School me on the 10mm

[Playboypenguin]

I was out looking at a Glock 23 today and the Glock 29 caught my eye. It is a little smaller than the compact Glocks but a tiny bit bigger than the baby Glocks. I really liked the look and size of it.

As you probably know it is a 10mm pistol. I know nothing about 10mm and was wondering what advantages or disadvantages it has when compared to the .45acp round.

[azsixshooter]

There's a range report on the G29 here:
http://www.10mmtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=8424

I wish I could afford ammo for a 10mm, a G20 would probably be my next sidearm.

From what I understand the 10mm is kind of a "ballistic twin" to the .357 Mag. Also, a guy named Mike (I think) at Double Tap Ammo has done a lot to resurrect it. And it's supposed to be uber-versatile to hand load for.

[roman3]

I carried a 29 for several years, also carried a Smith 1066 too. I also owned a G20 and several other Smiths. I really like the 10mm. A very versitile cartridge. A wide choice of bullet weights and designs and purposes.

Has the ompfff to take down two legged and give a real decent shot at four legged trouble makers. A good camping , backpacking round.

Good for hunting. Modern ammo is somewhat watered down as compared to what the 10 is supposed to be but many swear by Double Tap ammo as the 10mm gold line today.

The 29 is similar in size to the 19/23 frame but is much thicker...and feels thicker in the hand.

If the Glock 21, 30 and the like are not to fat then the 29 will not be to fat. The 10mm has more recoil (subjective) and report than the 45 and the 40 was a direct offspring from the 10mm.

Ammo can be pricey and of limited selection unless you reload or order on line.

[AZAK]

Let me begin by saying that I am an ardent G29 and 10mm fan.

Well, aside from the .45 being bigger around than the 10mm/.40, and the 10mm ammo costing a bit more...

While the .45 is right at the top of the "one shot stop" list, some would say tied with .357, this is regarding the two legged. (I personally do not practice too many one shot-defensive shooting drills. If I am going to pull the trigger, it will come as a double minimum. Because, if I feel that threatened any handgun cartridge is still not a rifle or shotgun.) And I am more concerned about the Mama bear with baby bears, just check out Sunday's Anchorage Daily News. www.adn.com And this is why my pistol is a backup to a 12g with slugs or a 300 H&H.

10mm against the larger four legged is another matter. Do a little research on ballistics, and you will find that the 10mm will penetrate further than the .45.

Hand loads may be the biggest advantage. The 10 can have some great hot loads.

There have been many tables, on this site and else where out there, that can show you numbers and where these two sit. And folks out there will argue until the cows come home, or move to Jersey!, that "their caliber" is the best... and have the data to show it!

Be careful concerning data. Ever taken statistics as a course? "Really coach, I will give it 110%!" How about ever talked with a politician? or a liar, I mean lawyer? Ever watched, "Twelve Angry Men"? "The Truth" can be a very subjective thing.

Bottom line, almost, I like to carry and shoot my G29 in 10mm. I enjoy the heck out of it! I have carried and shot many different guns and calibers over the years, liked many and did not like many. It really is a personal preference.

PBP- Pick one up, I for one was not disappointed!

[Officer's Match]

This is a done deal. PBP, you need a 10mm, and this is the perfect opportunity to do it. Only problem is that sucker absolutely will refuse to stay in that drawer and behave. Better look for some leather for it.

[shurshot]

Back in the late 80's, I shot a friends Colt Delta Elite in 10MM (1911 Frame). It was accurate, and a well made pistol. However, it kicked like a .41 Mag, and that Colt was Heavy, so I'm guessing that a Glock in 10MM will have even more recoil, due to the light weight. Lots of power, but you will be limited on how fast you can recover and get you sights back on target for your 2nd shot. Just last year, a friend and I were shooting my Colt 1991A1 in .45ACP, and his Glock 23 in .40. His Glock being lighter, recoiled much more than my .45, and was difficult to get back on target (for both of us), as compared to my Colt. Have fun!

[Officer's Match]

Not so, shurshot. The G29 has very controllable recoil, actually a bit less "flip" than my Delta Elite, which BTW isn't particularly heavy IMO, nor is it unmanageable to shoot.

Playboy, you yourself own several other fine brands of polypistols, but the arguements stop at the 10mm doorstep. I really do wish HK would make a 10.

[Wiskey_33]

I loved my 29, but had to sell it to fund another situation. Anyhow, the 10mm is a great round, and even better if you make your own, as they can get pricey in stores.

Do yourself the favor and pick it up!

The Pearce extensions are wonderful additions as well.

[shurshot]

Officer's Match; I have never fired a Glock 29, so I'll take your word for it. My Colt .45 is "heavy" (to me), as compared to lighter guns like Glocks. In my opinion, my Colt .45 steel frame recoils much less than my SW 39-2 in 9MM. Recoil is subjective. The Colt .45 pistol, as far as I'm concerned, is a superb design, easy to shoot and fits my hand perfect. In my opinion, it is a still a better weapon (in looks and function), than the Polymer guns. I'm guessing I'm not alone in this love affair w/the .45...

[Officer's Match]

I see where you're coming from SS and pretty much echo your thoughts.

