'Close Call With A Lion' Vid link

[LateNightFlight]

If you haven't seen it already, there's a lion hunt video up on LiveLeak.com, here: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0fc_1235989196

I rate the 'pucker factor' for this one an 8.5

[billythekid007]

holy sh**!!! that would do it for me! thats amazing.. scary as hell but amazing!

[billythekid007]

ok so that sparked me too search some more of that on youtube.. check this out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CNgwZgoKFc

[Fat White Boy]

O.K.- So, does anyone not understand why "Stopping Power" is important?

[Inspector3711]

I understand why lion hunting isn't on my schedule. If it was I would be looking at something in a .35 or larger after that last one!

[Daryl]

Looks like adrenaline charged FUN!!

I'd love to hunt african lion.

Daryl

[hardhit]

Um um lion hunting is not of me! That thing was motoring that guy was toast if they didn’t put that lion down,

That’s why you make your first shot count and never ever shoot at dangerous game unless your 100% on the shot, lions are tuff animals and wounded they are unpredictable at best.

[Kreyzhorse]

That's a great clip.

[lt dan]

the ph is johan calitz

[fisherman66]

Can you say...."Depends"!

[Daryl]

Um um lion hunting is not of me! That thing was motoring that guy was toast if they didn’t put that lion down,

Stopping the lion was important, no doubt. I wouldn't be so much worried about stopping the lion (I'm very confidant in my shooting ability on running animals) as I would be about being shot by someone ELSE trying to hit the lion.

With something like that, you need to be sure everyone there knows exactly what they're doing, and won't panic.

Even so, I'd still take the challenge, given the chance.

Daryl

[Socrates]

Second clip is a canned hunt, in an enclosure, and really makes me angry. Pretty much a pet lion.

As for the first one, yes, that guy is VERY lucky. He must have hit CNS for the cat to stop that quick.

A real eye opener is watching Mark Sullivan shoot lions with his .577 or .600 Nitro Express. They take hits from that, and keep moving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZCCb...eature=related

The other thing to remember is these were males that charged. Bit unusual. The really scary part is when you get hunted by the girls....Then your dinner...

Been said that velocity in the 2400 fps range, with a 400 grain bullet, softpoint, is ideal lion medicine. Don't know about that, but, the cats in Sullivians video seem to move around a bit after being shot. Keep in mind that big double is either 650 grains to 900 grains, moving around 1900 fps.

[hardhit]

Yeah I think panic is the key word here im not sure what rifles they were using,
It looked like one guy that shot the lion had a double barrel nitro jobbie ?
and it look like he missed with this first shot, lucky for the guy he got off a good second one and stone the cat.

[Socrates]

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When you get in WAY over your head

Posted 10 August 2005 20:30
Pierr'e slowly signaled for me to come abreast of him and when I arrived he cupped his hand to his ear and begin to listen intently. A four letter word then hissed from his lips and I turned my head towards him askance only to see him staring intently into the thick bush just ahead. Following his lead, I then studied tightly woven grass right before us and saw his cause for concern. The two tawny rear legs and the round belly of a lioness were barely visible about 15 feet away. Both of us slowly raised our rifles.

I was on the third day of a ten day hunt in the Selous, enjoying a few days of 1x1 hunting for buffalo with my old friend and P.H., Pierr'e van Tonder. I'd gotten into some really exciting and close up encounters with buffalo the first two days, but had no success putting everything together. After spending most of the early morning driving around in the Land Cruiser without results, upon the trackers recommendation, we drove to a dry river bed to check the sandy soil for tracks, hoping that a buffalo or three might have decided to wait out the midday heat in the shadows of the thick vegetation on both banks.

We arrived at our destination about 11:00 a.m. and parked the safari car in the shade and walked down a steep hippo trail to the white sand. After only a few hundred yards of travel down the winding koronga and fighting the powdery footing below, I was drenched in sweat and suffering in the 90 degree heat. Buffalo hunting isn't always fun. I was already breathing hard.

