Abject Disgust

gburner · October 7, 2002, 03:44 PM

With another unsolved shooting in the MD/DC/VA area, the media is really humping this story. Unsubstantiated conjecture is the order of the day as Brokaw wannabees
prattle on about the what ifs and fight to get 'face time.' I'm really sick of these parasites making a grim situation even worse with their ignorant hyperbole and herd stampeding tactics. Let's stick to the facts, cover the story within factual parameters, and not give the shooters any more coverage than absolutely necessary.

There was even some opining this AM that the announced police presence at the MD schools was seen as a challenge to the maniacs. The media is aiding and abetting terror!

Dave R · October 7, 2002, 04:02 PM

And not a single "talking head" has pointed out that...

The shootings took place in MD, which has very strict gun control laws, and NOT in neighboring VA, which has more normal gun control laws.

Wonder why.

Couldn't be that criminals are safer in areas where the polulace is more likely to be unarmed, could it?

Standing Wolf · October 7, 2002, 06:24 PM

The shootings took place in MD, which has very strict gun control laws, and NOT in neighboring VA, which has more normal gun control laws.

Wonder why.

Couldn't be that criminals are safer in areas where the polulace is more likely to be unarmed, could it?

I'm sure it's a factor. I'm reasonably sure the killer is a psychotic who's already on probation and/or parole.

Libertarian · October 7, 2002, 07:39 PM

One of the shooting did happen in VA. But your point is well taken. The killer(s) is(are) working in a predator's paradise.

Capital Punishment · October 7, 2002, 08:08 PM

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One of the shooting did happen in VA. But your point is well taken. The killer(s) is(are) working in a predator's paradise.

The shooting in Virginia hasnt been confirmed to be related to the others in MD. They think it might, but they dont know for fact.

Spackler · October 7, 2002, 08:47 PM

I don't think gun laws have anything to do with it. That somebody may or may not be armed wouldn't even enter into the mind of a person that would do something like this. And since it's a sniper, that fact that a potential victim may be armed would be a non-issue, since it's being done from some distance away.

The more likely reason for the locations is that the shooter is from that area, or lives in that area and is familiar with it.

sumabich · October 7, 2002, 09:43 PM

From what I've seen on the reports we're not talking sniper, we're talking "drive-by". I can hear it already "we've got to outlaw the .223 for the chilren".

Spackler · October 7, 2002, 10:06 PM

I read some reports that stated that the shots were taken from "a hundred yards away". Hard to say how much of what is being reported is actually accurate.

Certainly, the anti-gun groups will use these events to try to further their agenda.

chaim · October 7, 2002, 10:54 PM

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The shooting in Virginia hasnt been confirmed to be related to the others in MD. They think it might, but they dont know for fact.

As a matter of fact they were indeed confirmed to be related. I haven't looked for it online but every TV and radio station here is reporting that the ballistics tests confirm that the bullets were from the same gun (and somehow I think the local news here actually is paying attention to what the investigators are saying).

lonegunman · October 8, 2002, 07:40 AM

The media keep portraying the murderer as a "sniper" or "expert marksman", because he has made shots that may have been from as far away as 100 yds.

Now, I am not sure about you guys, but I think hitting human sized targets at 100 yds with a scoped rifle could be easily learned by about anyone in just a couple hours of practice.

I am not into scoped rifles, and probably shoot less than 50 rnds per year out of one, but 100 yd targets are boring even for me.

Hopefully when they catch this guy, they will hang him from the first tree they can find.

Sisco · October 8, 2002, 07:46 AM

"Stick to the facts"? That is no longer a journalistic requirement.

Leatherneck · October 8, 2002, 07:48 AM

The schoolkid in Maryland was hit from a hide about 400 feet away. Not a trivial shot, but not terribly difficult, especially with a scope. But look at his overall record: eight known shots, seven hits under different conditions. This guy has at least a modicum of skill as a shooter/hider. I actually awoke last night from a dream in which I was walking around a corner and encountered a van with a shooter in it. I had run through about three successful scenarioes involving me (CCW), the rifleman, and the lawmen before I got back to sleep.

