.327 Federal Club thread - Page 46

Real Gun · December 20, 2014, 08:40 AM

To each his own, for sure, but I have two Redhawks in 45 Colt, 4.25 and 5.5" barrels, and cannot picture them as having any sensible purpose in 327 Federal Magnum. As always, I speak for myself.

As far as recoil goes, that has become part of shooting for me, although I don't enjoy a mismatch of gun mass and caliber/load taking the fun out of shooting. I enjoy my fire breather 44 Magnum.

The SW 617 as a 10-shot 22 compared to the Redhawk in 327 is not a fair comparison, because the 22 has roots in competition. The gun has a purpose other than being something we don't own yet, compulsive about buying a specimen of the whole cataloging.

The 8 round, N-frame, 9mm S&W 929 gun is another goofy thing that is for and about competition. Who would carry that? My 9mm revolver is a Charter Arms Pitbull six shooter.

I might change my mind someday, but I prefer a carry revolver to be a six shooter. I will carry a little heavier gun to make that possible. Ironically, my favored carry is a SW 696 with 5 rounds of 44 S&W Special. I never carry an N-frame, so I accept that this medium sized, L-frame platform has its limitations.

With 327 Federal Magnum, I have the near perfect gun in the SP101 6-shot, which I would set aside in a heartbeat, if they came out with a 4" barrel version that was equally nice otherwise. I don't shoot a 3" gun nearly as well.

Joshua 2415 · December 20, 2014, 11:56 AM

A 4" Redhawk (or GP100) with 8-9 round capacity in 327 magnum is one of my dream guns.

farmboy · December 20, 2014, 08:10 PM

Quote:

If we're gonna make this happen, we've gotta snap at these limited runs, buy some factory ammo, take it out when you shoot with friends, and contact distributors and manufacturers about our interest. Let them smell some demand.

I've never really thought about it that way. I've just been smugly sitting back with my pile of brass, lead, reloading dies and bullet mold thinking I was really ahead of the curve.

The problem is, that attitude will eventually put me behind the curve. Unless I'm willing to fiscally support this fine cartridge, it will die out sooner than later.

I'm heading to midway to buy some ammo now. I don't need it, but I'll use the brass, and I'll add to the demand for the fine .327.

BillCA · December 21, 2014, 02:30 AM

I have a great interest in the .327 Mag, however right now the funds are lacking. That does not diminish my desire to obtain one in the future though.

So why put 8 shots of skinny .327 in a big honkin' wheelgun? A 5.5" to 7" barrel attached to a solid platform would make long range shooting of coyotes, prairie dogs, fox, raccoons and other pests much easier. And since many come in groups, having 8 shots gives you ample opportunity to score hits. It's more than a match for the old .32-20 which ranchers and farmers used for decades.

For those who hike in the woods or wilderness areas, the .327 has lot of potential with a longer barrel. Pushing a 100 grain pill at 1800 fps from a 6" tube gets you 719 ft-lbs of gee-whiz at the muzzle. At shorter ranges (up to 50 yards) that's certainly magnum-level performance. That kind of power makes it worth the extra weight.

The .327 was invented as a defensive cartridge for a 3" barrel and it has great potential as a fight-stopper. Longer barrels simply expand it's utility with the added advantage of being relatively economical to reload.

I am very surprised, given the comments, that no one has yet made a lever action carbine with a 16"-18" barrel as yet. This round begs for one. And reloaders would be happy as pigs in slop trying to optimize for a rifle. A nice light 16" carbine would make a nice camp rifle or ranch rifle.

TfflHndn · December 22, 2014, 04:14 PM

Took my Single Seven to the range this last weekend, and got several other shooters asking questions about it. One couple was trying to find something that the young lady liked better than a snappy .380 she has shot. They were shooting a GP100 with .38 rounds. I let her shoot the S7 with .32H&R loads in it, and she really liked it. They wanted to know where they could get one, and I told them. Spreadin' the word one range trip at a time!

A pause for the COZ · December 22, 2014, 06:22 PM

Farmboy... I suppose your right I should pony up for a couple boxes of 327 ammo. Most likely the only chance we may have to get that carbine..

