PA-TFL-Rally Point-Class III shoot

Jamie Young · November 3, 2006, 06:29 PM

TheRallyPoint

TheRallyPoint will be on Sunday- December 3rd- 12pm-3pm at www.classicpistol.com in Pennyslvania.

This is a Class III friendly shoot and for the more experienced shooters. You don't have to shoot full-auto to attend this shoot, but you have to be experienced before Classic Pistol or any Class III owner will allow you to shoot. Come out for the show.

Classic Pistol has the following Class III firearms for rent:

MP5
UMP45
Thompson 1928
M16
M16 in 40 cal

Details will be added to this post as soon as I nail them down. Since many of us have family and holidays stuff in December, I figured I'd better get this on the calendar ASAP. This is also a rehearsal for an upcoming Maryland shoot in January which is also Class III friendly.

Dead · November 4, 2006, 06:53 PM

Hoping to make it there..

Jamie Young · November 10, 2006, 09:24 AM

Here are the rates for shooting at Classic Pistol http://www.classicpistol.com/rentals...mber_rates.asp

Please let us know who is coming, I'm not sure what we're gonna do about food yet.

Spread the word!!

gfen · November 10, 2006, 10:15 AM

Interested, but what does "experienced" mean WRT renting a machine gun? I'd certainly like to give it a go.

Jamie Young · November 10, 2006, 02:56 PM

We won't be training anyone on full auto weapons and we won't be putting Class III firearms in the hands of people that don't own them. You will be allowed to rent Class III firearms from Classic Pistol and they will have a firearm instructor teach you. I'm not making judgement calls on any of that. That is on the person renting the gun and on Classic Pistol.

Pistol caliber FA guns are nothing. The First time I shot an MP5 I just started out with semi-auto then 3rd burst, and then proceeded to dump a full mag. It's always best ease your way into it.

Jamie Young · November 14, 2006, 02:14 PM

There is a chance we'll get a group rate if enough people show up.

Please let me know if you are coming even if it is 24hrs notice.

shaggy · November 14, 2006, 02:50 PM

I'll be there along with an M16/M4, M11, and maybe my HK51. I've got a transfer in right now for a .45 Spitfire - if I'm really lucky maybe that will get approved in time to bring it along also.

Jamie Young · November 14, 2006, 02:58 PM

I'm bringing a ton of 9mm and .223, but I'm not sure about all of the calibers on some of the FA guns people are bringing.

What is the 45Spitfire? What does the M11 shoot? I have the Sig 228-M11, but I know that's not what your M11 is.

shaggy · November 14, 2006, 06:50 PM

Jamie,

The Spitfire is a .45 - hopefully I'l have it by the 3rd. They're crude, but they work. Try to think of what a Thompson would look like if made from a piece of muffler pipe by a chimpanzee on acid

The M11 shoots 9mm. I just remembered I need a new buffer so I'll order a Mac-jack buffer tomorrow. With a standard buffer they run about 1100-1200rpm. With a Mac-Jack they run about 1800 rpm - by the time the first shell hits the ground, the gun is empty. Wheee!!!!!

The HK51 is a 308. The best way to describe an HK51 is an MP5 on steroids with a bad attitude. Its about the same size as an MP5, but then you notice the mag well is much bigger. Its about as loud and obnoxious as an M2HB and throws a huge fireball along with that 308.

GeorgeF · November 15, 2006, 01:07 AM

I'll be there with Bren (.303) and some SMG - either MP40 or M3A1. If my buddy can make it, the MP40 - otherwise I'll bring the M3A1.

Jamie Young · November 15, 2006, 09:06 PM

The funny thing about this shoot is the fact that their are a whole bunch of guns coming that I never heard of before.

GeorgeF · November 17, 2006, 03:24 PM

Yeah! These guys with their new-fangled Spitfires, M11's and HK's. Whatever happened to good ol metal and wood?

Just kiding, especially as the M3A1 has got to be one of the homeliest guns out there (in a manly WW2 kind of way).

I look forward to seeing what the other folks bring out - should be lots of fun.

shaggy · November 17, 2006, 04:21 PM

George I'm sorry, but the Spitfire is the ugliest gun out there.

