S.W.A.T. Mentioned on Fox News

**Rich Lucibella** · October 16, 2002, 11:05 AM

I'm told by reliable sources that an "expert" on Fox News last night mentioned us in the following context:

Quote:

You can bet that when they find this guy, they'll find a lot of "salacious" material like Soldier of Fortune and S.W.A.T. Magazine.

Salacious? I think that means "obscene".

Interesting. I wonder if all the LEO's and Agencies that I show on our Subscriber List are aware that their reading interests are "salacious"?
Rich

Tamara · October 16, 2002, 11:32 AM

I am about sick and tired of my hobby, which is not only legal but constitutionally enshrined being treated like kiddie porn.

Denny Hansen · October 16, 2002, 12:11 PM

Damn, I missed that!

Have seen Mark Furhman (sp?) of OJ debacle, uh, I mean trial, fame the last couple of nights. Think what you will of this guy, but IMO he's been one of the most intelligent of the "experts" interviewed thus far.

Denny

Correia · October 16, 2002, 12:15 PM

Rich, your getting famous (or is it infamous?) TFL was mentioned in the Wall Street Journal.

I don't think of SWAT as porn, though there was that one picture of Flint showing us his belly band.

Screw the news. They never get anything right anyway.

Bartholomew Roberts · October 16, 2002, 12:20 PM

Actually, if the gouge from the Tactical Forums is correct the expert in question is Eric Haney.

Jeff White · October 16, 2002, 12:23 PM

Rich,

It was retired Sergeant Major Eric Haney. He just published a book on his years in the special operations unit the army doesn't acknowledge exists.

He made some other rather inane comments.....Doesn't his publisher advertise in S.W.A.T.? So maybe he's trying to sell his book to the same group he just slandered?

Or maybe his book shouldn't be published...it would probably only be read by wannbes and budding terrorists. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Pehaps a S.W.A.T./TFL Boycott is in order.

Jeff

Steve B · October 16, 2002, 01:05 PM

If I`d known there was salacious material in SWAT, I would have subscribed ages ago!

I hope the sniper is a Mother Jones/Atlantic Monthly reader.....

(guess that wouldn`t be relevant)

**Rich Lucibella** · October 16, 2002, 01:21 PM

Correia-
Link to WSJ article?

Jeff-
Thanks for the info. No boycott necessary. I won't stoop to his level.

OF · October 16, 2002, 01:26 PM

Any press is good press. Or so they say.

- Gabe

Main Entry: sa·la·cious
Pronunciation: s&-'lA-sh&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin salac-, salax, from salire to move spasmodically
Date: circa 1645
1 : arousing or appealing to sexual desire or imagination : LASCIVIOUS
2 : LECHEROUS, LUSTFUL
- sa·la·cious·ly adverb
- sa·la·cious·ness noun

KSFreeman · October 16, 2002, 05:46 PM

SWAT salacious? How icky. I mean who would want to have sexual relations with Brent Wheat? [shudder]

I really into firearms, but I prefer the young and nubile myself, not that there's anything wrong with that kind of thing.

Tamara · October 16, 2002, 06:27 PM

WSJ article dicussed here.

Betty · October 16, 2002, 07:18 PM

Well, I guess I'll stuff my copies of SWAT up under the mattress and hope Oleg doesn't find them....

I did almost have a "salacious" moment when I saw the article on the new Taurus Tracker, but that quickly ended when I read that the cartridges would easily spill from the moon clips.

garrettwc · October 16, 2002, 07:51 PM

Salacious huh?

Is there going to be a SWAT channel on my late night cable TV soon?

My guess is that these people are the same type of extremists that would have Tom Sawyer or Catcher in the Rye banned from school english classes.

If they don't like it it's destined to become a classic literary tome.

No4Mk1 · October 16, 2002, 08:04 PM

Between this and the recent post by Chaim, I wonder when the Feds will drop in to subpoena TFL's records and start backtracking the IP addresses of 16k+ members.....

Guess I'll go put on my tin-foil hat and barricade myself in the closet now....

HL.

C.R.Sam · October 16, 2002, 10:50 PM

Cool addition to resume' for several of us...
Posed for published pics in porn pub.

Mas

Fred Hansen · October 16, 2002, 11:50 PM

New letters section?

