Mixed Brass WLP		
21-Jun-06 T = 97  °F	
OAL 1.250" taper crimp .469"	
Ave Vel = 805.2		
Std Dev =11.4		
ES=54.08		
High=836.9		 
Low=782.8		 
 N =32

February 16, 2012, 05:39 PM	#1
steve1147 Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2009 Location: Valles Mines, Missouri Posts: 142	Could this be my 45acp AH-HA moment? I've been hitting the target fairly good with my GP-100 with homeload 38 specials for quite a while at 10 yards (157 gn home-cast bullet, 3.5 gn Bullseye powder) but with my SA 45, I was all over paper plate size with 230 gn LRN home-cast and 5.0 gn of Bullseye, same awful pattern with store-bought (a lot low-left) and many 'flyers'. WELL, I ran out of Bullseye and had a can of Clays, so I loaded five 45's with 3.9 grains, they cycled good and had VERY noticeable less recoil and noise, so I loaded and shot 50 more today, and to my surprise, I'm shooting these 'weak' loads almost as accurate as with the 38spl's. The chrony says they're travelling about 75fps slower than the Bullseye loads (avg 768 fps compared to 843 for Bullseye) but I feel so much more in control. ALSO, after 50 rounds, all it took was a triple pass of a bore snake to make the barrel all nice and shiny again, NO lead residue and very little powder residue. Anyone else tried this load? I am a small framed older guy with torn rotator cuffs in both shoulders, so my stance and strength is probably not the best for powerful loads. __________________ Circa 1964: Rocky to Bullwinkle: "But that trick never works!" But Bullwinkle tries it anyway...again and again

February 16, 2012, 06:28 PM	#2
m&p45acp10+1 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 3,930	5.0 grains of Bulll's Eye sounds a bit warm to me. I push the 200 grain LSWC with 4.2 grains of it with exelent results. __________________ No matter how many times you do it and nothing happens it only takes something going wrong one time to kill you.

February 16, 2012, 10:23 PM	#5
medic15al Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2007 Location: Pell City, AL Posts: 123	4.7 Bullseye 200grn SWC here as well. __________________ NREMT-P AL State EMT-Paramedic ACLS, BTLS, PHTLS, 1991-2006

February 17, 2012, 08:37 AM	#6
steve1147 Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2009 Location: Valles Mines, Missouri Posts: 142	My Alliant Reloaders guide lists 230 gn Speer TMJ-RN @ 5.7 max, and a 200 gn. LSWC @ 4.6 max. Guess my 5.0 is a little hot for the lead bullets, but not jacketed...would explain a lot of scrubbing to clean the barrel, huh? __________________ Circa 1964: Rocky to Bullwinkle: "But that trick never works!" But Bullwinkle tries it anyway...again and again

February 17, 2012, 09:45 AM	#7
rclark Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Location: Butte, MT Posts: 2,622	I found in .45ACP, 5.0g Bullseye under 200g TC bullet very accurate in my Ruger .45 Convertible flattops. It is my go to load in this caliber. No leading either. 5.0g Bullseye, 200g TC, CCI-300, 911fps, 9 SD, 31 ES, 29 shots __________________ A clinger and deplorable, MAGA, and life NRA member. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Single Action .45 Colt (Sometimes colloquially referred to by its alias as the .45 'Long' Colt or .45LC). Don't leave home without it. That said, the .44Spec is right up their too... but the .45 Colt is still the king.

February 16, 2012, 06:31 PM	#3
kmaysob Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 2011 Posts: 188	^ what he said. if i remember correct im using 4.2 for mine as well.

February 16, 2012, 08:54 PM	#4
Cascade1911 Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2011 Location: Dutchess County, NY Posts: 450	230 gr. LRN, 4.7 gr of Bullseye is my happy place.

February 18, 2012, 03:39 PM	#8
.45 Vet Senior Member Join Date: May 21, 2004 Location: Western Penn. Posts: 387	I've been using 4.grs of Bullseye under a cast 200gr SWC for years. Very mild recoil and accurate to 25yds for me. Some autos may require a softer spring. __________________ For those who've never fought for it, the price of freedom shall never be known...