Its the hairy mole on the arse of the gun world. Ironically though, some greasegun parts can be modified and used for spares in a Spitfire - maybe they share some common lineage in ugly. FWIW, I just picked up a greasegun barrel, bolt, and recoil assembly for mine.

Jamie Young · November 17, 2006, 05:05 PM

Do I have to wear any special clothing to shoot those guns? Suit and tie?

shaggy · November 17, 2006, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Do I have to wear any special clothing to shoot those guns? Suit and tie?

Well, to quote Jeff Spicoli: "No shirt, no shoes, no dice!"

GeorgeF · November 17, 2006, 10:29 PM

For the BREN, I recommend spats and a bowler. For the Grease Gun, overalls would be just fine.

Jamie Young · November 17, 2006, 10:47 PM

How many times do I have to change clothing for this?

Let me guess....full SWAT Team apparel for the MP5? Do I have to hold a little Cuban boy when I shoot the MP5?

GeorgeF · November 19, 2006, 07:12 PM

Well, no one said you couldnt wear spats with your overalls....

GeorgeF · November 25, 2006, 03:31 PM

Anyone have a Taurus PT145 they can bring along? Been looking to see how they handle.

Jamie Young · November 25, 2006, 09:17 PM

Anyone have a Sig 239 in .357 Sig they can bring out? I'll be shooting mostly FA guns, but I'm interested in another Sig 239 other than the 9mm I usually carry.

GeorgeF · November 25, 2006, 10:13 PM

Well heck - I gotta bring my SIG 239 too? I'm going to have to start making a list

I dont think I have any ammo though, you may have to get a box there.

Jamie Young · November 25, 2006, 10:38 PM

You have one in .357 Sig?

GeorgeF · November 26, 2006, 04:23 PM

Affirmative -with only about 100 rounds through it.

Jamie Young · November 27, 2006, 10:27 PM

Less than a week!!!

GeorgeF · November 29, 2006, 10:04 AM

Everyone bringing NFA items - DONT FORGET YOUR PAPERWORK! Would stink to make the trip and not be able to play with the toys.

November 3, 2006, 06:29 PM	#1
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	PA-TFL-Rally Point-Class III shoot TheRallyPoint TheRallyPoint will be on Sunday- December 3rd- 12pm-3pm at www.classicpistol.com in Pennyslvania. This is a Class III friendly shoot and for the more experienced shooters. You don't have to shoot full-auto to attend this shoot, but you have to be experienced before Classic Pistol or any Class III owner will allow you to shoot. Come out for the show. Classic Pistol has the following Class III firearms for rent: MP5 UMP45 Thompson 1928 M16 M16 in 40 cal Details will be added to this post as soon as I nail them down. Since many of us have family and holidays stuff in December, I figured I'd better get this on the calendar ASAP. This is also a rehearsal for an upcoming Maryland shoot in January which is also Class III friendly. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

November 4, 2006, 06:53 PM	#2
Dead Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2000 Location: AoW Land, USA Posts: 1,968	Hoping to make it there.. __________________ Dead [Black Ops] www.therallypoint.org

November 10, 2006, 09:24 AM	#3
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Here are the rates for shooting at Classic Pistol http://www.classicpistol.com/rentals...mber_rates.asp Please let us know who is coming, I'm not sure what we're gonna do about food yet. Spread the word!! __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

November 10, 2006, 02:56 PM	#5
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	We won't be training anyone on full auto weapons and we won't be putting Class III firearms in the hands of people that don't own them. You will be allowed to rent Class III firearms from Classic Pistol and they will have a firearm instructor teach you. I'm not making judgement calls on any of that. That is on the person renting the gun and on Classic Pistol. Pistol caliber FA guns are nothing. The First time I shot an MP5 I just started out with semi-auto then 3rd burst, and then proceeded to dump a full mag. It's always best ease your way into it. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

November 14, 2006, 02:14 PM	#6
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	There is a chance we'll get a group rate if enough people show up. Please let me know if you are coming even if it is 24hrs notice. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

November 10, 2006, 10:15 AM	#4
gfen Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2005 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 817	Interested, but what does "experienced" mean WRT renting a machine gun? I'd certainly like to give it a go.

