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natman · September 2, 2015, 11:32 AM

It's said there were a very few Winchester 100s made in 358, although it's so few it's more like prototypes than production. I've never been able to find a catalog reference, but the subject is discussed in this thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=621508

dgludwig · September 2, 2015, 12:17 PM

natman, while attending a gun show a couple of years ago I actually saw and handled a Model 100 rifle that was chambered in .358 (I've always thought that this would have been a great idea) and was so marked. In all appearances, it looked to be an unaltered, factory-made, Model 100. From all of the information I've been able to find, however, there is no evidence that Winchester ever "marketed" a Model 100 chambered in .358 and the best guess seems to be that the few that have been discovered were, as you suggested, "prototypes". I'd really be interested in learning the "real" story behind this apparent anomaly.

briandg · September 8, 2015, 02:23 PM

to mention something I haven't seen yet, the only practical difference is that the 358 is the short action. it fires the same bullets as the whelen at about a 10% lower velocity. A .308 could be rebarreld for the .358, but would it be worth the time? It's not going to have any serious alteration in performance on anything but the very largest of pigs. I'd use either a tipped bullet, or a big blunt one that will open up quickly. a traditional spitzer point may not get in enough expansion with such a heavy round within the first inches, and may even pass through without enough expansion to matter if the hog is smallish.

fourbore · September 8, 2015, 02:55 PM

If you are looking to maximize your redundancy then here is the 9.3x62 offered recently by ruger and cz. And from cz was a kevlar model 550, that seemed very appealing before I came to my senses.

I never hunted hogs, seems like a good candidate for a 44mag marlin lever. But what do I know? The 44 hits pretty hard.

Savage99 · September 11, 2015, 09:35 PM

I got a Savage 99F in .358 Win. in 1966 and made it my primary big game cartridge. I have shot the most deer with the .358.

I started hand loading and deer hunting in 1953 and have rifles chambered for most hunting and some target cartridges. It feels cool woods hunting with a 358.

The bottom two rifles are .358's!

jughead2 · September 12, 2015, 04:12 AM

one question who needs an excuse to buy another firearm? if it doesnt take food from the table or cause a problem with rent money oh or get too far into the beer budget i buy the dang thing.

gearhounds · September 12, 2015, 07:44 AM

If you like levers, and are just looking for an excuse, why not get something that is ballistically different instead of a caliber that approximates what you're already rocking?

Consider the 45-70. Unless you're routinely shooting hogs at well over 200 yards, the 18.5" Guide would be a hog killing machine. If you reload, the possibilities are limitless with faster bullet weights from 250 grains to slow moving monsters in the 500-550 grain range. Along with anything that walks the planet, hogs fall to the Gubmint all the time

Boogershooter · September 12, 2015, 07:52 AM

I've killed quite a few with the 45-70. Its a fine choice but to be perfectly honest my 45-70 gets more safe time these days. Guess u could say I've spent my wad with it already and always looking at something new. I've looked in every gun shop around and havnt found the right used rifle yet in this round but I will one day. I'm headed now to the back yard to play with my newest play pretty. 26 nosler

September 2, 2015, 12:17 PM	#27
dgludwig Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2005 Location: North central Ohio Posts: 7,486	natman, while attending a gun show a couple of years ago I actually saw and handled a Model 100 rifle that was chambered in .358 (I've always thought that this would have been a great idea) and was so marked. In all appearances, it looked to be an unaltered, factory-made, Model 100. From all of the information I've been able to find, however, there is no evidence that Winchester ever "marketed" a Model 100 chambered in .358 and the best guess seems to be that the few that have been discovered were, as you suggested, "prototypes". I'd really be interested in learning the "real" story behind this apparent anomaly. __________________ ONLY AN ARMED PEOPLE CAN BE TRULY FREE ; ONLY AN UNARMED PEOPLE CAN EVER BE ENSLAVED ...Aristotle NRA Benefactor Life Member

September 12, 2015, 04:12 AM	#31
jughead2 Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2008 Location: tenn. Posts: 263	358 winchester one question who needs an excuse to buy another firearm? if it doesnt take food from the table or cause a problem with rent money oh or get too far into the beer budget i buy the dang thing.

September 12, 2015, 07:44 AM	#32
gearhounds Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2011 Location: M'burg WV Posts: 332	If you like levers, and are just looking for an excuse, why not get something that is ballistically different instead of a caliber that approximates what you're already rocking? Consider the 45-70. Unless you're routinely shooting hogs at well over 200 yards, the 18.5" Guide would be a hog killing machine. If you reload, the possibilities are limitless with faster bullet weights from 250 grains to slow moving monsters in the 500-550 grain range. Along with anything that walks the planet, hogs fall to the Gubmint all the time __________________ Busting thugs since 1992

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September 2, 2015, 11:32 AM	#26
natman Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2008 Posts: 2,605	It's said there were a very few Winchester 100s made in 358, although it's so few it's more like prototypes than production. I've never been able to find a catalog reference, but the subject is discussed in this thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=621508

September 8, 2015, 02:23 PM	#28
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	to mention something I haven't seen yet, the only practical difference is that the 358 is the short action. it fires the same bullets as the whelen at about a 10% lower velocity. A .308 could be rebarreld for the .358, but would it be worth the time? It's not going to have any serious alteration in performance on anything but the very largest of pigs. I'd use either a tipped bullet, or a big blunt one that will open up quickly. a traditional spitzer point may not get in enough expansion with such a heavy round within the first inches, and may even pass through without enough expansion to matter if the hog is smallish.

September 8, 2015, 02:55 PM	#29
fourbore Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2015 Location: new england Posts: 1,159	If you are looking to maximize your redundancy then here is the 9.3x62 offered recently by ruger and cz. And from cz was a kevlar model 550, that seemed very appealing before I came to my senses. I never hunted hogs, seems like a good candidate for a 44mag marlin lever. But what do I know? The 44 hits pretty hard.

September 11, 2015, 09:35 PM	#30
Savage99 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Posts: 567	I got a Savage 99F in .358 Win. in 1966 and made it my primary big game cartridge. I have shot the most deer with the .358. I started hand loading and deer hunting in 1953 and have rifles chambered for most hunting and some target cartridges. It feels cool woods hunting with a 358. The bottom two rifles are .358's!

September 12, 2015, 07:52 AM	#33
Boogershooter Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 2014 Posts: 645	I've killed quite a few with the 45-70. Its a fine choice but to be perfectly honest my 45-70 gets more safe time these days. Guess u could say I've spent my wad with it already and always looking at something new. I've looked in every gun shop around and havnt found the right used rifle yet in this round but I will one day. I'm headed now to the back yard to play with my newest play pretty. 26 nosler