Tactical shotgun drills

rugerdude · August 19, 2007, 09:17 PM

Does anyone here practice tactical or defensive shotgun shooting drills regularly? I have a Mossberg 500a with a shell saddle and it's pretty bare-bones as far as "tactical-ness" goes, but I know this gun well and I've busted thousands of clays with it in competitive skeet shooting.

I don't have the cash right now to take a class, so in the meantime, what are some drills I can practice on my own?

Reloading from the shell saddle is one I've thought of that would be useful, but I'm really not terribly creative.

Deaf Smith · August 19, 2007, 09:34 PM

rugerdude,

Do you practice from barriades? Shooting while moving? Reloading while moving? Transitioning between targets.

You can pratice speed shooting real well, as for gun handing needed to shoot a pump, with brass 'snap caps'. It allows you to actually load the weapon with snap caps, 'fire' them as fast as you can while cycling the shotgun (or mess up and half cycle the gun!)

Weak sides shooting? Shooting one handed (try pumping the weapon with only your good side arm, then shooting with no supporting arm, and then reloading one handed!)

How about hostage drills? Do you know the pattern capability of your 500 well enough to make a 'stand off' shot so that only a partial pattern hits the BG but misses the hostage?

Desert01 · August 20, 2007, 08:22 AM

Purchase the following two books:

Stressfire II: Advanced Combat Shotgun (Paperback)
by Massad F. Ayoob

Tactical Shotgun: The Best Techniques And Tactics For Employing The Shotgun In Personal Combat
by Gabriel Suarez

and FYI, it sounds like you have the top of the line "tactical" shotgun. Bare bones with "I know this gun well".

Desert01 · August 20, 2007, 08:34 PM

Ruger Dude<

Check my Qual paper writen around Mil Qualification Standards and the issue Mossberg 500:

http://www.desertsystms.com/ShotgunQualFinal.html

Dave McC · August 20, 2007, 09:02 PM

First, you have the most important accessory to have on a defensive arm

Wear marks.

As for drills, use some imagination. Firing while moving, firing on moving targets, firing after running in place long enough to up your pulse to simulate adrenaline boost, etc.

Do not forget low light and shooting from the weaker side.

I've simulated low light by using welding goggles or dark sunglasses in shadt areas.

And, skeet has its good points, especailly doubles..Note that a 4 inch standard target is about as wide as the CNS through much of its length.

okiewita40 · August 23, 2007, 06:43 AM

Rugerdude,

You may want to try the CLEET course of fire to start with. Ask any TPD about it. Or just ask and see if you can get a number to call a firearms instructor for the PD or S.O.

We start out with the shotgun in what is called the cruiser safe mode. Load and fire after that most everything is combat loaded. If you want to see something cool wait for a heavy rain w/o lightning and fire a slug from 50 yards. You can actually wath the slug go down range from the rain being hit by the slug.

August 19, 2007, 09:17 PM	#1
rugerdude Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2004 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,443	Tactical shotgun drills Does anyone here practice tactical or defensive shotgun shooting drills regularly? I have a Mossberg 500a with a shell saddle and it's pretty bare-bones as far as "tactical-ness" goes, but I know this gun well and I've busted thousands of clays with it in competitive skeet shooting. I don't have the cash right now to take a class, so in the meantime, what are some drills I can practice on my own? Reloading from the shell saddle is one I've thought of that would be useful, but I'm really not terribly creative. __________________ "The SKS is a rifle, made the way they should be, out of a heavy block of crappy commie steel, set in an inletted semi-reshaped 2x4." Not my quote but I agree completely.

August 19, 2007, 09:34 PM	#2
Deaf Smith Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2000 Location: Texican! Posts: 4,453	rugerdude, Do you practice from barriades? Shooting while moving? Reloading while moving? Transitioning between targets. You can pratice speed shooting real well, as for gun handing needed to shoot a pump, with brass 'snap caps'. It allows you to actually load the weapon with snap caps, 'fire' them as fast as you can while cycling the shotgun (or mess up and half cycle the gun!) Weak sides shooting? Shooting one handed (try pumping the weapon with only your good side arm, then shooting with no supporting arm, and then reloading one handed!) How about hostage drills? Do you know the pattern capability of your 500 well enough to make a 'stand off' shot so that only a partial pattern hits the BG but misses the hostage? __________________ “To you who call yourselves ‘men of peace,’ I say, you are not safe without men of action by your side” Thucydides

August 20, 2007, 08:22 AM	#3
Desert01 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2005 Location: Castorland, NY Posts: 545	Purchase the following two books: Stressfire II: Advanced Combat Shotgun (Paperback) by Massad F. Ayoob Tactical Shotgun: The Best Techniques And Tactics For Employing The Shotgun In Personal Combat by Gabriel Suarez and FYI, it sounds like you have the top of the line "tactical" shotgun. Bare bones with "I know this gun well". __________________ Pro Patria "For Country" www.pro-patria.us (Material x Training)/Tactics = Mission Success

August 20, 2007, 08:34 PM	#4
Desert01 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2005 Location: Castorland, NY Posts: 545	Ruger Dude< Check my Qual paper writen around Mil Qualification Standards and the issue Mossberg 500: http://www.desertsystms.com/ShotgunQualFinal.html __________________ Pro Patria "For Country" www.pro-patria.us (Material x Training)/Tactics = Mission Success

August 23, 2007, 06:43 AM	#6
okiewita40 Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 409	Rugerdude, You may want to try the CLEET course of fire to start with. Ask any TPD about it. Or just ask and see if you can get a number to call a firearms instructor for the PD or S.O. We start out with the shotgun in what is called the cruiser safe mode. Load and fire after that most everything is combat loaded. If you want to see something cool wait for a heavy rain w/o lightning and fire a slug from 50 yards. You can actually wath the slug go down range from the rain being hit by the slug. __________________ What on god's green earth do you think your doing?

August 20, 2007, 09:02 PM	#5
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	First, you have the most important accessory to have on a defensive arm Wear marks. As for drills, use some imagination. Firing while moving, firing on moving targets, firing after running in place long enough to up your pulse to simulate adrenaline boost, etc. Do not forget low light and shooting from the weaker side. I've simulated low light by using welding goggles or dark sunglasses in shadt areas. And, skeet has its good points, especailly doubles..Note that a 4 inch standard target is about as wide as the CNS through much of its length.