remington managed recoil slug experience?

Pezo · February 5, 2006, 12:06 PM

Fired the new 590-a1 at the range yesterday, It is a very well made shotgun. I fired 3 different types of ammo. Fiocchi less recoil slugs, some (hard recoiling) winchester stardard rifles slugs when I ran out of the Fiocchi's. I did not like the recoil of the winchester slugs, so at the counter I picked up some remington managed recoil slugs. When I fired the first shot at about 10 yards. (I was shooting at the paper "bad guy" target). To my amazement I found 4 slug size hole's in the target. 2 in the head, 2 towards the torso. the lowest one looked like an oval. As if the projectile was toppling. Even the guy next to me mentioned he was amazed I had only fired one round. When I fired the 2nd round, low and behold, 3 large holes in the target. Every one of the "slugs" left multiple large holes in target. Interesting, anyone else have this expereince with these buckshot acting remington slugs?

trubski · February 5, 2006, 12:21 PM

Yes! I had EXACTLY the same experience yesterday, at about 20 yards. Couldn't figure out what the hell was going on! I fired 5 rounds quickly and ended up with 9 holes in the target. What gives?
I like those slugs for target shooting cause they are so painless to shoot, and pretty inexpensive, but if you can't tell where you're shooting it's a little weird...

Dfariswheel · February 5, 2006, 01:46 PM

Is it possible there's some kind of plastic wad or covering for the slug that's hitting the target?

In bird shot and buckshot loads there is a shot cup that will hit the target at close range and leaves a hole.

I suggest shooting at a longer distance and check for extra holes, and for grouping.

If it looks like the slug is actually fragmenting contact Remington.

In fact, you could contact Remington and ask what's going on here.

On their web site they have an excellent online question system:
http://remington.custhelp.com/cgi-bi...er/std_alp.php

Doc TH · February 5, 2006, 11:23 PM

The extra holes in a paper target are from the wads. These can penetrate more than you might think; years ago had a DOA patient in the emergency room who had wads net to his chest - penetrated shirt and t-shirt.

Ruger4570 · February 6, 2006, 08:14 AM

If you are shooting at 10 yards it sure sounds like wads to me. I have seen wads from some of the sabot rounds all the way out to the 50 yard line at our range.

Pezo · February 6, 2006, 06:20 PM

I thought it could be wads as well, but the fiocchi low recoiling rounds and the winchester standard slug's did not leave more than one hole. The fiocchi rounds use a cool transparent case and you can see the slug from all sides as well as what looks like a "spacer" looking wad. Are the remington's the same as the fiocchi's on the inside or are there that many more wads to cause this. Or is the slug (or wad) breaking up? SLug rounds dont have a cap on the top of the shell like buckshot shells do to keep the shot in. The slug is visable on the top. I'm pretty confident it had to be wad's if I had to bet. Still interesting it only happened in the remington rounds. I did ask remington, will wait for an awnser.

Doc TH · February 6, 2006, 09:43 PM

Should have mentioned on my previous response that I had identical observations shooting Rem. managed recoil slugs this week. Feel it must be wads or equivalent because the slugs themselves all patterned within an inch or so of point of aim, whereas the slightly less regular holes were variably located - high left, low at 6 o'clock, etc.

trubski · February 7, 2006, 11:21 PM

Sounds like we all had the same experience. I just looked at that target again, and the irregular holes were pretty much all over the map, so I am also thinking that it must have been the wads. I also asked Remington but haven't heard from them yet.

trubski · February 8, 2006, 07:29 PM

Well, here's a response I didn't expect. I still think it's the cup or the wadding, but maybe not.

From Remington:

Dear Mr. xxxx,

Thank you for your patience. At 20 yds it is possible. The lead is pliable and should mushroom rather than fragment.

