One's got to wonder: Why no single stack Glock 9mm?

[ClydeFrog]

There is a funny video of 2 hapless Glock sales reps at the 2013 SHOT show who ask a excited crowd; "What new pistol do you think Glock will bring out soon?"
The Glock fans & SHOT attendees repeatedly yell; "A NEW 9mm SINGLE STACK?"
No. The Glock employees reply, it's the Glock 30S .45acp.
(Crickets & tumbleweeds roll by.)

I think the Glock USA head-shed wants to watch the sales/interest in the Beretta Nano, the S-A XDs, the SIG P290RS, the Kimber Solo, etc.
Id think a Glock 9x19mm single stack(model 36 size) would sell but the US market has a glut of small frame pistols for concealed/defense use.

[Revoltella]

Import points. The G26 barely makes it into the US with the minimum allowable import points. If they built a single stack version and it weighed just 1oz less, the BATFE wouldn't allow them to import it.

It's the same reason their .380 versions aren't sold here.

[Fishbed77]

The Bersa BP9 is the best single stack 9mm (or 40mm) on the market.

Well, after the Walther PPS, Kahr PM9/CM9, Springfield XDS, etc., etc...

The mag safety and other unnecessary features for a defensive pistol make it a no-go for lots of folks.

[Psychedelic Bang]

Yeah, that is what I was saying... I think the Bersa may offer the best, "value for money/quality ratio." But it is very hard, when all things considered the CM can be found for less than the BP9cc; however, I do find myself to be more interested in the BP9cc

I think it can be $200+ more for a PPS. In this never ending poor economy, that is a considerable amount...

I am not sure I like the XDS at all; I think one can argue the BP9CC is a better gun even with its lock, mag disconnect.

I think its pretty hard to put the PPS up against the P9. That is where you really have to break things down, and know what you are talking about. That said, the P9 is the most expensive of the bunch...

[Vermonter]

Eppie,
You mention a table in your post however I am only seeing an image with no link etc to a table. I would be interested in seeing it.

Regards, Vermonter

[Dragline45]

Because the people at Glock have zero idea of what innovation is. Their idea of releasing a new gun is chopping off the grip and barrel and slapping a new model number on it.

With such a firm hold in the market, releasing a small .380 or a single stack 9mm compact would sell hand over fist. I firmly believe that they are worried that if they release a new design and it flops it will look bad for the Glock brand so they are are afraid to do so.

I know someone will come on here and say "well Glock caters towards law enforcement and military". As a whole that is true, but they also take up a huge chunk of the civilian market that they are missing out on by not catering to their needs as well.

Originally Posted by Skans

What would be the point of a single stack Glock 17? Less capacity and for what? I have medium sized hands and the Glock 17 feels ok to me. If it was smaller, it would feel too small.

Hate to break it to you, but you are not the only person in the world who buy's guns. Everyone has different want's and needs.

[Pond, James Pond]

I've not held any of these single stack models from other brands, so I have to ask: what is the benefit of a single stack 9mm, when compared to existing models such as the G26?

Isn't the slide on a Glock the limiting factor? On my G19, the grip is pretty much the same width, and the G26, with its 10rd capacity is pretty tiny.

What do people feel a single stack would do that the G26 doesn't?

[Eppie]

Hi Vermonter,
When I mentioned a table I meant the picture of the two way table that shows the calibers down the left column and the models on the top row.

If you cant see the picture just go to www.Glock.com and click on the models tab

[jmr40]

I'm not so sure a single stack would be significantly smaller than the current double stack in a 9mm. The 45 I can see a difference, but even then a
G-36 is almost exactly the same size as a G-19, only with 9 fewer rounds.

[jimbob86]

What do people feel a single stack would do that the G26 doesn't?

What it might NOT do is cause you to appear to have a 90's-esque brick phone sized object riding atop your waistband ........

[RBid]

Originally Posted by jimbob86

What it might NOT do is cause you to appear to have a 90's-esque brick phone sized object riding atop your waistband ........

I believe that you're intentionally overplaying the 'blocky' thing. I seem to recall you generally being pretty level headed. In case I'm wrong: the G26 is only 1.18" wide. That's hardly a brick.

[ttarp]

What do people feel a single stack would do that the G26 doesn't?

Different people like different grips, I imagine there would be some differences between a single and double stack grips and that they would fit some people better.

[rotten mick]

Why would you want to carry less ammo? Honestly, not to be a jerk. I'm really at a loss. It just doesn't feel right to me. Why carry a LC9 and a extra mag when something like the SR9c can hold 17(if allowed in your state) in the gun. Would you carry a g19 with half a mag?

No matter what gun you carry, your going to know its there. So is it complete comfort you want or whats most comfortable while still being the most you can bring to the fight? Us guys have our wallets we carry, yet how many pull it out when get in your own car? Short drive? Long drive. But do you do it at work? As a passenger in someone else's car? Bus? Why? Because you dont want outhers to have access to it, only you. What I guess I'm trying to say is comfort vs security. You give up some for the other.

As for the ammo count thats like driving and only filling the tank half way each time at the pump and putting the rest in gas cans to use if you run out.

[rs97]

G26 vs PPS. Yes, there is a difference.