Dear S.W.A.T.,

You aren't going to believe this, but it really happened to me. I was reading your really cool magazine when I heard a wicked loud crash. I quickly jumped into my mall ninja gear and did a full sabrina as I exited our frat complete with a forward somersault w/ a half twist like Mel Gibson does in those way phat Lethal weapon flicks.

Once I was outside, I could see that a sorority tour bus had rear-ended a beer truck......

bastiat · October 16, 2002, 11:53 PM

Heh. Those stories are true, you know...

HKguy9 · October 18, 2002, 09:46 PM

I read it for the articles.

redhead · October 18, 2002, 09:55 PM

Tamara wrote that she is sick and tired of her constitutionally enshrined right to keep and bear arms (I've liberally paraphrased) being treated like kiddie porn.

A few months ago, I had gotten a new issue of American Handgunner, and was reading it while getting the oil changed in my car at one of the local Jiffy Lubes. A woman with two young daughters (I'd guess around 6 and 9) came in and sat down next to me. I heard one of the young ones whisper to her mom: "Mommy, there are pictures of guns!"

I was really appalled. I was embarrassed, but I shouldn't have been. Geeeze....

pax · October 19, 2002, 02:07 AM

And did you smile your most friendly smile and engage them in conversation?

"Yes, kiddo, my magazine has lots of pictures of guns in it. I like to learn about guns. Has your mom taught you what to do if you see a gun at your friend's house?"

As for being embarrassed. You can be sure that the poor mom wanted to fall right through the floor, when her daughter "whispered" loudlly enough for you to hear!

pax

redhead · October 19, 2002, 12:23 PM

I wish I had smiled my most friendly smile and engaged them in conversation. As I said, my immediate reaction was embarrassment, as if I had been caught reading the most explicit porn in public. I guess I'm letting myself get beaten down by the anti's. *sigh* In fact, when I got home, and told my husband about it, I said that I felt like i'd been seen reading a porn mag in public. Next time, I'll do it differently. Having grown up in Idaho, now living in the SF bay area in California, things are so different here. I'm not accustomed to having to defend my values at this level.

Kentucky Rifle · October 19, 2002, 12:54 PM

Law abiding shooters are getting pretty tired of being vilified for their safe and LEGAL hobby. To say nothing about practicing the ability to defend yourself. But I think the thing that irritated me the most was a post from someone (sorry, I don't remember who) which stated that their daughter had came home from school and said her teacher had put up the second amendment worded as-- "The Right To Have An Army".
I'm still not over that one! DAMMIT! A grade school teacher changing the Bill Of Rights.
Plus, I'm not very happy about the "salacious" shot either. Maybe they think S.W.A.T. should be delivered in a "brown paper wrapping". What does the "salacious" thing mean? That we won't be just as happy when this whacko is caught?

KR

**Rich Lucibella** · October 19, 2002, 01:11 PM

Watching Haney now on Fox. Intelligent and articulate.

However, he's got a book out, Inside Delta Force: The Story of America's Elite Military Unit. I have to wonder what magazines he thinks HIS readers subscribe to. ???
Rich

pax · October 19, 2002, 01:13 PM

Quote:

What does the "salacious" thing mean? That we won't be just as happy when this whacko is caught?

It means that some ignoramous likes to use big words without understanding what they mean.

Yeah, I'm with you, KR. It's enough to make steam come out of my ears!

Redhead, I didn't and don't mean to imply criticism of the way you handled it ... was just thinking out loud. On another thread, someone (ahenry?) commented that gun owners contribute to the fear that antis have, by acting as though our guns are something to be ashamed of. It's hard to change the culture that way!

That said, I'm glad not to live in the Bay Area anymore. I grew up down there, and the culture is really ... different ... from the rest of America.

pax

Jeff White · October 19, 2002, 01:27 PM

Rich,

I don't know what magazine his readers subscribe to, because I dropped his book off my list after I heard that. The insult to S.W.A.T. aside, his comments gave me some insight into the possible tone of his book.

I think that the quality of SOF has gone down in the past couple years, S.W.A.T. has definiately become the leading mass market magazine of it's type in quality. I find a lot of it is higher quality then the limited distribution professional journals in both the police and military fields.

Jeff

143=T

October 16, 2002, 11:32 AM	#2
Tamara Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 16,002	I am about sick and tired of my hobby, which is not only legal but constitutionally enshrined being treated like kiddie porn. __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum.

