Motor driven triggers

barnetmill · February 6, 2006, 11:48 AM

Here is question about motor driven triggers.

Right upfront I assume such a device is illegal and I do not have one or have plans to make one.

Are there any issued smallarms that use an electric motor (not a hand driven crank) to regulate firing rate?

I assume that the multibarreled crew served weapons could be adjustable for cyclic rate. I wonder if this concept has ever been applied to a smallarm.

fisherman66 · February 6, 2006, 12:31 PM

I've always thought it would be fun to take 5 or 6 10/22s and mount them on a frame with the triggers alligned. Then make a paddled trigger insert that I could attach to an electric drill. Mount the whole "shebang" (apologies to William Hung) on a swivel turret; and chew something up.

I don't know what the ATF thinks about this desire.

Lord_Nikon · February 6, 2006, 12:53 PM

The ATF thinks that's a machine gun, as the switch on the drill would become the "trigger". However, use a hand crank, and that becomes an undoubtedly fun way to burn through some ammo.

M3 Pilot · February 6, 2006, 03:20 PM

What Lord Nikon said. Hand crank=legal,Motor powered crank=prison time.

barnetmill · February 6, 2006, 03:45 PM

As an aside I recall an article many years ago in I think "guns and ammo" where they took .22 caliber semi-auto rifles to see what their max cyclic rates were. I recall that they were above 1,000 rnds/min. This was long before the the recent '86 law and current strict enforcement actions.

It is illegal I am sure for civilians to do this. Perhaps the government will want to next regulate small DC electric motors.

kozak6 · February 6, 2006, 04:33 PM

Well, hey, you know a shoelace is a machinegun.

Barnetmill, GE has made miniguns in .223, although it would be quite insane to try to fire one from a standing position Predator style.

While not military issue, there have been some .22 LR miniguns produced.

barnetmill · February 6, 2006, 04:42 PM

kozak6, What I am really asking about is the trigger and not hydraulic or electrical systems that handle all aspects of extraction, loading, and firing.

dtarbox · February 9, 2006, 01:49 PM

I have seen a briefcase that was registered as a MG. Vito has one listed on his website, it is about 3/4 the way down the page.

http://onlythebestfirearms.com/firearms_inventory.html

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urbanassault · February 9, 2006, 04:14 PM

been discussed many times, one just recently here

February 6, 2006, 11:48 AM	#1
barnetmill Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Posts: 121	Motor driven triggers Here is question about motor driven triggers. Right upfront I assume such a device is illegal and I do not have one or have plans to make one. Are there any issued smallarms that use an electric motor (not a hand driven crank) to regulate firing rate? I assume that the multibarreled crew served weapons could be adjustable for cyclic rate. I wonder if this concept has ever been applied to a smallarm.

February 6, 2006, 12:53 PM	#3
Lord_Nikon Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 401	The ATF thinks that's a machine gun, as the switch on the drill would become the "trigger". However, use a hand crank, and that becomes an undoubtedly fun way to burn through some ammo. __________________ Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?

February 9, 2006, 04:14 PM	#9
urbanassault Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 364	been discussed many times, one just recently here __________________ Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum

February 6, 2006, 12:31 PM	#2
fisherman66 Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2005 Location: The Woodlands TX Posts: 4,679	I've always thought it would be fun to take 5 or 6 10/22s and mount them on a frame with the triggers alligned. Then make a paddled trigger insert that I could attach to an electric drill. Mount the whole "shebang" (apologies to William Hung) on a swivel turret; and chew something up. I don't know what the ATF thinks about this desire.

February 6, 2006, 03:20 PM	#4
M3 Pilot Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2005 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 152	What Lord Nikon said. Hand crank=legal,Motor powered crank=prison time.

February 6, 2006, 03:45 PM	#5
barnetmill Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Posts: 121	As an aside I recall an article many years ago in I think "guns and ammo" where they took .22 caliber semi-auto rifles to see what their max cyclic rates were. I recall that they were above 1,000 rnds/min. This was long before the the recent '86 law and current strict enforcement actions. It is illegal I am sure for civilians to do this. Perhaps the government will want to next regulate small DC electric motors.

February 6, 2006, 04:33 PM	#6
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	Well, hey, you know a shoelace is a machinegun. Barnetmill, GE has made miniguns in .223, although it would be quite insane to try to fire one from a standing position Predator style. While not military issue, there have been some .22 LR miniguns produced.

February 6, 2006, 04:42 PM	#7
barnetmill Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Posts: 121	kozak6, What I am really asking about is the trigger and not hydraulic or electrical systems that handle all aspects of extraction, loading, and firing.

February 9, 2006, 01:49 PM	#8
dtarbox Member Join Date: July 1, 2005 Posts: 15	I have seen a briefcase that was registered as a MG. Vito has one listed on his website, it is about 3/4 the way down the page. http://onlythebestfirearms.com/firearms_inventory.html D