Pedersoli "Sharps Carbine Civilian Model". Ever heard of it &...

Pond, James Pond · June 27, 2016, 10:31 AM

... how does it compare to the Pietta .50 Carbine?

I gather both are these breech-loading style carbines, the DP being .45 and the Pietta a .50.

Aside from that, who do they stack up?

I expect the DP is going to be better quality, but over here the price is about the same.

Thoughts?

Hawg · June 27, 2016, 11:32 AM

Never heard of a Pedersoli civilian carbine. The sporting models AFAIK are all rifle length. Are you asking about percussion guns or cartridge guns? Pedersoli percussion Sharp's are .54 caliber and the cartridge guns are variants of the .45. The only Pietta I am aware of is the Smith which is a breech loading percussion. Between Pedersoli and Pietta I would go with Pedersoli.

Pond, James Pond · June 27, 2016, 11:42 AM

Well this Pedersoli is on a German website and appears to be the same system as the Pietta Smith: Open breech, drop in preloaded powder and bullet, close, recap and shoot.

I say this only because I have found those thick-walled BP cases with the firehole in the base in .45.

My confusion, as you noted is from the fact that the Pedersoli website only lists the .54 cal versions....

Hawg · June 27, 2016, 12:13 PM

The Smith is a break open and the Sharp's is a falling block. You can get brass cartridges for the .54 Pedersoli.

mehavey · June 27, 2016, 04:56 PM

Someone's (the German Website?) has got their terms/labels confused.

Sharps is, by definition, a falling block
Smith is likewise defined as a break-action

As far as I know, Pedersoli does not offer a break-action Smith

Smith: 50-caliber/25-40gr FFFg MAX (560gr bullet/950fps_ish)
Sharps: 54-caliber/Up to 85gr FFg (575-590gr Ringtail/1,100fps_ish)

Pond, James Pond · June 28, 2016, 01:41 AM

Don't blame the website: I was just going by what I could see from the pictures. It's a breech-loader, but it now seems to match the description of this "falling block" from what I can see.

It's definitely listed as .45, though. Could that just a typo of .54? Possibly!

drobs · June 28, 2016, 02:56 AM

Post a link James.

mehavey · June 28, 2016, 05:06 AM

If it's THIS.... which appears to be an 1859/63 design loose-powder
45 caliber w/ a "Smithable" cartridge), I've never heard of one til now. (

)

Any N-SSA'rs seen THESE before?
(for a Sharps)
.

Hawg · June 28, 2016, 06:31 AM

First I've seen of a .45 paper cutter. I've seen the brass cases for Sharp's before but like the Smith cartridges they don't hold much powder. The Sharp's can be fired with loose powder but paper cartridges work best.

Pond, James Pond · June 28, 2016, 07:38 AM

Sharps Carbine Civilian Model:

Link.

MEHAVEY:
Beat me to it, and yes, those are the brass cases I saw linked that appear to be for that rifle!!

drobs · June 28, 2016, 08:54 AM

The pictured rifle is a Perdersoli Sharps Light rifle which is 22LR

Bottom of this link:
http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/tipo...rps-rifle.html

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/sche...rps-light.html

mete · June 28, 2016, 09:24 AM

That 22 Sharps carbine would be a fantastic plinker . Falling blocks are in essence very strong .The Ruger and 1885 Browning can take almost any load ! Like my Miroku made 1885 in 45-70..

Pond, James Pond · June 28, 2016, 11:53 AM

It may look like a "light", but the web-page clearly says ".45 Kal"

drobs · June 28, 2016, 05:19 PM

Sprechen Sie Deutsch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHJjESGuHTc

Looks to be a black powder only rifle available in the German market.

Shorter video here by same as above:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egq1R97Vaxk

I find it interesting to see German preppers.

Branko · July 21, 2016, 07:30 PM

While mostly percussion Sharps are .54 ones, a Polish site does have on sale Pedersoli made Sharps rifles which are percussion, but are of .45 caliber and take modified (with a firehole in middle) 45-90 brass.

I emailed them about it, and these are apparently custom made for them on basis of a historical gun. It appears in Poland there are separate competitions for shooting "Sharps" rifles since they don't fall into normal muzzleloading guns.

June 27, 2016, 10:31 AM	#1
Pond, James Pond Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2011 Location: Top of the Baltic stack Posts: 6,079	Pedersoli "Sharps Carbine Civilian Model". Ever heard of it &... ... how does it compare to the Pietta .50 Carbine? I gather both are these breech-loading style carbines, the DP being .45 and the Pietta a .50. Aside from that, who do they stack up? I expect the DP is going to be better quality, but over here the price is about the same. Thoughts? __________________ When the right to effective self-defence is denied, that right to self-defence which remains is essentially symbolic. Freedom: Please enjoy responsibly.