Customer (xxxxx) - 02/05/2006 03:34 PM
I recently fired five 12 gauge managed recoil slugs at about 20 yards, and found that I had nine holes in my target. Is it possible that the slugs, or one of them, fragmented?

gordo b. · February 8, 2006, 08:25 PM

I have fired about 750 rounds of the Rem slug. Yes it leaves a couple extra wad holes. The slug shoots way high in most guns at 25 yards or more,which means the rear sight is gonna come down.They are VERY accurate however and my Bennelli Nova Tactical prints 2" 50yard groups with them all day. The 870s don't do quite that well. These are my favorite 870 HD loads, a butter soft 1 oz 1000fps slug should do just what a slug should- and no more around the home. I use Brennekes in semi auto guns though(and for animals ).I have hit shilos 100% of the time at 100meters, on demand , and the steel goes down at that range! The drop seemed about a foot from a 25 yard zero.I aimed at the head and hit COM.

trubski · February 8, 2006, 10:45 PM

Gordo -

You wrote: "The slug shoots way high in most guns at 25 yards or more,which means the rear sight is gonna come down.They are VERY accurate however "

I've been struggling with this with my Win 1300 D. I seem to consistently shoot these slugs both high and left. I'm shooting with a bead and am seriously considering rifle or peep sights on the gun to correct this. I suppose I should get serious and do some tests with other slugs first, though. However, I feel a little better now. I am pretty good with rifles, and it is somewhat frustrating to be so inaccurate with a new SG ...

I am confused by what you said about 'accurate' though - do you mean 'consistent'? Thanks....

gordo b. · February 9, 2006, 01:19 AM

My Robar 870 with an Imp Cyl tube shoots into 4" at 50 Yards. The other home grown tactical 870 with a cyl barrel shoots into 6" at 50 yards, but it does not have a ghost ring only Rem rifle sights,both with the Rem reduced recoil slugs. The Robar gun shoots into 2" with Brenneke original slugs.Once again I like the Rem reduced recoil slugs in pump tactical guns, they have enough to do the job without excessive recoil (allowing for quicker shooting) or excessive penetration.

dtarbox · February 9, 2006, 02:02 PM

At 50 yards I frequesntly have wads getting stuck in a cardboard target from the managed recoil slug.

D

February 5, 2006, 12:06 PM	#1
Pezo Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2005 Location: Vernors and orange barrels. Posts: 661	remington managed recoil slug experience? Fired the new 590-a1 at the range yesterday, It is a very well made shotgun. I fired 3 different types of ammo. Fiocchi less recoil slugs, some (hard recoiling) winchester stardard rifles slugs when I ran out of the Fiocchi's. I did not like the recoil of the winchester slugs, so at the counter I picked up some remington managed recoil slugs. When I fired the first shot at about 10 yards. (I was shooting at the paper "bad guy" target). To my amazement I found 4 slug size hole's in the target. 2 in the head, 2 towards the torso. the lowest one looked like an oval. As if the projectile was toppling. Even the guy next to me mentioned he was amazed I had only fired one round. When I fired the 2nd round, low and behold, 3 large holes in the target. Every one of the "slugs" left multiple large holes in target. Interesting, anyone else have this expereince with these buckshot acting remington slugs?

February 5, 2006, 11:23 PM	#4
Doc TH Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2005 Posts: 633	Shooting slugs The extra holes in a paper target are from the wads. These can penetrate more than you might think; years ago had a DOA patient in the emergency room who had wads net to his chest - penetrated shirt and t-shirt.

February 6, 2006, 09:43 PM	#7
Doc TH Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2005 Posts: 633	Remington slugs Should have mentioned on my previous response that I had identical observations shooting Rem. managed recoil slugs this week. Feel it must be wads or equivalent because the slugs themselves all patterned within an inch or so of point of aim, whereas the slightly less regular holes were variably located - high left, low at 6 o'clock, etc.

February 5, 2006, 12:21 PM	#2
trubski Member Join Date: December 26, 2005 Posts: 18	Yes! I had EXACTLY the same experience yesterday, at about 20 yards. Couldn't figure out what the hell was going on! I fired 5 rounds quickly and ended up with 9 holes in the target. What gives? I like those slugs for target shooting cause they are so painless to shoot, and pretty inexpensive, but if you can't tell where you're shooting it's a little weird...

February 5, 2006, 01:46 PM	#3
Dfariswheel Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2001 Posts: 7,478	Is it possible there's some kind of plastic wad or covering for the slug that's hitting the target? In bird shot and buckshot loads there is a shot cup that will hit the target at close range and leaves a hole. I suggest shooting at a longer distance and check for extra holes, and for grouping. If it looks like the slug is actually fragmenting contact Remington. In fact, you could contact Remington and ask what's going on here. On their web site they have an excellent online question system: http://remington.custhelp.com/cgi-bi...er/std_alp.php

February 6, 2006, 08:14 AM	#5
Ruger4570 Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2005 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 2,136	If you are shooting at 10 yards it sure sounds like wads to me. I have seen wads from some of the sabot rounds all the way out to the 50 yard line at our range.