October 16, 2002, 12:11 PM	#3
Denny Hansen Staff Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Posts: 2,422	Damn, I missed that! Have seen Mark Furhman (sp?) of OJ debacle, uh, I mean trial, fame the last couple of nights. Think what you will of this guy, but IMO he's been one of the most intelligent of the "experts" interviewed thus far. Denny __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

October 16, 2002, 01:21 PM	#8
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	Correia- Link to WSJ article? Jeff- Thanks for the info. No boycott necessary. I won't stoop to his level. __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

October 16, 2002, 05:46 PM	#10
KSFreeman Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2001 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America Posts: 5,418	SWAT salacious? How icky. I mean who would want to have sexual relations with Brent Wheat? [shudder] I really into firearms, but I prefer the young and nubile myself, not that there's anything wrong with that kind of thing. __________________ "Arguments of policy must give way to a constitutional command." Payton v. New York, 445 U.S. 573, 602 (1980).

October 16, 2002, 06:27 PM	#11
Tamara Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 16,002	Rich, WSJ article dicussed here. __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum.

October 16, 2002, 12:15 PM	#4
Correia Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 1998 Location: SLC Utah Posts: 3,740	Rich, your getting famous (or is it infamous?) TFL was mentioned in the Wall Street Journal. I don't think of SWAT as porn, though there was that one picture of Flint showing us his belly band. Screw the news. They never get anything right anyway.

October 16, 2002, 12:20 PM	#5
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	Actually, if the gouge from the Tactical Forums is correct the expert in question is Eric Haney.

October 16, 2002, 12:23 PM	#6
Jeff White Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1998 Location: Kinmundy, IL, USA Posts: 1,397	Rich, It was retired Sergeant Major Eric Haney. He just published a book on his years in the special operations unit the army doesn't acknowledge exists. He made some other rather inane comments.....Doesn't his publisher advertise in S.W.A.T.? So maybe he's trying to sell his book to the same group he just slandered? Or maybe his book shouldn't be published...it would probably only be read by wannbes and budding terrorists. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Pehaps a S.W.A.T./TFL Boycott is in order. Jeff

October 16, 2002, 01:05 PM	#7
Steve B Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2000 Location: Maynard, MA Posts: 106	If I`d known there was salacious material in SWAT, I would have subscribed ages ago! I hope the sniper is a Mother Jones/Atlantic Monthly reader..... (guess that wouldn`t be relevant)

October 16, 2002, 01:26 PM	#9
OF Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2000 Posts: 2,239	Any press is good press. Or so they say. - Gabe Main Entry: sa·la·cious Pronunciation: s&-'lA-sh&s Function: adjective Etymology: Latin salac-, salax, from salire to move spasmodically Date: circa 1645 1 : arousing or appealing to sexual desire or imagination : LASCIVIOUS 2 : LECHEROUS, LUSTFUL - sa·la·cious·ly adverb - sa·la·cious·ness noun

October 16, 2002, 07:18 PM	#12
Betty Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2000 Location: southern U.S. Posts: 1,807	Well, I guess I'll stuff my copies of SWAT up under the mattress and hope Oleg doesn't find them.... I did almost have a "salacious" moment when I saw the article on the new Taurus Tracker, but that quickly ended when I read that the cartridges would easily spill from the moon clips.

October 16, 2002, 07:51 PM	#13
garrettwc Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2001 Posts: 641	Salacious huh? Is there going to be a SWAT channel on my late night cable TV soon? My guess is that these people are the same type of extremists that would have Tom Sawyer or Catcher in the Rye banned from school english classes. If they don't like it it's destined to become a classic literary tome.

October 16, 2002, 08:04 PM	#14
No4Mk1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 431	Between this and the recent post by Chaim, I wonder when the Feds will drop in to subpoena TFL's records and start backtracking the IP addresses of 16k+ members..... Guess I'll go put on my tin-foil hat and barricade myself in the closet now.... HL. __________________ The beauty of Grace is that it makes life not fair.... http://www.guncollectorsforum.com

October 16, 2002, 10:50 PM	#15
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Cool addition to resume' for several of us... Posed for published pics in porn pub. Mas

