cumbustible cartridge

Newton24b · July 16, 2011, 11:49 PM

most people here have an issue with loose powder. its a pain to deal with, damn inconvenient to hold a revolver with one hand and charge it, maintain the powder flask and measure, not spill powder. then its the hassle of getting the ball in and repeating 6 times.

others dont like the hassle of paper cartridges, to much hassle, paper never stays how it should, fragility.

well what about the pyrodex pistol pellets. they seem to be worth a shot as they wont spill about as loose powder.

the only question is how well do they occupy chamber space?

**4V50 Gary** · July 17, 2011, 01:00 AM

During the Civil War, paper cartridges were made for revolvers too.

Hawg · July 17, 2011, 02:09 AM

Tea bags make pretty strong cartridges, they're just time consuming to make. The pellets from what I hear (and see on you tube vids) are inconsistent plus you don't have the option of tailoring loads.

Newton24b · July 17, 2011, 09:22 PM

what about patterns. i have heard of a pattern for colt revovlers dating from around 1850 that is designed to use little paper and make a tapered cartridge.

also is a tapered cartridge required? most people do the the cigarrette paper method on a dowel and most of the photos ive seen have a standard straight tube for it.

arcticap · July 18, 2011, 12:31 PM

There's no doubt that the 30 grain Pyrodex pellets are properly sized to occupy enough space in the chambers to be completely safe to use under any circumstances.
Are you worried about them being crushed? When the ball is rammed, there's literally not much of any room for the crushed pellet to go anywhere that could cause any kind of problem.

Here's a 53 second video of Pyrodex revolver pellets being fired off very quickly and reliably in two Pietta Remington .44's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGkxQ...layer_embedded

Newton24b · July 18, 2011, 09:25 PM

the worry i have with the pyrodex pellets is on if they leave much air gap on the sides of the pellet and how much column height of the chamber is used, to figure out set back for the projectile.

arcticap · July 18, 2011, 09:33 PM

The pellets are very compacted so I doubt that they take up any more room than 30 grains of loose powder even if there's some extra room on the sides of the chamber.
Much more energy is involved with using up to 150 grains of pellets in an inline rifle and the extra room is not a concern as long as directions are followed.
A C&B cylinder is proof tested, just ram the ball down so it's seated on top of the powder/pellet.
Once you buy some pellets then you can figure out the set back by using their actual measurement.

July 16, 2011, 11:49 PM	#1
Newton24b Junior member Join Date: February 10, 2009 Posts: 974	cumbustible cartridge most people here have an issue with loose powder. its a pain to deal with, damn inconvenient to hold a revolver with one hand and charge it, maintain the powder flask and measure, not spill powder. then its the hassle of getting the ball in and repeating 6 times. others dont like the hassle of paper cartridges, to much hassle, paper never stays how it should, fragility. well what about the pyrodex pistol pellets. they seem to be worth a shot as they wont spill about as loose powder. the only question is how well do they occupy chamber space?

July 17, 2011, 01:00 AM	#2
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,829	During the Civil War, paper cartridges were made for revolvers too. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

July 18, 2011, 12:31 PM	#5
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	There's no doubt that the 30 grain Pyrodex pellets are properly sized to occupy enough space in the chambers to be completely safe to use under any circumstances. Are you worried about them being crushed? When the ball is rammed, there's literally not much of any room for the crushed pellet to go anywhere that could cause any kind of problem. Here's a 53 second video of Pyrodex revolver pellets being fired off very quickly and reliably in two Pietta Remington .44's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGkxQ...layer_embedded Last edited by arcticap; July 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM.

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July 17, 2011, 02:09 AM	#3
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Tea bags make pretty strong cartridges, they're just time consuming to make. The pellets from what I hear (and see on you tube vids) are inconsistent plus you don't have the option of tailoring loads.

July 17, 2011, 09:22 PM	#4
Newton24b Junior member Join Date: February 10, 2009 Posts: 974	what about patterns. i have heard of a pattern for colt revovlers dating from around 1850 that is designed to use little paper and make a tapered cartridge. also is a tapered cartridge required? most people do the the cigarrette paper method on a dowel and most of the photos ive seen have a standard straight tube for it.

July 18, 2011, 09:25 PM	#6
Newton24b Junior member Join Date: February 10, 2009 Posts: 974	the worry i have with the pyrodex pellets is on if they leave much air gap on the sides of the pellet and how much column height of the chamber is used, to figure out set back for the projectile.

July 18, 2011, 09:33 PM	#7
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	The pellets are very compacted so I doubt that they take up any more room than 30 grains of loose powder even if there's some extra room on the sides of the chamber. Much more energy is involved with using up to 150 grains of pellets in an inline rifle and the extra room is not a concern as long as directions are followed. A C&B cylinder is proof tested, just ram the ball down so it's seated on top of the powder/pellet. Once you buy some pellets then you can figure out the set back by using their actual measurement.