Winchester Model 11 "Widowmaker" help needed

Bosshoff · December 9, 2005, 11:03 AM

I have a Winchester Model 11 (or 1911?) "widowmaker" 12 gauge shotgun. It was manufactured in 1920. I am somewhat familiar with the history and reputation of this oddity, but I need to get some help as to how to disassemble it. I used to know where there was an online schematic with take-down instructions, but I can't seem to locate it. I do not intend on firing this gun ever, and only want to clean it up, re-do the stock and forearm, to display it up at our cabin. If I can figure out how to get this thing appart, I will probably remove the firing pin to disable the gun.
Currently I have seperated the butstock and trigger assembly from the receiver. I have seperated the barrel and forearm from the receiver. The barrel and forearm is giving me trouble. I cannot seem to get the spring loaded forearm asembly appart. Please help!

n3twrkm4n · December 9, 2005, 11:11 AM

If no one can get you them for free consider paying .99 cents for it?

http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.as...uctSKU=PDF0522

Bosshoff · December 9, 2005, 01:05 PM

I have seen that schematic, but I need to know HOW to remove the magazine tube assembly from the barrel.

http://www.okiegunsmithshop.com/win_...model_1911.jpg

m14nut · December 9, 2005, 03:34 PM

go to this:

http://www.100megspop3.com/oldvalkyry/model11.html

it surely helped me disassemble and re-assemble my 1942 mod.11 when I replaced the fiber buffer.

And why the "widowmaker"?

Dave McC · December 9, 2005, 08:17 PM

The Winchester Model 11, or 1911, is often confused with the Remington Model 11. Completely different guns.

Browning's patent for semi auto shotguns included the operating handle. Winchester wanted to field an auto to compete but needed a way to cycle the action. Knurling a section of the barrel was their idea. The shooter grabbed the barrel and pushed it rearward to chamber a round or to empty the shotgun.

Some folks had the muzzle towards them while so doing and managed to kill themselves accidentally. Winchester eventually took 11s back and gave the owners new Model 12 pumpguns instead.

rapier144 · December 9, 2005, 08:44 PM

Buddy of mine had 1911 and asked me to take a look at it, it would shoot but wouldn't feed the second round. I never saw one before that whats funny is i told him that it was a widow maker.Didn't know at the time it was actually nicknamed that.

m14nut · December 10, 2005, 08:13 AM

my bad;

shoulda paid more attention....just saw model 11

great Idea by Winchester there...........................Not!

December 9, 2005, 11:03 AM	#1
Bosshoff Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2004 Posts: 173	Winchester Model 11 "Widowmaker" help needed I have a Winchester Model 11 (or 1911?) "widowmaker" 12 gauge shotgun. It was manufactured in 1920. I am somewhat familiar with the history and reputation of this oddity, but I need to get some help as to how to disassemble it. I used to know where there was an online schematic with take-down instructions, but I can't seem to locate it. I do not intend on firing this gun ever, and only want to clean it up, re-do the stock and forearm, to display it up at our cabin. If I can figure out how to get this thing appart, I will probably remove the firing pin to disable the gun. Currently I have seperated the butstock and trigger assembly from the receiver. I have seperated the barrel and forearm from the receiver. The barrel and forearm is giving me trouble. I cannot seem to get the spring loaded forearm asembly appart. Please help! __________________ Chop Chop! Last edited by Bosshoff; December 9, 2005 at 08:35 PM.

December 9, 2005, 11:11 AM	#2
n3twrkm4n Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2004 Posts: 629	If no one can get you them for free consider paying .99 cents for it? http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.as...uctSKU=PDF0522 __________________ There's no place like 127.0.0.1 > SELECT FROM users WHERE clue > 0 0 rows returned

December 9, 2005, 01:05 PM	#3
Bosshoff Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2004 Posts: 173	I have seen that schematic, but I need to know HOW to remove the magazine tube assembly from the barrel. http://www.okiegunsmithshop.com/win_...model_1911.jpg __________________ Chop Chop!

December 9, 2005, 03:34 PM	#4
m14nut Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2002 Location: United States Posts: 375	go to this: http://www.100megspop3.com/oldvalkyry/model11.html it surely helped me disassemble and re-assemble my 1942 mod.11 when I replaced the fiber buffer. And why the "widowmaker"? __________________ Support Our Troops -o\[[[[[[[/o-

December 9, 2005, 08:44 PM	#6
rapier144 Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2005 Location: tennessee Posts: 686	Buddy of mine had 1911 and asked me to take a look at it, it would shoot but wouldn't feed the second round. I never saw one before that whats funny is i told him that it was a widow maker.Didn't know at the time it was actually nicknamed that. __________________ Scan and Breathe Scan and Breathe Stupidity should hurt

December 9, 2005, 08:17 PM	#5
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	The Winchester Model 11, or 1911, is often confused with the Remington Model 11. Completely different guns. Browning's patent for semi auto shotguns included the operating handle. Winchester wanted to field an auto to compete but needed a way to cycle the action. Knurling a section of the barrel was their idea. The shooter grabbed the barrel and pushed it rearward to chamber a round or to empty the shotgun. Some folks had the muzzle towards them while so doing and managed to kill themselves accidentally. Winchester eventually took 11s back and gave the owners new Model 12 pumpguns instead.

December 10, 2005, 08:13 AM	#7
m14nut Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2002 Location: United States Posts: 375	my bad; shoulda paid more attention....just saw model 11 great Idea by Winchester there...........................Not! __________________ Support Our Troops -o\[[[[[[[/o-