Happiness is...10,000 primers

sharpenit · March 16, 2017, 10:26 AM

Just arrived. Haven't tried these yet.

**Unclenick** · March 16, 2017, 01:41 PM

Let us know how they work. Since smaller quantities aren't available, people will want to know how well they compare to their description. A very good way to test them against other primers is with a chronograph, using the same charge and bullets in both. Make up 30 of each, if you have that many old primers to spare. Chronograph both, alternating a magazine of 5 of one and then 5 of the other, recording the SD's for each string. The alternating is so fouling and barrel heat and any change in conditions is shared by both sets of loads. Add the SD's for all the mags of the same primer type, the take the square root of that sum (this is how SD's combine). Compare the two results. The smaller SD is producing more consistent ignition, for whatever reason.

sharpenit · March 16, 2017, 01:55 PM

Good idea, but unfortunately, I'm not equipped to do that kind of science.

But I will let you know if they go BANG!

FITASC · March 16, 2017, 02:00 PM

Are these from the bullet maker by the same name? If so, who is making them for those folks?

sharpenit · March 16, 2017, 02:07 PM

Yes, I ordered them from X-Treme Bullets. But I don't know who actually makes the primers.

There is a lot of speculation around various forums. Here is one such speculation from Tomcat 10 on Glock Talk forum:

I bought 10k Ginex small pistol primers from Ventura Munitions 13 months ago. They are manufactured in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The quality is good and they seat a little better than CCI. I wonder if X-Treme is rebranding Ginex pimers.

http://www.venturamunitions.com/categories/primers.html

reddog81 · March 16, 2017, 02:08 PM

I was wondering the same thing as FITASC. There are literally only a handful of companies manufacturing primers worldwide. In the US CCI, Federal, Remington and Winchester are the only ones I was aware of. I wonder if they are manufactired by someone over in Europe or Asia and repackaged to look like US made?

**Unclenick** · March 16, 2017, 02:16 PM

The packaging should give country of origin. If it is Bosnia Herzegovina, then it's Dzamp or Unis.

sharpenit · March 16, 2017, 02:58 PM

I'll check the packaging this evening.

MarkCO · March 16, 2017, 03:17 PM

The primers are good, I used a bunch last year.

My understanding is that HMT bought (at least interest in) in European primer and powder manufacturers.

sharpenit · March 16, 2017, 05:38 PM

Package says they are made by UNIS GINEX in Bosnia-Herzegovina

Road_Clam · March 16, 2017, 06:44 PM

Interesting, I wonder (hope) X-treme will offer berdan primers ? All my X54R millsurp would now be worth something !

Metal god · March 17, 2017, 01:25 AM

Leading up to the election I bought almost triple that amount so if 10k is happiness I should be convulsing about now

I will say though it is nice having stock on hand for sure . I stocked up on a bunch of stuff and at the time it put a strain on the budget . I'm so glad I did though

sharpenit · March 17, 2017, 07:14 AM

You're ready for the zombie apocalypse. What could be better.

Mobuck · March 17, 2017, 07:33 AM

10.000 primers?????????
All in a days work for some.

sharpenit · March 17, 2017, 08:41 AM

Link to photo of individual packaging:
https://flic.kr/p/SXSNbU

{Please note: posting a link with no introduction line is called drive-by posting and is against board rules. Please compose even a simple sentence, as I did above, to make the relevance of what is at the end of the link apparent.}

kmw1954 · March 17, 2017, 08:48 AM

Very interesting.

**Unclenick** · March 17, 2017, 11:47 AM

Sharpenit,

Please see my note edited into your post. Forum rules have a link in the blue bar at the top of the page.

That looks much like the old Federal Packaging. The plastic trays are useful to competitive airgun shooters. You inspect each pellet, and if you use a sizer, run them through that, then place the pellets in the tray to help keep track of your shot count.

Road_Clam · March 17, 2017, 04:34 PM

10K ??? Well that's a good start....

Nick_C_S · March 17, 2017, 04:43 PM

Quote:

10K ??? Well that's a good start....

This thread prompted me to do a quick primer inventory too . . .

Just under 22k.

Kevin Rohrer · March 17, 2017, 04:53 PM

56k here. I am set for the next three Apocalypses.

disseminator · March 18, 2017, 11:16 PM

Only 18k for me. Guess I better order more.

Road_Clam · March 20, 2017, 05:37 AM

I was not prepping for the Zombies, I was prepping for the HRC apocalypses . Joy to me in hindsight!