Twiga, the Masai tracker, suddenly froze. I then heard branches snap and the unmistakable bovine bellow of a buffalo up on the bank. It didn't sound very far away at all. We scrambled up a hippo rut as quietly as possible and listened some more. Again and again, we all heard the characteristic grunts and groans of a herd slowly feeding along in front of us. Soon, we began to find dung, still green and wet. My pulse quickened and my focus became more intent. Pierr'e turned and made sure I was carrying my rifle, a vintage Westley Richards .450/.400 double. "Keep up," he whispered and,. "We're really close" were the only and unnecessary words that he'd say for about 20 minutes as we slipped along, both following the willowy Masai. We often stopped and scanned the shadows for the black shapes of buffalo, and occasionally saw movement but couldn't determine gender, much less the quality of a possible trophy.

Then it happened. As described in the first paragraph, we were only a few feet from a lion whose intent was the same as ours and that was killing buffalo.

I gave an involuntary shiver when, although unseen, but closer than the length of an F250, a buffalo bellowed. The lion before us sprang and there was a tremendous whack of flesh on flesh just to the right of me. I couldn't tell if the lion had hit the buffalo, or the other way around, but within a second or two, the harpies of hell broke loose.

The tremendous thunder of hundreds of buffalo hooves was all around us. Lions growled and roared. The thud of hundreds... no... thousands of pounds of bodies colliding was seemingly continuous. Twiga had moved just to our rear and Pierr'e and I were back to back... and I silently thanked God that he shot left-handed. His .500 Jeffery was at his shoulder and my double at mine..

The thunder got infinitely louder and a cow and a full-grown calf came around a large clump of brush and headed directly for us with a lioness only inches behind them, swinging deliberately with her left front paw at the left flank of the mama buffalo. I could easily see terror in the eyes of the cow and cold deliberation in the coal-black pupils of the pursuer. The cow had a huge part of its ham ripped from it and its nose was spraying blood like a garden hose.

Before either Pierr'e or I could even react, all three animals saw us and skidded to a stop, a distance we later stepped off at seven paces. Pierr'e whispered to take a buffalo if they come an inch closer and I told him that I'd take the buff on the right... I guess we just prayed that the lion would flee at the shot. I don't remember why the buffalo seemed the greatest threat, but I clearly remember that it was.

And then I could feel Pierr'e become steel. "On the left..", and somehow, still keeping my attention on the two buffalo and the lioness in my sights, I saw a full-grown killing machine's head and shoulders appear only a couple of feet below the up raised rifle barrel of the Professional Hunter against whom my spine pressed. From a slither like a snake, she never gave us a glance and sprung for the calf. I'll never forget that leap. From almost under our feet she had no trajectory in her flight, but just powered straight at the animal, hitting it full on, spinning upon contact and attempting catch the nose within her powerful jaws. She succeeded and wrenched the calf's neck almost off its body as she dug her claws into the horribly moaning buffalo.

When the lioness under Pierr'e feet had jumped at the calf, its mother had valiantly lunged at the oncoming blur but missed. As a byproduct of her attempt to save her calf, she caused the lioness behind her to miss in its simultaneous attack from the rear, all this resulting in a roiling and bloody tangle of two lioness and two desperate buffalo in a tornado of death immediately before us.

As if a time out whistle had blown, the lions just let go of the prey and the temporarily reprieved buffalo stood only inches away from their attackers (and only feet from us). I could see the gore-covered heaving chests of the lions. Their teeth were bared. They purred a terrifyingly gentle r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r. Both cats just sat on their haunches for ten or so seconds and gathered strength, it seemed. And then with a look that said, "I know you're there", they turned their stares to us and squared their shoulders in our direction. I was so damn close to the "right" lioness that the round bead on the front sight didn't even cover the entire bloody nose of the animal I had targeted. I began to very deliberately pull the trigger. I had had enough.

A millisecond before the sear broke, the buffalo took the opportunity to spin away and the chase was on again. "My" lion was after the calf this time and she whipped her paws at the retreating legs of the animal and ripped at its hams with teeth that seemed as long a those of a saber-toothed tiger.

What the hell! Three additional lions that we'd never seen flew past us just missing Twiga who was at our rear. Later he told us he'd seen them within yards, crouched in the shadows, but figured there wasn't a damned thing we could do about them with all the carnage going on in front of us.