February 6, 2006, 06:20 PM	#6
Pezo Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2005 Location: Vernors and orange barrels. Posts: 661	I thought it could be wads as well, but the fiocchi low recoiling rounds and the winchester standard slug's did not leave more than one hole. The fiocchi rounds use a cool transparent case and you can see the slug from all sides as well as what looks like a "spacer" looking wad. Are the remington's the same as the fiocchi's on the inside or are there that many more wads to cause this. Or is the slug (or wad) breaking up? SLug rounds dont have a cap on the top of the shell like buckshot shells do to keep the shot in. The slug is visable on the top. I'm pretty confident it had to be wad's if I had to bet. Still interesting it only happened in the remington rounds. I did ask remington, will wait for an awnser.

February 7, 2006, 11:21 PM	#8
trubski Member Join Date: December 26, 2005 Posts: 18	Sounds like we all had the same experience. I just looked at that target again, and the irregular holes were pretty much all over the map, so I am also thinking that it must have been the wads. I also asked Remington but haven't heard from them yet.

February 8, 2006, 07:29 PM	#9
trubski Member Join Date: December 26, 2005 Posts: 18	Well, here's a response I didn't expect. I still think it's the cup or the wadding, but maybe not. From Remington: Dear Mr. xxxx, Thank you for your patience. At 20 yds it is possible. The lead is pliable and should mushroom rather than fragment. Customer (xxxxx) - 02/05/2006 03:34 PM I recently fired five 12 gauge managed recoil slugs at about 20 yards, and found that I had nine holes in my target. Is it possible that the slugs, or one of them, fragmented?

February 8, 2006, 08:25 PM	#10
gordo b. Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2002 Location: Peoples republik of Calif. Posts: 961	I have fired about 750 rounds of the Rem slug. Yes it leaves a couple extra wad holes. The slug shoots way high in most guns at 25 yards or more,which means the rear sight is gonna come down.They are VERY accurate however and my Bennelli Nova Tactical prints 2" 50yard groups with them all day. The 870s don't do quite that well. These are my favorite 870 HD loads, a butter soft 1 oz 1000fps slug should do just what a slug should- and no more around the home. I use Brennekes in semi auto guns though(and for animals ).I have hit shilos 100% of the time at 100meters, on demand , and the steel goes down at that range! The drop seemed about a foot from a 25 yard zero.I aimed at the head and hit COM.

February 8, 2006, 10:45 PM	#11
trubski Member Join Date: December 26, 2005 Posts: 18	Gordo - You wrote: "The slug shoots way high in most guns at 25 yards or more,which means the rear sight is gonna come down.They are VERY accurate however " I've been struggling with this with my Win 1300 D. I seem to consistently shoot these slugs both high and left. I'm shooting with a bead and am seriously considering rifle or peep sights on the gun to correct this. I suppose I should get serious and do some tests with other slugs first, though. However, I feel a little better now. I am pretty good with rifles, and it is somewhat frustrating to be so inaccurate with a new SG ... I am confused by what you said about 'accurate' though - do you mean 'consistent'? Thanks....

February 9, 2006, 01:19 AM	#12
gordo b. Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2002 Location: Peoples republik of Calif. Posts: 961	My Robar 870 with an Imp Cyl tube shoots into 4" at 50 Yards. The other home grown tactical 870 with a cyl barrel shoots into 6" at 50 yards, but it does not have a ghost ring only Rem rifle sights,both with the Rem reduced recoil slugs. The Robar gun shoots into 2" with Brenneke original slugs.Once again I like the Rem reduced recoil slugs in pump tactical guns, they have enough to do the job without excessive recoil (allowing for quicker shooting) or excessive penetration.

February 9, 2006, 02:02 PM	#13
dtarbox Member Join Date: July 1, 2005 Posts: 15	At 50 yards I frequesntly have wads getting stuck in a cardboard target from the managed recoil slug. D