June 27, 2016, 11:42 AM	#3
Pond, James Pond Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2011 Location: Top of the Baltic stack Posts: 6,079	Well this Pedersoli is on a German website and appears to be the same system as the Pietta Smith: Open breech, drop in preloaded powder and bullet, close, recap and shoot. I say this only because I have found those thick-walled BP cases with the firehole in the base in .45. My confusion, as you noted is from the fact that the Pedersoli website only lists the .54 cal versions.... __________________ When the right to effective self-defence is denied, that right to self-defence which remains is essentially symbolic. Freedom: Please enjoy responsibly.

June 28, 2016, 01:41 AM	#6
Pond, James Pond Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2011 Location: Top of the Baltic stack Posts: 6,079	Don't blame the website: I was just going by what I could see from the pictures. It's a breech-loader, but it now seems to match the description of this "falling block" from what I can see. It's definitely listed as .45, though. Could that just a typo of .54? Possibly! __________________ When the right to effective self-defence is denied, that right to self-defence which remains is essentially symbolic. Freedom: Please enjoy responsibly.

June 28, 2016, 02:56 AM	#7
drobs Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2015 Location: South Central MO / Africa Posts: 1,111	Post a link James. __________________ NRA Life Member

June 28, 2016, 05:06 AM	#8
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,898	If it's THIS.... which appears to be an 1859/63 design loose-powder 45 caliber w/ a "Smithable" cartridge), I've never heard of one til now. () Any N-SSA'rs seen THESE before? (for a Sharps) . Last edited by mehavey; June 28, 2016 at 05:37 AM.

June 27, 2016, 11:32 AM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,190	Never heard of a Pedersoli civilian carbine. The sporting models AFAIK are all rifle length. Are you asking about percussion guns or cartridge guns? Pedersoli percussion Sharp's are .54 caliber and the cartridge guns are variants of the .45. The only Pietta I am aware of is the Smith which is a breech loading percussion. Between Pedersoli and Pietta I would go with Pedersoli.

June 27, 2016, 12:13 PM	#4
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,190	The Smith is a break open and the Sharp's is a falling block. You can get brass cartridges for the .54 Pedersoli.

June 27, 2016, 04:56 PM	#5
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,898	Someone's (the German Website?) has got their terms/labels confused. Sharps is, by definition, a falling block Smith is likewise defined as a break-action As far as I know, Pedersoli does not offer a break-action Smith Smith: 50-caliber/25-40gr FFFg MAX (560gr bullet/950fps_ish) Sharps: 54-caliber/Up to 85gr FFg (575-590gr Ringtail/1,100fps_ish)

June 28, 2016, 06:31 AM	#9
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,190	First I've seen of a .45 paper cutter. I've seen the brass cases for Sharp's before but like the Smith cartridges they don't hold much powder. The Sharp's can be fired with loose powder but paper cartridges work best.

June 28, 2016, 07:38 AM	#10
Pond, James Pond Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2011 Location: Top of the Baltic stack Posts: 6,079	Sharps Carbine Civilian Model: Link. MEHAVEY: Beat me to it, and yes, those are the brass cases I saw linked that appear to be for that rifle!! __________________ When the right to effective self-defence is denied, that right to self-defence which remains is essentially symbolic. Freedom: Please enjoy responsibly.

June 28, 2016, 08:54 AM	#11
drobs Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2015 Location: South Central MO / Africa Posts: 1,111	The pictured rifle is a Perdersoli Sharps Light rifle which is 22LR Bottom of this link: http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/tipo...rps-rifle.html http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/sche...rps-light.html __________________ NRA Life Member

June 28, 2016, 09:24 AM	#12
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	That 22 Sharps carbine would be a fantastic plinker . Falling blocks are in essence very strong .The Ruger and 1885 Browning can take almost any load ! Like my Miroku made 1885 in 45-70.. __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

June 28, 2016, 11:53 AM	#13
Pond, James Pond Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2011 Location: Top of the Baltic stack Posts: 6,079	It may look like a "light", but the web-page clearly says ".45 Kal" __________________ When the right to effective self-defence is denied, that right to self-defence which remains is essentially symbolic. Freedom: Please enjoy responsibly.

June 28, 2016, 05:19 PM	#14
drobs Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2015 Location: South Central MO / Africa Posts: 1,111	Sprechen Sie Deutsch? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHJjESGuHTc Looks to be a black powder only rifle available in the German market. Shorter video here by same as above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egq1R97Vaxk I find it interesting to see German preppers. __________________ NRA Life Member Last edited by drobs; June 28, 2016 at 05:29 PM.

July 21, 2016, 07:30 PM	#15
Branko Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2015 Location: Croatia Posts: 188	While mostly percussion Sharps are .54 ones, a Polish site does have on sale Pedersoli made Sharps rifles which are percussion, but are of .45 caliber and take modified (with a firehole in middle) 45-90 brass. I emailed them about it, and these are apparently custom made for them on basis of a historical gun. It appears in Poland there are separate competitions for shooting "Sharps" rifles since they don't fall into normal muzzleloading guns.