April 11, 2005, 10:28 PM | #1 |
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MAC or UZI?
I don't have a preference with these two guns. How do these two stack up against each other for
Accuracy Reliability Easy to find replacement parts(for which calibers too) Acessories Ease of use Which gun is better for the above factors, and what is your personal preference and why?
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April 12, 2005, 08:54 AM | #2 |
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The Uzi comes out on top in all categories. Including cost.
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Mac ~ $3,000
Uzi ~ $6,000-$8,000 You get what you pay for. No contest, the Uzi is the better firearm. On the other hand, there are a lot of after-market accessories for really dressing up and improving the M10/M11 subguns.
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UZI is the choice, other than the price. if you shop around you should be able to find an UZI registered bolt gun for close to 5K, but that's about as cheap as you'll find.
There is alot of cool stuff for the MAC's though, as mentioned above.
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Mac or Uzi
Uzi hands down. Uzi's are simplicity at it's finest. I have shot several and carried one for over 2 years during assaults. I never had a feed jam or stoppage. It ate anything I put in it. Hollow points, factory ammo, +P and even reloads. It was also very accurate. They do cost more then a Mac, but it will be money well spent.
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While the Uzi is a superior SMG to the M11 out of the box, don't completely discount the M11. They're about half the price of an Uzi and they can be excellent performers with some decent optics and minor modifications to slow the RoF. I found this just the other day - the results of the Oct. 2003 Open class at the KCR match. I often used my M11 for competition rather than my Uzi or 635 clone and did quite well with it. Again, I'm not saying the M11 is a better firearm than an Uzi, but it can be cheaply and more easily upgraded to be competitive with much more expensive sunguns.
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I have been looking at purchasing a MAC 11 9mm. I want it because i can own one, and it is the least amount $$$ of what seems to be out there.
Are the Mac's worth it? Just to have as a novel piece w/suppressor and to add to my collection and have something as a toy...Are they problematic?? I really don't want to spend 5-6k on an UZI. fiquered this is a "cheap" way to go. |
May 9, 2005, 09:09 PM | #9 |
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MACs are great entry level MG's. I'd recommend an SWD M11 - they're the most common, the easiest to get parts and mags for, and have the widest array of aftermarket accessories. Reliability is excellent - see my post above. The RoF is a bit high at about 1200rpm, but there are accessories and modifications you can get to slow it down to about 600rpm, or speed it up to about 1800rpm.
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My MAC's are fun little toys. I bought one to keep NIB and one to trick out. Here's a pic of the M11/9 as it is currently configured. It also has a cheap red dot sight on it. It's a Stoney Creek Armory 10" upper with HK sights, weaver rail, and muzzle brake.
This is a video of a 30 round mag dump with the MAC JAC installed. It increases the cyclic rate to ~ 1800 RPM http://www.supercharger.net//private...o/30rounds.MOV |
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I am new to this forum, but not to firearms..
What is the diff between the top bolt and the side bolt model?? Also, some Mac's have the suppressor with them, are they any good? The old wiper type or some had Bower cans w/them.. What does the Sten conversion do and why is it done?? I am gathering the basics for this purchase as some for sale are in different packages..... I will be starting my paperwork here verrrrrrrry soooooooon. |
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The original uppers have a cocking knob on top the size (and thickness) of about three quarters, so as to not interfere with use of the sights. Its not much to grab on to. There are other cocking knobs which are larger and have a V cut so you can still use the sights. The side-cocking uppers are nice because it gives you a much bigger handle to grasp and being on the left side, its a bit easier to access with your left hand than on top of the gun.
Some suppressors are good, some are not. I'd stay away from cans with wipes, unless its an original MAC10 can and you're buying it as a collectors item. The Bowers can is good, but if you spend more, you can get better performance & suppression in a smaller can. Keep in mind, you're going to pay a $200 tax on just the can so whether you buy a $200 can or a $500 can, that $200 is lost. And because of the taxes, it doesn't usually make sense to sell a used can. Between what you've paid in taxes and what the buyer would have to pay in taxes to transfer the used can, they can often just buy a new can cheaper. Bottom line - with cans, make sure you're happy with it before you buy it because you'll probably be stuck with it. I'd recommend taking a look at Gemtech's line. Sten mag conversion. This removes the stock mag well/grip and replaces it withone slightly larger designed to take sten mags. Sten mags are less expensive and more durable, but the conversion precludes the use of the sliding/retractable stock. |
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The main selling point of the side cocking uppers is that the entire top of the upper receiver is left open for optics. You normally can't put a scope rail on the top as the bolt handle is there and it moves with the bolt. A sidecocker with a picatinney rail on top solves that problem.
Sten mags are plentiful and more durable than the Cobray zytel mags. So some MAC owners opt to have theirs converted to use Stens. |
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Here is a photo of my Mac with an interesting history (see http://www.longmountain.com/movieguns/truelies ). Last edited by MGRacer; May 10, 2005 at 07:11 PM. |
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You guys have been great with the info. I post in other sites and soime of those guys are not much help to others.
One last ? before I track down my new toy, if the can is original that came with the Mac, is there a tax to pay for the can? in addition to the SMG? Thanks for all the help... |
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Yep. $200 each.
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HKmp5sd. I am in the Tampa area, we have a great place in manatee that we go to. I am a RSO there.
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completely off topic but
original cost of a mac11----119.00 original cost of a UZI in contract---64.00 I bought a Mac 11 in late seventies for 129.00 out the door, 4 mags included. the UZI was loved by the Israeli Gov't because it cost half what they could get a FAL for, it used one half the quality steel any other available weapon did. and it worked in the desert. think about it, with out the 1986 ban, we could now be buying UZI's for a couple of hundred bucks. |
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Cheap FA imports?
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It's a small world, after all!! start hummin'... E-me and I'll give you a cell #. Are the side cocker uppers any better than top. i like the old style.. I'm getting ready to send $$ to start the purchase. Know of any "deals here in town b4 i do?? |
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Cortland, I know.... I'm just dreaming.
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the norinco Uzis were very affordable, something like $249 each. the cost of SA uzis are not representative of a free market price. being a restricted for so long item the price has gone sky high.
New russian AK's cost something like $120 on the world arms market. Bulgies are al ittle less czech are a little more. Used arms like war booty AK's or Argentine FAL's are well under a hundred bucks. The cost of an African spec Toyota pick up truck is about 6700 including the cost of the tariff. Think about it. certain parts of Asia and Africa and central America EVERYONE has one AK, and most of these places make a couple hundred bucks a year per capitita, if it was not so cheap, how could they arm themselves. You pay an Awful lot here for government mandated safety features, pollution devices and other amenitys. China was selling a verson of the ford focus for under 5K. no airbags. no radio, nothing power, just tires body motor trany and seats. |
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