TC

Dave R · October 8, 2002, 12:41 PM

Leatherneck, I hope you, or someone like you, finds the murderer soon.

Blackhawk · October 8, 2002, 01:45 PM

I can't believe there aren't more witnesses than the one who saw a white van with black lettering. That area is hip deep in people from what I recall.

Even if the rifle was seriously suppressed, the bullet makes quite a distinctive noise.

My bet is that the cops are not releasing any information about who's come forward or what they may have said.

Hutch · October 8, 2002, 01:48 PM

LN, do you have a URL for a story that gives the information you just offered? If the po-po's have found a hide, then the whole "drive-by" MO has just gone down the gurgler. If they have in fact found a hide, then they're probably sifting a lot of clues out of it. I wish them luck, and I hope some grandmotherly sort pulls her J-frame from her purse and parks one right between the doer's headlights.

Leatherneck · October 8, 2002, 03:13 PM

Hutch,
Unfortunately, I'm going on what I recall from an article in the Wash Compost this morning. A little map showed a wooded area about 400 ft NNE of the kid's dropoff point. It looked like a smallish patch of woods in a suburban development type area. I envisioned a not-yet built-up cul-de-sac where tha van--or whatever--could be parked and a short walk through the woods would get the BG to a convenient prone shooting position. Later news reports had a LEO referring to "forensic evidence" recovered from the site, which the media soon were calling a "spent cartridge case". If true, I would think the site would yield some potentially informative bits of evidence. I'll try to verify tonight.
TC

October 7, 2002, 03:44 PM	#1
gburner Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2001 Location: at the intersection of naivete and cynicism Posts: 1,365	Abject Disgust With another unsolved shooting in the MD/DC/VA area, the media is really humping this story. Unsubstantiated conjecture is the order of the day as Brokaw wannabees prattle on about the what ifs and fight to get 'face time.' I'm really sick of these parasites making a grim situation even worse with their ignorant hyperbole and herd stampeding tactics. Let's stick to the facts, cover the story within factual parameters, and not give the shooters any more coverage than absolutely necessary. There was even some opining this AM that the announced police presence at the MD schools was seen as a challenge to the maniacs. The media is aiding and abetting terror! __________________ 'You don't like guns? What other common household tools do you have an irrational loathing for?'

October 7, 2002, 04:02 PM	#2
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 6,073	And not a single "talking head" has pointed out that... The shootings took place in MD, which has very strict gun control laws, and NOT in neighboring VA, which has more normal gun control laws. Wonder why. Couldn't be that criminals are safer in areas where the polulace is more likely to be unarmed, could it? __________________ I am Pro-Rights (on gun issues).

October 7, 2002, 06:24 PM	#3
Standing Wolf Member in memoriam Join Date: April 26, 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,649	The shootings took place in MD, which has very strict gun control laws, and NOT in neighboring VA, which has more normal gun control laws. Wonder why. Couldn't be that criminals are safer in areas where the polulace is more likely to be unarmed, could it? I'm sure it's a factor. I'm reasonably sure the killer is a psychotic who's already on probation and/or parole. __________________ No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.

October 7, 2002, 07:39 PM	#4
Libertarian Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 1999 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 2,117	One of the shooting did happen in VA. But your point is well taken. The killer(s) is(are) working in a predator's paradise. __________________ "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom." JFK My other favorite forum is The Armed Citizen My PGP key is 0x780B7C0A

October 7, 2002, 09:43 PM	#7
sumabich Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2000 Location: NC,USA Posts: 861	Sniper BS! From what I've seen on the reports we're not talking sniper, we're talking "drive-by". I can hear it already "we've got to outlaw the .223 for the chilren".