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Glock26/DSC03080.jpg

[Psychedelic Bang]

hmm.. interesting.. The PPS is quite a design.

[Dragline45]

Originally Posted by Pond, James Pond

I've not held any of these single stack models from other brands, so I have to ask: what is the benefit of a single stack 9mm, when compared to existing models such as the G26?

Go hold or look at one, they are significantly thinner.

Originally Posted by Pond, James Pond

What do people feel a single stack would do that the G26 doesn't?

Conceal and carry easier...

Originally Posted by rotten mick

Why would you want to carry less ammo? Honestly, not to be a jerk. I'm really at a loss. It just doesn't feel right to me. Why carry a LC9 and a extra mag when something like the SR9c can hold 17(if allowed in your state) in the gun. Would you carry a g19 with half a mag?

I don't see why it's so hard to understand that a smaller gun is easier to conceal and generally more comfortable to carry.

Originally Posted by jmr40

I'm not so sure a single stack would be significantly smaller than the current double stack in a 9mm.

Here is a single stack S&W Shield in 9mm vs a Glock 26. HUGE difference in width of the gun. I have shot both and actually shoot the Shield better.

[jimbob86]

I believe that you're intentionally overplaying the 'blocky' thing. I seem to recall you generally being pretty level headed. In case I'm wrong: the G26 is only 1.18" wide. That's hardly a brick.

Look at dragline's photo. You can look at it any way you want to, but that girl on the left ....... well maybe she's just big boned .... she might be 1.18" wide, but she's that wide all the way up and down, and has all the curves of my 1996 brick-phone that I mentioned above .....

I most surely am level headed ..... one would have to be pretty biased to deny that gun is "blocky" .... but if it floats your boat .......

[Theohazard]

Originally Posted by Dragline45

Because the people at Glock have zero idea of what innovation is. Their idea of releasing a new gun is chopping off the grip and barrel and slapping a new model number on it.

You're right that Glock hasn't been very innovative recently, but considering they were innovative enough in the 80's and 90's to dethrone revolvers from the LE market and create the modern striker-fired polymer-framed design that a majority of LE agencies around the country use and everyone and their mother copies, I guess I'll give them a pass for their current lack of innovation.

Heck, Glock is a lot more innovative than some other successful companies. Look at Colt. Their two main products are really old; one was designed over fifty years ago and the other was designed over a century ago. And neither was actually designed by Colt. Yet they make excellent products as fast as they can make them.

I guess Glock figures they're doing fine now. They're putting out a proven product that works well and they sell everything they can make as fast as they can make it. Maybe they'll come out with something new sometime soon (our Glock rep told us they have something new and exciting coming out at SHOT 2014 but he wouldn't say what it is, of course), but if they don't they'll still remain a dominant and successful force in both the civilian and the law enforcement/military market, just like Colt is.

[JimmyR]

I guess I'll play Devil's Advocate (Full Disclosure: I do not own Glocks, like Glocks, or even want a Glock. I don't like striker fire pistols. But I respect Glock like crazy for putting out a quality product.)

With the recent spate of recalls with the single stack 9mm's, why would Glock want to risk it's reputation of complete reliability?

I would suspect that their in house R&D has had issues, and with their image being based so strongly on their reliability and druability, that adding a weapon that may be more prone to failure would be more detrimental to their branding than new sales would overcome.

[DasGuy]

With the recent spate of recalls with the single stack 9mm's, why would Glock want to risk it's reputation of complete reliability?

They already did that when they came out with Gen 4. Hasn't stopped the money train.

[thedudeabides]

My CCW is a CCO or a Commander, both chambered in 45 ACP and with alloy lightweight frames.

I think people are obsessed with subcompact guns for CCW and gunmakers are more than willing to oblige with smaller and smaller plastic striker fired guns with average accuracy and as the XDs and Shield have proven, average quality.

My very small wife can CCW a walther PPS singlestack.

A lot of the issues these days is that no one really wants to dress around the gun and wants the impossible from their carry sidearm.

I want something powerful and reliable, I'll let others buy into the hype of single stack 9mms. The only single stack 9mm I'd carry is a P6.

[Old Stony]

I would guess Glock is busy at this point selling everything they make as fast as they can make it. In this kind of market for them, why would they be dabbling in expanding their line even more? I wouldn't mind seeing them come out with some 9mm single stacks, but I doubt it would help their bottom line at this point. Maybe down the line if they need some more market share they will look more into other models.
At this point it would be like Remington coming up with a different bullet weight for their .22 ammo.....why?

[zenfly]

There is.. and it's a better gun in my opinion. called a PPS.. I'm a 1911/45 guy and bought one for my wife.. I think it's the best choice in a small 9mm.

[Pico]

Those who are arguing (so emotionally) against the need for a Glock single stack 9 mm and defending Glock's reluctance to build one need to answer why they produced the 36 instead of just the 30? The same logic would suggest a single stack 9 or .40 would be needed also.

Pico

[tulsamal]

I own the classic single stack 9mm: SIG P6. The P6 and 225 are steel so weigh more but they are nice pistols. Out of all my SIG's, the P6 feels the best in the hand.

Gregg