I wonder what it would take to get a Rossi M92 converted to 327???
If it was a grand I may consider it as a one off.

farmboy · December 22, 2014, 10:57 PM

Just a few years ago, I cradled a Marlin 1894CB in .32 mag in my arms, pondering the purchase. I decided that spending just a few dollars north of $500 was too much.

I decided wrong.........

Cosmodragoon · December 22, 2014, 11:54 PM

I know that sturdy revolvers in .32 H&R magnum, like older Sp101s, can be converted to .327 Federal by a gunsmith. I seem to recall pressure concerns about doing this with carbines though. Are those concerns accurate?

FrankenMauser · December 23, 2014, 01:19 AM

Quote:

I seem to recall pressure concerns about doing this with carbines though. Are those concerns accurate?

That depends on the carbine in question. In general, it's not going to be an issue.

Adventurer 2 · January 10, 2015, 10:24 PM

Have dies, primers, bullets, and 500 pieces of 327 brass. Sadly no powder. Sigh, someday I'll load a 327 round.

Colorado Redneck · January 10, 2015, 10:36 PM

Adventurer---what kind of powder are you wanting for the .327?

Adventurer 2 · January 11, 2015, 04:16 AM

I'm looking for WS-231, Titegroup, or Accurate No 5. First time I've looked for powder in the last three years. I hope finding pistol powder isn't like finding rimfire ammo

LOLBELL · January 11, 2015, 08:14 AM

Right now, in this area, it is much harder to find pistol powder than 22 ammo.

Colorado Redneck · January 15, 2015, 10:48 PM

My gun shop guy recommended Prograde 32 H&R Mag ammo for something to try through my SP101 .327 Fed Mag. So I bought a box of 113 Gr. Hunting Grade cartridges and got to run some over the Chrony today. I don't hold that the F1 Shooting Chrony is calibrated perfectly, so your results may differ.

Only shot 5. Average velocity was about 1000 fps. That produces (according to JBM Calculators) about 250 ft. lb of muzzle energy. Here is the link to Prograde Ammo:
http://www.progradeammo.com/hunting-...mmunition.html

I was set up with the targets etc on the 100 yard range so just shot them into the dirt bank at the far end of the shooting lane. Have no idea about accuracy. The ammo would make a 5 inch barreled revolver a fairly decent round for self defense--however it is a hard cast lead flat nose bullet, so penetration would be the best feature. Better than the .380 ACP IMO.

Gdawgs · January 18, 2015, 09:33 AM

Went to the LGS yesterday and he has a Single 7. It's a real beauty and I'm really tempted. I want it!! It seems like a perfect platform for this round. Unfortunately funding isn't there right now since we are in the middle of adopting a kiddo. So that has kind of drained us financially. Hopefully these will still be available in a year or two. For now I'll have to stick with my SP101.

farmboy · January 18, 2015, 02:30 PM

How much for the Single 7?

Gdawgs · January 18, 2015, 04:01 PM

They had it marked at $529.

A pause for the COZ · January 18, 2015, 10:13 PM

Thats about the going rate right now.
I paid a bit more for mine. But thats because I was impatient and wanted mine right now.

I was not going to let this one get away like I did the Black Hawk version or The Charter Arms Bulldog 4 inch target version.
Still kicking my self for that one.
Could have got the Target Bulldog for $350 at one time.
Now good luck...

Magnum Wheel Man · February 4, 2015, 11:40 AM

I think those thinking lever carbines may have issues with the 327 cartridge length, if trying to shoehorn them into traditional pistol caliber carbines I'd think we may need to be looking at 30-30 / 32 Winchester rifles as the base for a custom...

a quick check shows plenty of 32 Winchester rifles for sale on Gun Broker, & 32 caliber handgun bullets at .312 & rifle bullets at .312, so the barrel would likely work without changing or re-lining... bolt face would need work, & likely the lifter... but don't see either as a deal breaker on building a 327 on a 32 Winchester???

ooops sorry... I was looking at the 32-20 rifle bullets... the 32 Winchester uses .322 - .323" bullets... so only levers in 32-20 would not require barrel work of some kind

A pause for the COZ · February 4, 2015, 11:53 AM

Getting them to fit into a lever action is not an issue.
All it would take for Rossi to chamber a M92 for 327 is the desire.
My M92 in 357 mag feeds them well enough. 327's would be just as simple.