October 7, 2002, 08:47 PM	#6
Spackler Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 1999 Location: Central PA, USA Posts: 367	I don't think gun laws have anything to do with it. That somebody may or may not be armed wouldn't even enter into the mind of a person that would do something like this. And since it's a sniper, that fact that a potential victim may be armed would be a non-issue, since it's being done from some distance away. The more likely reason for the locations is that the shooter is from that area, or lives in that area and is familiar with it.

October 7, 2002, 10:06 PM	#8
Spackler Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 1999 Location: Central PA, USA Posts: 367	I read some reports that stated that the shots were taken from "a hundred yards away". Hard to say how much of what is being reported is actually accurate. Certainly, the anti-gun groups will use these events to try to further their agenda.

October 8, 2002, 07:40 AM	#10
lonegunman Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2001 Location: deep in georgia Posts: 1,724	The media keep portraying the murderer as a "sniper" or "expert marksman", because he has made shots that may have been from as far away as 100 yds. Now, I am not sure about you guys, but I think hitting human sized targets at 100 yds with a scoped rifle could be easily learned by about anyone in just a couple hours of practice. I am not into scoped rifles, and probably shoot less than 50 rnds per year out of one, but 100 yd targets are boring even for me. Hopefully when they catch this guy, they will hang him from the first tree they can find.

October 8, 2002, 07:46 AM	#11
Sisco Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 1999 Location: KS Posts: 1,558	"Stick to the facts"? That is no longer a journalistic requirement. __________________ "I don't mind it when stupid people say stupid things. Stupid people should be encouraged to say stupid things, that way we always know who the stupid people are." ~ Ted Nugent http://www.awbansunset.com/awcountdown_sm.gif

October 8, 2002, 07:48 AM	#12
Leatherneck Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 292	The schoolkid in Maryland was hit from a hide about 400 feet away. Not a trivial shot, but not terribly difficult, especially with a scope. But look at his overall record: eight known shots, seven hits under different conditions. This guy has at least a modicum of skill as a shooter/hider. I actually awoke last night from a dream in which I was walking around a corner and encountered a van with a shooter in it. I had run through about three successful scenarioes involving me (CCW), the rifleman, and the lawmen before I got back to sleep. TC

October 8, 2002, 12:41 PM	#13
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 6,073	Leatherneck, I hope you, or someone like you, finds the murderer soon. __________________ I am Pro-Rights (on gun issues).

October 8, 2002, 01:45 PM	#14
Blackhawk Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2001 Posts: 5,040	I can't believe there aren't more witnesses than the one who saw a white van with black lettering. That area is hip deep in people from what I recall. Even if the rifle was seriously suppressed, the bullet makes quite a distinctive noise. My bet is that the cops are not releasing any information about who's come forward or what they may have said.

October 8, 2002, 01:48 PM	#15
Hutch Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2000 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,124	LN, do you have a URL for a story that gives the information you just offered? If the po-po's have found a hide, then the whole "drive-by" MO has just gone down the gurgler. If they have in fact found a hide, then they're probably sifting a lot of clues out of it. I wish them luck, and I hope some grandmotherly sort pulls her J-frame from her purse and parks one right between the doer's headlights. __________________ "First, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility" -- L. Neil Smith ' I have an [in]alienable right to bear arms. I will exercise my own judgement in their use and accept responsibilty for the consequences' - Oakleaf

October 8, 2002, 03:13 PM	#16
Leatherneck Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 292	Hutch, Unfortunately, I'm going on what I recall from an article in the Wash Compost this morning. A little map showed a wooded area about 400 ft NNE of the kid's dropoff point. It looked like a smallish patch of woods in a suburban development type area. I envisioned a not-yet built-up cul-de-sac where tha van--or whatever--could be parked and a short walk through the woods would get the BG to a convenient prone shooting position. Later news reports had a LEO referring to "forensic evidence" recovered from the site, which the media soon were calling a "spent cartridge case". If true, I would think the site would yield some potentially informative bits of evidence. I'll try to verify tonight. TC