Both wounded buffalo tried to get up a steep hill, but with the damage already done and the harrying of the lions, couldn't make it up and over. They turned and came charging back directly at us, only to be turned to my right by another lioness, to then unseen, that is, until she professionally performed her blocking tactic. I'd never seen her even though she first appeared only the length of a good trout rod from me. I aimed at the hole in her ear until she completed her task when the buffalo turned back and bayed against a tree trunk. By this time, in full view, we could count six lions. One or two were juvenile males... but big as hell... and they all fanned before us and made a semi-circle around the screaming buffalo.

The lions had it figured out. The two in the center just awaited the inevitable while the other four began to slide to the sides and rear of the buffalo.... again, all this no further away than the length of a fairly "makeable" birdie putt. Twiga tapped me and pointed to our right side. A fully adult male, albeit with only a thin mane and a still yellow nose was slipping through the brush with a path that would go over my shaking feet. I signaled to Pierr'e that I wanted to give way.

Pierr'e grabbed me by the shirt and pulled. Still back to back, we moved away from the oncoming lion who alternately glanced at our retreating figures and back at his prospective dinner. He was pretty well stove up, and we latter figured that the initial contact had been a successful, if temporary bashing of this big guy by one of the buffalo in the herd.... but who knows? Thankfully, he made his way into the circle of lions and let us retire to where we now had twenty yards of comfort. Whoopee.. Twenty yards. Think about it.

For the first time, I took my eyes off of the lions and buffalo to assess a path up the hill and to relative safety. Pierr'e, angry as hell, said, "Don't you dare take your eyes off of them". I complied.

As if on a signal, the lions again attacked and all the animals, the killers and the prey, thundered in a cloud of dust and flying blood down toward the dry river bed. Ripping, tearing... all the lions taking their turns in perfect time. I was in awe.

Pierr'e, Twiga and I didn't speak or move for maybe a full minute, still expecting another lion or tiger or dragon or Viet Cong or T-Rex to come out of the bushes at us. Then we heard the plantive death moan of a buffalo... a short pause and the sound of a single buff galloping madly away from us through the brush and the whisper-whip of the grass as the lions followed..

We looked where we had stood during the majority of the incident. Blood was all around where our feet had been. We looked at our britches... we were peppered with tiny specks of red. Our legs wobbled. We wanted to sit down, but were afraid to do so because we didn't know if we'd be able to get up. We began a stupid giggle and the game scout and assistant tracker who had witnessed the whole thing from the immediate hillside, joined us... We all jabbered, no one paying one bit of attention to the other...

Finally, we began to all tell our stories to each other..... stories bound to be embellished some as time passed, but right then.. It was real and we couldn't lie to each other. Pierr'e, Twiga and I had bonded as brothers... it was the most exciting time I had ever spent in my life...

I didn't just witness the Cadillacs of Killers in action.. I had been a part of it. I didn't see it on television or even sit in a safari car and watch it from a distance. I had blood on me. It was primal, basic, perfect, raw and the most scarlet and scariest damn thing that man may be able to walk away from.

And unlike Francis Macomber, I, in Pierre's eyes, had passed the test....

And I felt pretty darn good about that.

We carefully backtracked to the vehicle and I tried to eat lunch. I threw up my guts when I took the first bite.... And then thought a little more kindly about the dear deceased Mr. Macumber. My reaction just took 15 minutes longer than his, I guess.

I've been to the mountaintop, it seems. I loved every frantic second and I wanted it to last forever. I wanted the Westley Richards to thump against my shoulder when the lion took one more step or the buff lowered her head to charge. I felt strength in my brothers' back and pure joy in their laughter afterwards. And the memories are mine until I die... burned into my brain as sure as a brand.

And I guess that's why I go to Africa..


JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.

[Creature]

I'm kinda sad that the lion lost....at least he almost got a piece of one of those knuckleheads.

[Brian Pfleuger]

Hm, maybe that's why you don't CHASE a wounded lion? I mean, Hello?, follow maybe, RUN AFTER? NOOOO!?!!?!!