Magnum Wheel Man · February 4, 2015, 12:00 PM

OK... I'm not ( yet ) a 327 guy... I assumed it was longer like a 357 max length, or at least longer than the standard cartridge length...

your picture helps out... so it's more like the comparison between 45 Colt & 454 Casull... most difference is just the pressure

A pause for the COZ · February 4, 2015, 12:25 PM

Yea pretty much.
The only issue that the 327 has is perception.
You can tell the manufactures really have no idea what they have and what its best use is.

Our numbers are not big enough to push the issue.
I really hope Lipsey is selling the crap out of the Single 7.
Because thats were the future of the 327 mag lies.
Small runs as an exclusive gun for a particular distributor.
A Lipsey exclusive Marlin 1894 in 327 Mag would be in my safe post haste.

BillCA · February 4, 2015, 10:00 PM

If Rossi is first to market, those wanting a .327 lever gun would be smart to buy them up quickly. Even if you don't like Rossi that much. You can bet that other manufacturers will be watching sales figures (from distributors) to gauge interest.

Cosmodragoon · February 5, 2015, 01:05 AM

Is the rifling in guns for .32 H&R Magnum or 32-20 optimal for .327?

McCarthy · February 16, 2015, 11:53 PM

Can I PLEASE have a 6" barrel stainless steel 7 shot S&W 686 chambered in .327?

Anybody willing to sell a GP100 meanwhile?

December 20, 2014, 08:40 AM	#1126
Real Gun Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2004 Location: SC Posts: 2,743	To each his own, for sure, but I have two Redhawks in 45 Colt, 4.25 and 5.5" barrels, and cannot picture them as having any sensible purpose in 327 Federal Magnum. As always, I speak for myself. As far as recoil goes, that has become part of shooting for me, although I don't enjoy a mismatch of gun mass and caliber/load taking the fun out of shooting. I enjoy my fire breather 44 Magnum. The SW 617 as a 10-shot 22 compared to the Redhawk in 327 is not a fair comparison, because the 22 has roots in competition. The gun has a purpose other than being something we don't own yet, compulsive about buying a specimen of the whole cataloging. The 8 round, N-frame, 9mm S&W 929 gun is another goofy thing that is for and about competition. Who would carry that? My 9mm revolver is a Charter Arms Pitbull six shooter. I might change my mind someday, but I prefer a carry revolver to be a six shooter. I will carry a little heavier gun to make that possible. Ironically, my favored carry is a SW 696 with 5 rounds of 44 S&W Special. I never carry an N-frame, so I accept that this medium sized, L-frame platform has its limitations. With 327 Federal Magnum, I have the near perfect gun in the SP101 6-shot, which I would set aside in a heartbeat, if they came out with a 4" barrel version that was equally nice otherwise. I don't shoot a 3" gun nearly as well. Last edited by Real Gun; December 21, 2014 at 07:08 AM.

December 21, 2014, 02:30 AM	#1129
BillCA Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, Ca Posts: 7,117	I have a great interest in the .327 Mag, however right now the funds are lacking. That does not diminish my desire to obtain one in the future though. So why put 8 shots of skinny .327 in a big honkin' wheelgun? A 5.5" to 7" barrel attached to a solid platform would make long range shooting of coyotes, prairie dogs, fox, raccoons and other pests much easier. And since many come in groups, having 8 shots gives you ample opportunity to score hits. It's more than a match for the old .32-20 which ranchers and farmers used for decades. For those who hike in the woods or wilderness areas, the .327 has lot of potential with a longer barrel. Pushing a 100 grain pill at 1800 fps from a 6" tube gets you 719 ft-lbs of gee-whiz at the muzzle. At shorter ranges (up to 50 yards) that's certainly magnum-level performance. That kind of power makes it worth the extra weight. The .327 was invented as a defensive cartridge for a 3" barrel and it has great potential as a fight-stopper. Longer barrels simply expand it's utility with the added advantage of being relatively economical to reload. I am very surprised, given the comments, that no one has yet made a lever action carbine with a 16"-18" barrel as yet. This round begs for one. And reloaders would be happy as pigs in slop trying to optimize for a rifle. A nice light 16" carbine would make a nice camp rifle or ranch rifle. __________________ BillCA in CA (Unfortunately)

