Non-tin-foil-hat Saiga-12 drum DD info?

Beretta686 · February 26, 2012, 12:04 PM

I just got a 20-round drum for my Saiga-12 SBS and it's about the most fun I've ever had with a shotgun (cactus are great to blast with it!).

I googled the topic of the ATF declaring the Saiga-12 with a drum a Destructive Device, but all I could find was paranoid smoke without any fire. It's as though the ATF posted their notice at Glenn Beck's FEMA death-camp and only those with a tin-foil-hat can find information.

Does anyone have real tangible information on it?

And on a corollary, if for some reason it was declared a DD, would it already being an short-barreled-shotgun preempt having to register it as a DD?

David Hineline · February 26, 2012, 12:24 PM

Congress took care of that, your shotgun is good to go.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...ess-gun-owners

Beretta686 · February 26, 2012, 04:13 PM

Great! Thanks for the real info, as opposed to wild-eyed rumors and such.

Skans · February 27, 2012, 08:40 AM

I only wish someone other than Saiga made these - specifically with a heavier stamped receiver - I'd be all over it if there was such a thing.

kozak6 · March 1, 2012, 04:11 AM

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And on a corollary, if for some reason it was declared a DD, would it already being an short-barreled-shotgun preempt having to register it as a DD?

This question came up in a previous theoretical Saiga ban thread, but it never got an answer.

There were SBS-ed USAS-12's and Streetsweepers when they were declared DD's, so it seems there should be an answer.

I'm curious, though, if it actually matters. Are there any states that allow SBS's but not DD's?

MagnumWill · March 1, 2012, 08:08 PM

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as opposed to wild-eyed rumors and such.

...you mean "wild-fonted" rumors, i bet?

Webleymkv · March 15, 2012, 12:43 PM

While I don't remember the exact source, I seem to remember the ATF saying that they would not ban or declare the Saiga 12 a DD based soley on aftermarket accessories. As I understand it, guns like the Stryker 12 were ruled destructive devices not because of aftermarket parts, but rather because they were never offered in a "sporting" configuration to begin with.

Skans · March 15, 2012, 04:16 PM

Even if BATFE declared it a DD, all you would have to do is register it on a Form 1 - fingerprints and picture required, but otherwise no charge for registration. I had to do this with my USAS-12. And, yes, it's a ton of fun to shoot 20 12 gauge slugs, buckshot, etc. as fast as you can pull the trigger.

February 26, 2012, 12:04 PM	#1
Beretta686 Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 761	Non-tin-foil-hat Saiga-12 drum DD info? I just got a 20-round drum for my Saiga-12 SBS and it's about the most fun I've ever had with a shotgun (cactus are great to blast with it!). I googled the topic of the ATF declaring the Saiga-12 with a drum a Destructive Device, but all I could find was paranoid smoke without any fire. It's as though the ATF posted their notice at Glenn Beck's FEMA death-camp and only those with a tin-foil-hat can find information. Does anyone have real tangible information on it? And on a corollary, if for some reason it was declared a DD, would it already being an short-barreled-shotgun preempt having to register it as a DD? __________________ "Our contract called for 16 cases of rifles and ammunition for $10,000 dollars, not a machine gun...........That is our present to the General"-Pike Bishop “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

February 26, 2012, 04:13 PM	#3
Beretta686 Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 761	Great! Thanks for the real info, as opposed to wild-eyed rumors and such. __________________ "Our contract called for 16 cases of rifles and ammunition for $10,000 dollars, not a machine gun...........That is our present to the General"-Pike Bishop “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

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February 26, 2012, 12:24 PM	#2
David Hineline Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska Posts: 704	Congress took care of that, your shotgun is good to go. http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...ess-gun-owners

February 27, 2012, 08:40 AM	#4
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	I only wish someone other than Saiga made these - specifically with a heavier stamped receiver - I'd be all over it if there was such a thing.

March 15, 2012, 12:43 PM	#7
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,446	While I don't remember the exact source, I seem to remember the ATF saying that they would not ban or declare the Saiga 12 a DD based soley on aftermarket accessories. As I understand it, guns like the Stryker 12 were ruled destructive devices not because of aftermarket parts, but rather because they were never offered in a "sporting" configuration to begin with.

March 15, 2012, 04:16 PM	#8
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	Even if BATFE declared it a DD, all you would have to do is register it on a Form 1 - fingerprints and picture required, but otherwise no charge for registration. I had to do this with my USAS-12. And, yes, it's a ton of fun to shoot 20 12 gauge slugs, buckshot, etc. as fast as you can pull the trigger.