[Q] inexpensive conversion to 7.62x25 (tokarev)

platform · July 25, 2009, 09:17 PM

I have thought that at least several companies
are working on
some sort of conversion system to allow to shoot
7.62x25
from Bereta, 1911 or Glock 20

does anybody know if such thing happen
(I have been of out of the g-news for 1.5 years now)

CZ-52s are Ok -- but cannot run courses with them (as they are practically impossible to tactical reload on the course)

kozak6 · July 25, 2009, 11:59 PM

I really don't see it happening.

The 7.62x25 is a relatively long cartridge. It's significantly longer than most semiautomatic pistol cartridges. It's even just a bit longer than a 10mm cartridge.

It won't fit into most pistol magazines, and hence not into most pistol frames either. Any sort of conversion would require the services of a very talented and very expensive gunsmith, if it were even safe or possible.

**JohnKSa** · July 26, 2009, 12:15 AM

Had the same thought awhile back and was stymied by the length of the cartridge. You could probably reload them to a shorter OAL so they'd fit into a typical 10mm magazine but you'd have to be really careful about pressure issues with hotter loads and you'd defeat the main point of 7.62x25 which is cheap, mostly non-reloadable surplus ammo.

It might be possible to convert a revolver in .30 carbine or .32-20 to 7.62x25 with a new cylinder but don't quote me--that possibility just occurred to me and I haven't researched it.

A rebarrel in a .30 carbine semi-auto might work. But offhand I can only think of one .30 carbine semi-auto pistol.

HorseSoldier · July 26, 2009, 01:24 PM

+1 (+2, technically, I suppose) -- 7.62x25 is too long for conversion of any major, current production pistol models (the FN 5-7 may be an exception, but I think that's a non-starter for other reasons). There have been a bunch of threads on various gun boards about people thinking about doing something like a G20 conversion, and the eventual answer is always that it isn't really feasible.

Another line of thinking I've seen discussed is what about the possibility of getting some manufacturer to design a modern 7.62x25 pistol, but the comments from industry insiders has been that no company has seen the market as big enough or valuable enough to invest the start up costs on the project.

James K · July 26, 2009, 08:25 PM

It is worth noting that during the Vietnam war, gunsmiths for the Viet Cong converted captured U.S. M1911A1 pistols to use the 7.62x25. They had to ream out the magazine well and make new magazines, as well as making or altering barrels and modifying the extractor, but the guns worked.

Still, in my opinion, not something someone would do for amusement.

Jim

Erik Prins · July 26, 2009, 09:41 PM

it would probably be simpler to modify a cz 52 to make it easier to reload quickly

July 25, 2009, 09:17 PM	#1
platform Member Join Date: June 23, 2007 Posts: 93	[Q] inexpensive conversion to 7.62x25 (tokarev) I have thought that at least several companies are working on some sort of conversion system to allow to shoot 7.62x25 from Bereta, 1911 or Glock 20 does anybody know if such thing happen (I have been of out of the g-news for 1.5 years now) CZ-52s are Ok -- but cannot run courses with them (as they are practically impossible to tactical reload on the course)

July 26, 2009, 12:15 AM	#3
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,986	Had the same thought awhile back and was stymied by the length of the cartridge. You could probably reload them to a shorter OAL so they'd fit into a typical 10mm magazine but you'd have to be really careful about pressure issues with hotter loads and you'd defeat the main point of 7.62x25 which is cheap, mostly non-reloadable surplus ammo. It might be possible to convert a revolver in .30 carbine or .32-20 to 7.62x25 with a new cylinder but don't quote me--that possibility just occurred to me and I haven't researched it. A rebarrel in a .30 carbine semi-auto might work. But offhand I can only think of one .30 carbine semi-auto pistol. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

July 26, 2009, 09:41 PM	#6
Erik Prins Member Join Date: May 31, 2008 Posts: 74	it would probably be simpler to modify a cz 52 to make it easier to reload quickly __________________ Guns are responsible for violent crime. 1200 AD must have been nice, no one had guns so it must have been completely crime free.

July 25, 2009, 11:59 PM	#2
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	I really don't see it happening. The 7.62x25 is a relatively long cartridge. It's significantly longer than most semiautomatic pistol cartridges. It's even just a bit longer than a 10mm cartridge. It won't fit into most pistol magazines, and hence not into most pistol frames either. Any sort of conversion would require the services of a very talented and very expensive gunsmith, if it were even safe or possible.

July 26, 2009, 01:24 PM	#4
HorseSoldier Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2006 Location: OCONUS 61°13′06″N 149°53′57″W Posts: 2,282	+1 (+2, technically, I suppose) -- 7.62x25 is too long for conversion of any major, current production pistol models (the FN 5-7 may be an exception, but I think that's a non-starter for other reasons). There have been a bunch of threads on various gun boards about people thinking about doing something like a G20 conversion, and the eventual answer is always that it isn't really feasible. Another line of thinking I've seen discussed is what about the possibility of getting some manufacturer to design a modern 7.62x25 pistol, but the comments from industry insiders has been that no company has seen the market as big enough or valuable enough to invest the start up costs on the project.

July 26, 2009, 08:25 PM	#5
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	It is worth noting that during the Vietnam war, gunsmiths for the Viet Cong converted captured U.S. M1911A1 pistols to use the 7.62x25. They had to ream out the magazine well and make new magazines, as well as making or altering barrels and modifying the extractor, but the guns worked. Still, in my opinion, not something someone would do for amusement. Jim