December 22, 2014, 10:57 PM	#1132
farmboy Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 261	Just a few years ago, I cradled a Marlin 1894CB in .32 mag in my arms, pondering the purchase. I decided that spending just a few dollars north of $500 was too much. I decided wrong......... Last edited by farmboy; December 23, 2014 at 09:53 PM.

January 11, 2015, 08:14 AM	#1138
LOLBELL Senior Member Join Date: March 4, 2010 Location: Fayette AL Posts: 226	Right now, in this area, it is much harder to find pistol powder than 22 ammo. __________________ Don't squat with your spurs on!!

January 15, 2015, 10:48 PM	#1139
Colorado Redneck Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2008 Location: Northeast Colorado Posts: 1,993	32 H&R Mag chrony results Prograde Hunting My gun shop guy recommended Prograde 32 H&R Mag ammo for something to try through my SP101 .327 Fed Mag. So I bought a box of 113 Gr. Hunting Grade cartridges and got to run some over the Chrony today. I don't hold that the F1 Shooting Chrony is calibrated perfectly, so your results may differ. Only shot 5. Average velocity was about 1000 fps. That produces (according to JBM Calculators) about 250 ft. lb of muzzle energy. Here is the link to Prograde Ammo: http://www.progradeammo.com/hunting-...mmunition.html I was set up with the targets etc on the 100 yard range so just shot them into the dirt bank at the far end of the shooting lane. Have no idea about accuracy. The ammo would make a 5 inch barreled revolver a fairly decent round for self defense--however it is a hard cast lead flat nose bullet, so penetration would be the best feature. Better than the .380 ACP IMO.

December 20, 2014, 11:56 AM	#1127
Joshua 2415 Member Join Date: March 8, 2014 Posts: 82	A 4" Redhawk (or GP100) with 8-9 round capacity in 327 magnum is one of my dream guns.

December 22, 2014, 04:14 PM	#1130
TfflHndn Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2013 Location: Gig Harbor WA Posts: 160	Took my Single Seven to the range this last weekend, and got several other shooters asking questions about it. One couple was trying to find something that the young lady liked better than a snappy .380 she has shot. They were shooting a GP100 with .38 rounds. I let her shoot the S7 with .32H&R loads in it, and she really liked it. They wanted to know where they could get one, and I told them. Spreadin' the word one range trip at a time!

December 22, 2014, 06:22 PM	#1131
A pause for the COZ Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2012 Location: Braham, Minnesota Posts: 1,314	Farmboy... I suppose your right I should pony up for a couple boxes of 327 ammo. Most likely the only chance we may have to get that carbine.. I wonder what it would take to get a Rossi M92 converted to 327??? If it was a grand I may consider it as a one off.

December 22, 2014, 11:54 PM	#1133
Cosmodragoon Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2013 Location: Northeastern US Posts: 1,869	I know that sturdy revolvers in .32 H&R magnum, like older Sp101s, can be converted to .327 Federal by a gunsmith. I seem to recall pressure concerns about doing this with carbines though. Are those concerns accurate?

January 10, 2015, 10:24 PM	#1135
Adventurer 2 Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2006 Posts: 661	Have dies, primers, bullets, and 500 pieces of 327 brass. Sadly no powder. Sigh, someday I'll load a 327 round.

January 10, 2015, 10:36 PM	#1136
Colorado Redneck Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2008 Location: Northeast Colorado Posts: 1,993	Adventurer---what kind of powder are you wanting for the .327?