RC20 · March 20, 2017, 05:23 PM

Quote:

10K ??? Well that's a good start....

Well if those go up that pretty well take care of the house!

HankC1 · March 20, 2017, 08:03 PM

Quote:

10K ??? Well that's a good start....

Your Fire Department must like you a lot!

North East Redneck · March 21, 2017, 11:24 AM

Only allowed to have 1000 primers here unless you have a permit...

March 16, 2017, 10:26 AM	#1
sharpenit Member Join Date: January 20, 2013 Location: Ohio Posts: 24	Happiness is...10,000 primers Just arrived. Haven't tried these yet. __________________ NRA Member. Proud to own: Kahr CM9 -- Springfield XD 45 -- Ruger 10/22 Takedown -- 1925 Mosin Nagant 91/30 -- 1944 Mosin Nagant M44 -- Kel Tec Sub 2000 (9mm) -- Western Field EMN 176 bolt-action 20 gauge Last edited by sharpenit; March 16, 2017 at 10:35 AM.

March 16, 2017, 01:41 PM	#2
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	Let us know how they work. Since smaller quantities aren't available, people will want to know how well they compare to their description. A very good way to test them against other primers is with a chronograph, using the same charge and bullets in both. Make up 30 of each, if you have that many old primers to spare. Chronograph both, alternating a magazine of 5 of one and then 5 of the other, recording the SD's for each string. The alternating is so fouling and barrel heat and any change in conditions is shared by both sets of loads. Add the SD's for all the mags of the same primer type, the take the square root of that sum (this is how SD's combine). Compare the two results. The smaller SD is producing more consistent ignition, for whatever reason. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

March 16, 2017, 01:55 PM	#3
sharpenit Member Join Date: January 20, 2013 Location: Ohio Posts: 24	Good idea, but unfortunately, I'm not equipped to do that kind of science. But I will let you know if they go BANG! __________________ NRA Member. Proud to own: Kahr CM9 -- Springfield XD 45 -- Ruger 10/22 Takedown -- 1925 Mosin Nagant 91/30 -- 1944 Mosin Nagant M44 -- Kel Tec Sub 2000 (9mm) -- Western Field EMN 176 bolt-action 20 gauge

March 16, 2017, 02:00 PM	#4
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Are these from the bullet maker by the same name? If so, who is making them for those folks? __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

March 16, 2017, 02:07 PM	#5
sharpenit Member Join Date: January 20, 2013 Location: Ohio Posts: 24	Yes, I ordered them from X-Treme Bullets. But I don't know who actually makes the primers. There is a lot of speculation around various forums. Here is one such speculation from Tomcat 10 on Glock Talk forum: I bought 10k Ginex small pistol primers from Ventura Munitions 13 months ago. They are manufactured in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The quality is good and they seat a little better than CCI. I wonder if X-Treme is rebranding Ginex pimers. http://www.venturamunitions.com/categories/primers.html __________________ NRA Member. Proud to own: Kahr CM9 -- Springfield XD 45 -- Ruger 10/22 Takedown -- 1925 Mosin Nagant 91/30 -- 1944 Mosin Nagant M44 -- Kel Tec Sub 2000 (9mm) -- Western Field EMN 176 bolt-action 20 gauge

March 16, 2017, 02:08 PM	#6
reddog81 Senior Member Join Date: October 16, 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,635	I was wondering the same thing as FITASC. There are literally only a handful of companies manufacturing primers worldwide. In the US CCI, Federal, Remington and Winchester are the only ones I was aware of. I wonder if they are manufactired by someone over in Europe or Asia and repackaged to look like US made?

March 16, 2017, 02:16 PM	#7
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	The packaging should give country of origin. If it is Bosnia Herzegovina, then it's Dzamp or Unis. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

March 16, 2017, 02:58 PM	#8
sharpenit Member Join Date: January 20, 2013 Location: Ohio Posts: 24	I'll check the packaging this evening. __________________ NRA Member. Proud to own: Kahr CM9 -- Springfield XD 45 -- Ruger 10/22 Takedown -- 1925 Mosin Nagant 91/30 -- 1944 Mosin Nagant M44 -- Kel Tec Sub 2000 (9mm) -- Western Field EMN 176 bolt-action 20 gauge

March 16, 2017, 03:17 PM	#9
MarkCO Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 1998 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 4,309	The primers are good, I used a bunch last year. My understanding is that HMT bought (at least interest in) in European primer and powder manufacturers. __________________ Good Shooting, MarkCO www.CarbonArms.us

March 16, 2017, 05:38 PM	#10
sharpenit Member Join Date: January 20, 2013 Location: Ohio Posts: 24	Package says they are made by UNIS GINEX in Bosnia-Herzegovina __________________ NRA Member. Proud to own: Kahr CM9 -- Springfield XD 45 -- Ruger 10/22 Takedown -- 1925 Mosin Nagant 91/30 -- 1944 Mosin Nagant M44 -- Kel Tec Sub 2000 (9mm) -- Western Field EMN 176 bolt-action 20 gauge Last edited by sharpenit; March 17, 2017 at 07:14 AM.