[Alleykat]

His Glock being lighter, recoiled much more than my .45, and was difficult to get back on target (for both of us), as compared to my Colt. Have fun!

The perceived difference in the recoil had nothing to do with the relative weights of the pistols, but in the snappier recoil of a .40, compared to a .45.

[Pappy John]

After owning a G20 for a year and a half, I found that I liked the 10mm so much that I sold off my last .45 ACP 1911 to finance my recent G29 purchase this April. The width of the Glock grip in their larger caliber pistols, combined with the flex of the polymer frame, and the low bore axis, makes a 700+ ft/lb load feel as mild as a typical .45 load in a steel 1911.

Now that summer has kicked in I'm finding myself carrying the 9mms more, but when the weather was cooler the G29 got a lot of carry time in a CTAC, and it'll return to duty once the weather cools some this fall. The G20 is still getting some open carry in the woods when goofing around at the cabin up north.

Ammo IS expensive for this round compared to the more common stuff though. I'm reloading, so it takes a lot of the sting out of the cost.

[parrothead2581]

I like the looks of it but have failed to purchase one for the following reasons:

1.) Limited variety of handguns it is available in. Although, it seems this is changing.

2.) Like of widespread availability of ammunition.

3) Cost of ammo. If I refuse to pay the high price for one box of ammo, and become truly proficient with it, what's the point?

4.) The factory stuff seems to be watered down. Double Tap and Buffalo Bore appear to make true 10mm stuff, but there again, the cost is high.

[Logs]

I have owned two 10mm's in my time. I think one was the 1076 and the other was 1026. Many years ago the Virginia state police dumped a bunch of guns. I got one of each of the above for $300 and it include 3 mags and police leather.

Both guns were a handful, but were very accurate. The only reason I traded them off was the price of ammo. I now reload and wish I would have kept one of them. They were brutal on milk jugs filled with water. From what I have read on the Glock 10mm's I wouldn't mind picking up one if I found a deal.

[chris in va]

I was at my outdoor range a while back messing around with my Kadet as usual. A guy shows up with a fancy compensated, longslide Glock 10mm. Now I had some bowling pins hanging at about 80-90 yards away and I was doing a reasonable job hitting them, maybe one in 4 shots.

This guy proceeds to hit the darn things every other shot with iron sights. Standing.

Needless to say I was impressed. Apparently he had the gun worked over by someone and made it pretty darn accurate. Recoil didn't look that bad, being compensated and all.

[DanD]

Recoil of the 10mm isn't bad, at least to me. I have a 10mm Kimber Eclipse that I really enjoy shooting. Prices of ammo have gone up, but I can still get PMC Brass ammo for around $18 a box. I used to find Blazer for less than .45ACP prices a year ago.

[chubbmann]

send me a private message if you interested..

jesse

[Playboypenguin]

I am not that worried about recoil. I have never found an auto caliber that was hard to shoot in a reasonably sized gun. I consider .45acp 1911's as one handed shooters. Even my Para Slim Hawg.

The only auto caliber I have ever found abusive is a .380 in my tiny Seecamp. It is still a one handed shooter but a bit snappy do to it's itsy, bitsy size.

PS: How does 10mm ammo compare to 357sig price wise?

[DanD]

I found UMC 125gr. .357Sig MC at Bud's for $21/50; UMC 180gr. 10mm MC was $24/50. PMC Bronze was $28/50 at Bud's (my local Gun Shop better not find out...). Overall a little more, but not much. Corbon .357Sig was the same price as 10mm ($25/20). Win Silvertip 10mm was $17/20.

[parrothead2581]

So, what purpose or niche, is this pistol going to serve?

All the 10mm owners I've spoken with and read about say it truly shines in handloading.

Around here, .45acp isn't that much more than 9mm. However, .357sig and 10mm are quite a bit more than either of those.

[Dust Monkey]

[QUOTE]I wish I could afford ammo for a 10mm, a G20 would probably be my next sidearm./QUOTE]

For those of you that think 10mm ammo is to expensive or hard to find, you aren't looking around much. Google Reeds Ammunition, he has a great line of 10mm ammo, and other calibers. If you look, you will find that 10mm is no more expensive to shoot than 45acp.

[azsixshooter]

That's why I don't have a .45...twice as expensive as 9mm in the yellow 250 count value packs. I'm lucky if I can afford to shoot a couple of hundred rounds a week of 9mm.

I might get a 10mm when I get set up for reloading some day.

[Playboypenguin]

So, what purpose or niche, is this pistol going to serve?

This is not going to be a range gun or a fun gun. It is going to be serving as a man-stopper. Nothing more, nothing less.

I will shoot it enough to be familiar with it's accuracy and recoil, but beyond that it will be very much an "in emergency, break glass" type of gun.

[blind_shooter]

I'm not convinced that a 10mm is all that safe if shoot-through is a concern, like a house. I was under the impression it would make a good trail caliber in case you need to shoot wild animals. Im no expert though and have little experience with 10mm other than shooting a dan wesson a few times. Recoil is not what everyone says it is. Reminds me of a .40 almost. 10mm could be a very good round with the right ammo though. Just need to find what will work for you.

[pgg]

I just took my new Glock 20 to the range for the first time. It shot great. To me it has less felt recoil then the 40 caliber. Perhaps the larger frame.