November 14, 2006, 02:50 PM	#7
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	I'll be there along with an M16/M4, M11, and maybe my HK51. I've got a transfer in right now for a .45 Spitfire - if I'm really lucky maybe that will get approved in time to bring it along also.

November 14, 2006, 02:58 PM	#8
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	I'm bringing a ton of 9mm and .223, but I'm not sure about all of the calibers on some of the FA guns people are bringing. What is the 45Spitfire? What does the M11 shoot? I have the Sig 228-M11, but I know that's not what your M11 is. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

November 14, 2006, 06:50 PM	#9
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	Jamie, The Spitfire is a .45 - hopefully I'l have it by the 3rd. They're crude, but they work. Try to think of what a Thompson would look like if made from a piece of muffler pipe by a chimpanzee on acid The M11 shoots 9mm. I just remembered I need a new buffer so I'll order a Mac-jack buffer tomorrow. With a standard buffer they run about 1100-1200rpm. With a Mac-Jack they run about 1800 rpm - by the time the first shell hits the ground, the gun is empty. Wheee!!!!! The HK51 is a 308. The best way to describe an HK51 is an MP5 on steroids with a bad attitude. Its about the same size as an MP5, but then you notice the mag well is much bigger. Its about as loud and obnoxious as an M2HB and throws a huge fireball along with that 308.

November 15, 2006, 01:07 AM	#10
GeorgeF Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2004 Posts: 572	I'll be there with Bren (.303) and some SMG - either MP40 or M3A1. If my buddy can make it, the MP40 - otherwise I'll bring the M3A1.

November 15, 2006, 09:06 PM	#11
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	The funny thing about this shoot is the fact that their are a whole bunch of guns coming that I never heard of before. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

November 17, 2006, 03:24 PM	#12
GeorgeF Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2004 Posts: 572	Yeah! These guys with their new-fangled Spitfires, M11's and HK's. Whatever happened to good ol metal and wood? Just kiding, especially as the M3A1 has got to be one of the homeliest guns out there (in a manly WW2 kind of way). I look forward to seeing what the other folks bring out - should be lots of fun.

November 17, 2006, 04:21 PM	#13
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	George I'm sorry, but the Spitfire is the ugliest gun out there. Its the hairy mole on the arse of the gun world. Ironically though, some greasegun parts can be modified and used for spares in a Spitfire - maybe they share some common lineage in ugly. FWIW, I just picked up a greasegun barrel, bolt, and recoil assembly for mine.

November 17, 2006, 05:05 PM	#14
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Do I have to wear any special clothing to shoot those guns? Suit and tie? __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

November 17, 2006, 10:29 PM	#16
GeorgeF Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2004 Posts: 572	For the BREN, I recommend spats and a bowler. For the Grease Gun, overalls would be just fine.

November 17, 2006, 10:47 PM	#17
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	How many times do I have to change clothing for this? Let me guess....full SWAT Team apparel for the MP5? Do I have to hold a little Cuban boy when I shoot the MP5? __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

November 19, 2006, 07:12 PM	#18
GeorgeF Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2004 Posts: 572	Well, no one said you couldnt wear spats with your overalls....

November 25, 2006, 03:31 PM	#19
GeorgeF Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2004 Posts: 572	Anyone have a Taurus PT145 they can bring along? Been looking to see how they handle.

November 25, 2006, 09:17 PM	#20
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Anyone have a Sig 239 in .357 Sig they can bring out? I'll be shooting mostly FA guns, but I'm interested in another Sig 239 other than the 9mm I usually carry. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

November 25, 2006, 10:13 PM	#21
GeorgeF Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2004 Posts: 572	Well heck - I gotta bring my SIG 239 too? I'm going to have to start making a list I dont think I have any ammo though, you may have to get a box there.

November 25, 2006, 10:38 PM	#22
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	You have one in .357 Sig? __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

November 26, 2006, 04:23 PM	#23
GeorgeF Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2004 Posts: 572	Affirmative -with only about 100 rounds through it.

November 27, 2006, 10:27 PM	#24
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Less than a week!!! __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

November 29, 2006, 10:04 AM	#25
GeorgeF Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2004 Posts: 572	Everyone bringing NFA items - DONT FORGET YOUR PAPERWORK! Would stink to make the trip and not be able to play with the toys.