March 16, 2017, 06:44 PM	#11
Road_Clam Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2013 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 1,695	Interesting, I wonder (hope) X-treme will offer berdan primers ? All my X54R millsurp would now be worth something ! __________________ "To be old an wise you must have been young and stupid"

March 17, 2017, 01:25 AM	#12
Metal god Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2012 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 6,876	Leading up to the election I bought almost triple that amount so if 10k is happiness I should be convulsing about now I will say though it is nice having stock on hand for sure . I stocked up on a bunch of stuff and at the time it put a strain on the budget . I'm so glad I did though __________________ If Jesus had a gun , he'd probably still be alive ! I almost always write my posts regardless of content in a jovial manor and intent . If that's not how you took it , please try again .

March 17, 2017, 07:14 AM	#13
sharpenit Member Join Date: January 20, 2013 Location: Ohio Posts: 24	You're ready for the zombie apocalypse. What could be better. __________________ NRA Member. Proud to own: Kahr CM9 -- Springfield XD 45 -- Ruger 10/22 Takedown -- 1925 Mosin Nagant 91/30 -- 1944 Mosin Nagant M44 -- Kel Tec Sub 2000 (9mm) -- Western Field EMN 176 bolt-action 20 gauge

March 17, 2017, 07:33 AM	#14
Mobuck Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2010 Posts: 6,846	10.000 primers????????? All in a days work for some.

March 17, 2017, 08:41 AM	#15
sharpenit Member Join Date: January 20, 2013 Location: Ohio Posts: 24	Link to photo of individual packaging: https://flic.kr/p/SXSNbU {Please note: posting a link with no introduction line is called drive-by posting and is against board rules. Please compose even a simple sentence, as I did above, to make the relevance of what is at the end of the link apparent.} __________________ NRA Member. Proud to own: Kahr CM9 -- Springfield XD 45 -- Ruger 10/22 Takedown -- 1925 Mosin Nagant 91/30 -- 1944 Mosin Nagant M44 -- Kel Tec Sub 2000 (9mm) -- Western Field EMN 176 bolt-action 20 gauge Last edited by Unclenick; March 17, 2017 at 11:43 AM. Reason: Added intro to prevent this being a disallowed drive-by post.

March 17, 2017, 08:48 AM	#16
kmw1954 Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2016 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 1,524	Very interesting.

March 17, 2017, 11:47 AM	#17
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	Sharpenit, Please see my note edited into your post. Forum rules have a link in the blue bar at the top of the page. That looks much like the old Federal Packaging. The plastic trays are useful to competitive airgun shooters. You inspect each pellet, and if you use a sizer, run them through that, then place the pellets in the tray to help keep track of your shot count. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

March 17, 2017, 04:34 PM	#18
Road_Clam Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2013 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 1,695	10K ??? Well that's a good start.... __________________ "To be old an wise you must have been young and stupid"

March 17, 2017, 04:53 PM	#20
Kevin Rohrer Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2010 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 1,049	56k here. I am set for the next three Apocalypses. __________________ Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, ARTCA, and American Legion. Caveat Emptor: Cavery Grips/AmericanGripz/Prestige Grips/Stealth Grips from Clayton, NC. He is a scammer

March 18, 2017, 11:16 PM	#21
disseminator Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 2016 Location: Minnesota Posts: 960	Only 18k for me. Guess I better order more.

March 20, 2017, 05:37 AM	#22
Road_Clam Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2013 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 1,695	I was not prepping for the Zombies, I was prepping for the HRC apocalypses . Joy to me in hindsight! __________________ "To be old an wise you must have been young and stupid"

March 21, 2017, 11:24 AM	#25
North East Redneck Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2012 Location: Berkshire Hills Posts: 741	Only allowed to have 1000 primers here unless you have a permit... __________________ NRA Patron Member SAF Life Member GOAL Member