January 11, 2015, 04:16 AM	#1137
Adventurer 2 Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2006 Posts: 661	I'm looking for WS-231, Titegroup, or Accurate No 5. First time I've looked for powder in the last three years. I hope finding pistol powder isn't like finding rimfire ammo

January 18, 2015, 09:33 AM	#1140
Gdawgs Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2009 Location: MN Posts: 656	Went to the LGS yesterday and he has a Single 7. It's a real beauty and I'm really tempted. I want it!! It seems like a perfect platform for this round. Unfortunately funding isn't there right now since we are in the middle of adopting a kiddo. So that has kind of drained us financially. Hopefully these will still be available in a year or two. For now I'll have to stick with my SP101.

January 18, 2015, 02:30 PM	#1141
farmboy Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 261	How much for the Single 7?

January 18, 2015, 04:01 PM	#1142
Gdawgs Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2009 Location: MN Posts: 656	They had it marked at $529.

January 18, 2015, 10:13 PM	#1143
A pause for the COZ Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2012 Location: Braham, Minnesota Posts: 1,314	Thats about the going rate right now. I paid a bit more for mine. But thats because I was impatient and wanted mine right now. I was not going to let this one get away like I did the Black Hawk version or The Charter Arms Bulldog 4 inch target version. Still kicking my self for that one. Could have got the Target Bulldog for $350 at one time. Now good luck...

February 4, 2015, 11:40 AM	#1144
Magnum Wheel Man Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2006 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 9,333	I think those thinking lever carbines may have issues with the 327 cartridge length, if trying to shoehorn them into traditional pistol caliber carbines I'd think we may need to be looking at 30-30 / 32 Winchester rifles as the base for a custom... a quick check shows plenty of 32 Winchester rifles for sale on Gun Broker, & 32 caliber handgun bullets at .312 & rifle bullets at .312, so the barrel would likely work without changing or re-lining... bolt face would need work, & likely the lifter... but don't see either as a deal breaker on building a 327 on a 32 Winchester??? ooops sorry... I was looking at the 32-20 rifle bullets... the 32 Winchester uses .322 - .323" bullets... so only levers in 32-20 would not require barrel work of some kind __________________ In life you either make dust or eat dust... Last edited by Magnum Wheel Man; February 4, 2015 at 11:52 AM.

February 4, 2015, 11:53 AM	#1145
A pause for the COZ Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2012 Location: Braham, Minnesota Posts: 1,314	Getting them to fit into a lever action is not an issue. All it would take for Rossi to chamber a M92 for 327 is the desire. My M92 in 357 mag feeds them well enough. 327's would be just as simple.

February 4, 2015, 12:00 PM	#1146
Magnum Wheel Man Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2006 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 9,333	OK... I'm not ( yet ) a 327 guy... I assumed it was longer like a 357 max length, or at least longer than the standard cartridge length... your picture helps out... so it's more like the comparison between 45 Colt & 454 Casull... most difference is just the pressure __________________ In life you either make dust or eat dust...

February 4, 2015, 12:25 PM	#1147
A pause for the COZ Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2012 Location: Braham, Minnesota Posts: 1,314	Yea pretty much. The only issue that the 327 has is perception. You can tell the manufactures really have no idea what they have and what its best use is. Our numbers are not big enough to push the issue. I really hope Lipsey is selling the crap out of the Single 7. Because thats were the future of the 327 mag lies. Small runs as an exclusive gun for a particular distributor. A Lipsey exclusive Marlin 1894 in 327 Mag would be in my safe post haste.

February 4, 2015, 10:00 PM	#1148
BillCA Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, Ca Posts: 7,117	If Rossi is first to market, those wanting a .327 lever gun would be smart to buy them up quickly. Even if you don't like Rossi that much. You can bet that other manufacturers will be watching sales figures (from distributors) to gauge interest. __________________ BillCA in CA (Unfortunately)

February 5, 2015, 01:05 AM	#1149
Cosmodragoon Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2013 Location: Northeastern US Posts: 1,869	Is the rifling in guns for .32 H&R Magnum or 32-20 optimal for .327?

February 16, 2015, 11:53 PM	#1150
McCarthy Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2015 Posts: 312	Can I PLEASE have a 6" barrel stainless steel 7 shot S&W 686 chambered in .327? Anybody willing to sell a GP100 meanwhile?

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