October 16, 2002, 11:50 PM	#16
Fred Hansen Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2001 Location: The middle of WWIII Posts: 3,335	New letters section? Dear S.W.A.T., You aren't going to believe this, but it really happened to me. I was reading your really cool magazine when I heard a wicked loud crash. I quickly jumped into my mall ninja gear and did a full sabrina as I exited our frat complete with a forward somersault w/ a half twist like Mel Gibson does in those way phat Lethal weapon flicks. Once I was outside, I could see that a sorority tour bus had rear-ended a beer truck...... __________________ "This started out as a documentary on gun violence in America, but the largest mass murder in our history was just committed -- without the use of a single gun! Not a single bullet fired! No bomb was set off, no missile was fired, no weapon (i.e., a device that was solely and specifically manufactured to kill humans) was used. A boxcutter! -- I can't stop thinking about this. A thousand gun control laws would not have prevented this massacre. What am I doing?" Michael Moore

October 16, 2002, 11:53 PM	#17
bastiat Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 2001 Posts: 1,771	Heh. Those stories are true, you know... __________________ Flashbunny.org - Pro-Freedom Propaganda Politically Incorrect & Pro-Gun Stuff To Buy

October 18, 2002, 09:46 PM	#18
HKguy9 Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2001 Posts: 2,132	I read it for the articles. __________________ P7M8, VP9

October 18, 2002, 09:55 PM	#19
redhead Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2002 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 111	Tamara wrote that she is sick and tired of her constitutionally enshrined right to keep and bear arms (I've liberally paraphrased) being treated like kiddie porn. A few months ago, I had gotten a new issue of American Handgunner, and was reading it while getting the oil changed in my car at one of the local Jiffy Lubes. A woman with two young daughters (I'd guess around 6 and 9) came in and sat down next to me. I heard one of the young ones whisper to her mom: "Mommy, there are pictures of guns!" I was really appalled. I was embarrassed, but I shouldn't have been. Geeeze.... __________________ "In a land of sheep, even a toothless wolf is king"

October 19, 2002, 02:07 AM	#20
pax Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2000 Location: In a state of flux Posts: 7,520	And did you smile your most friendly smile and engage them in conversation? "Yes, kiddo, my magazine has lots of pictures of guns in it. I like to learn about guns. Has your mom taught you what to do if you see a gun at your friend's house?" As for being embarrassed. You can be sure that the poor mom wanted to fall right through the floor, when her daughter "whispered" loudlly enough for you to hear! pax __________________ Kathy Jackson My personal website: Cornered Cat

October 19, 2002, 12:23 PM	#21
redhead Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2002 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 111	I wish I had smiled my most friendly smile and engaged them in conversation. As I said, my immediate reaction was embarrassment, as if I had been caught reading the most explicit porn in public. I guess I'm letting myself get beaten down by the anti's. sigh In fact, when I got home, and told my husband about it, I said that I felt like i'd been seen reading a porn mag in public. Next time, I'll do it differently. Having grown up in Idaho, now living in the SF bay area in California, things are so different here. I'm not accustomed to having to defend my values at this level. __________________ "In a land of sheep, even a toothless wolf is king"

October 19, 2002, 12:54 PM	#22
Kentucky Rifle Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 1999 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 2,687	I'm with Tamara on this- Law abiding shooters are getting pretty tired of being vilified for their safe and LEGAL hobby. To say nothing about practicing the ability to defend yourself. But I think the thing that irritated me the most was a post from someone (sorry, I don't remember who) which stated that their daughter had came home from school and said her teacher had put up the second amendment worded as-- "The Right To Have An Army". I'm still not over that one! DAMMIT! A grade school teacher changing the Bill Of Rights. Plus, I'm not very happy about the "salacious" shot either. Maybe they think S.W.A.T. should be delivered in a "brown paper wrapping". What does the "salacious" thing mean? That we won't be just as happy when this whacko is caught? KR

October 19, 2002, 01:11 PM	#23
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	Watching Haney now on Fox. Intelligent and articulate. However, he's got a book out, Inside Delta Force: The Story of America's Elite Military Unit. I have to wonder what magazines he thinks HIS readers subscribe to. ??? Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

October 19, 2002, 01:27 PM	#25
Jeff White Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1998 Location: Kinmundy, IL, USA Posts: 1,397	Rich, I don't know what magazine his readers subscribe to, because I dropped his book off my list after I heard that. The insult to S.W.A.T. aside, his comments gave me some insight into the possible tone of his book. I think that the quality of SOF has gone down in the past couple years, S.W.A.T. has definiately become the leading mass market magazine of it's type in quality. I find a lot of it is higher quality then the limited distribution professional journals in both the police and military fields. Jeff 143=T