[Socrates]

Yep. I'm not a great fan of Mark Sullivan. Leopard and lions shot weren't exactly attacking anyone, and, I think their skins look much better on the cats then anyone else...
That said, they may not be around much longer, and, having a trophy of what used to walk the earth might be kind of cool...

TO ALL FOLKS PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THE POST ABOUT BUFFALO HUNTING IN THE QUOTE I POSTED BELOW. IT IS ONE OF THE GREATEST PIECES EVER WRITTEN ABOUT HUNTING BIG GAME, IN A VERY SHORT FORMAT.

[LateNightFlight]

When you get in WAY over your head

Wow! Hell'va read... really well authored. Thanks for the post up!

[Socrates]

From a slither like a snake, she never gave us a glance and sprung for the calf. I'll never forget that leap. From almost under our feet she had no trajectory in her flight, but just powered straight at the animal, hitting it full on, spinning upon contact and attempting catch the nose within her powerful jaws. She succeeded and wrenched the calf's neck almost off its body as she dug her claws into the horribly moaning buffalo.

[lt dan]

hey tony i hope i spelled your surname right. i see that some of the guys here think that Johan and his fellow hunters panicked. or that they were fools to pursue the wounded lion.

gentleman seriously, look at the video again you will see at least two very important things.

1) the willingness of the ph's to put their live on the line to bring to an end the misery of a wounded lion. we as laptop hunters can debate this but to these men to kill a wounded animal is a code they live by.

2) if you think they panicked it does not explain why they ran after the dangerous animal. but if you check the vid again you will see that as soon as the lion makes its intentions clear you will see the the ph's in the charging animal position ie going down on one knee and therefore giving up the choice to flee and thus excepting the lions challenge.

i say again the snr ph in this vid is Johan Calitz, a man that is prominently featured in ESPN's Under wild skies.

is this the correct way to hunt a lion? no. but this is the kind of guys you want with you when you( the client) messed up the first shot.

anyway Tony i just thought that you can vouch for Johan's valor

[Socrates]

That hunter made an AMAZING shot. Wonder what caliber the rifle was?
I've watched a lot of video of people hunting lions, and, it appears the target area for a CNS hit is very small, and, they are just flat hard to kill with one shot.

Lt. Dan: any idea to the caliber rifle used? Had to be a spine or brain shot, wouldn't you think?

[Daryl]

hey tony i hope i spelled your surname right. i see that some of the guys here think that Johan and his fellow hunters panicked. or that they were fools to pursue the wounded lion.

I don't know if this is meant for me or not, but to clearify...

I did not mean to imply that they panicked. In fact, it appears to me that all involved did exactly what needed done.

My statement above was made only because I've hunted with some danged fools that I WOULD NOT want behind me in that scenario. If they were, I'd be more afraid of them than the cat.

And worrying about the guy(s) behind you could cause some problems when you need to focus on what's in front of you to stay alive.

So, if it was meant for me, then re-read my post and you should understand my meaning a little better.

Daryl

[B.N.Real]

Personally,I would never want to walk into a forest like that to find anything that ready to kill me.

That said,they responded to the situation prefectly and the lion died with the second shot immediately.

Everyone that wants to go to Alaska and hug a Grizzly bear should watch this.

Four guys with rifles almost became dinner had they not been well trained and well ready for the charge they knew might come.

And the irony here is that,the money spent on that lion hunt might be the reason that lion was able to be alive at all.

As long as their is a commercial reason for those people to not kill the lions outright,they will have an incentive to keep them and their habitat safe.

Do I like it?

No,but I fully understand it.

[LateNightFlight]

And the irony here is that,the money spent on that lion hunt might be the reason that lion was able to be alive at all.

Good point. As long as there is an interest in hunting lions, there is also an incentive to protect habitat and preserve their numbers.

The example of Ducks Unlimited comes to mind, where hunters are the strongest habitat and conservation advocates.

[lt dan]

daryl, no worries mate and if i offended you it was unintentional.

socrates, i dont know what caliber Johan uses here. i have limited exposure to his set-up. however this is the first time i saw him with what looks like a double. Johan has a website maybe we should ask him for some more info on the rifle and the whole story.

he advertises in a local hunting mag will try to find the web adress