284 Winchester

LAH · March 30, 2013, 11:18 AM

I need to put together 200 rounds of .284 Winchester ammo for a Model 88 Winchester. I'll be using Nosler 150 grain Ballistic Tips. I have IMR 4350, IMR 4831, & Hodgdn SC 4831. If it were a bolt gun I wouldn't be asking but since I've never loaded for an 88 give me some advice. Thanks & God Bless........Creeker

gundog5 · March 30, 2013, 07:20 PM

I had one years ago and it was a pretty solid gun but it sounds as if this one is pretty new to you. my nosler manual shows H-4831 52.0 to 56.0 max and IMR 4350 45.5 to 49.5 max. I would stick to mid power loads until have time to work up loads to higher velocity/power. Velocity is close for both powders with no mention of imr4831.

LAH · March 30, 2013, 08:31 PM

You know Gundog Nosler's max load is less than IMR's starting load. I know the 150 grain bullets each source use are different but there's sure a lot of difference between the two.

GeauxTide · March 30, 2013, 10:00 PM

The 150 NBT is mighty long for that short neck. You'll find the 154 Hornady just as accurate and half the cost. With your powder choices, IMR4350 would be the right one. My 280 has about the same capacity and loves RL-19 and 140s.

gundog5 · March 31, 2013, 12:38 PM

Yeh, it drives me crazy to. I have seven different manuals and try to stick to the one who makes the bullet, but when I can't find the powder I want to use i'll look in other manuals and have never had issues from pressure. Makes you wonder why such a wide veration in powder charges. My guess has always been that some are just more conservitive then others.

LAH · March 31, 2013, 09:28 PM

Finished sizing them.

LAH · April 1, 2013, 09:05 PM

The cases were long after sizing so to the trimmer we go.

Outside/inside neck

david_r · April 2, 2013, 12:36 AM

LAH,
I have nothing to add to this. I just wanted to say, cool gun you have. I have one in 308 [yawn] that I really love. I have a web snapshot of wisenersinc.com model 88/100 information they used to have published. It gives a lot of information on these models but unfortunately most of the pictures are missing. They used to make replacement magazines on the original winchester tooling but I don't see them on their current website.

LAH · April 2, 2013, 09:13 AM

Thanks David.

Dirty primer pockets

Clean

pathdoc · April 2, 2013, 05:15 PM

Makes you wonder why such a wide veration in powder charges. My guess has always been that some are just more conservitive then others.

If the powder maker is listing generic no-brand-name-mentioned data for a given bullet weight in a specific calibre, they are constrained to listing a load safe for all the brands they tested of that weight, which might handicap some projectiles more than others.

If they are listing specific data for specific bullets from a specific manufacturer which are significantly lower than the manufacturer's loads, I honestly have no idea. Perhaps their test rifle or their pressure gun really is that sensitive?

LAH · April 3, 2013, 04:06 PM

Ready for primers

Primed on my old 450 Dillon

LAH · April 4, 2013, 08:56 PM

Loaded a few with 52 grains of IMR 4350 with an OAL of 2.800". They functioned well & here's the fired cases.

david_r · April 5, 2013, 02:20 AM

Where's the target?

And how about a picture of the rifle while you're at it?

LAH · April 5, 2013, 11:53 AM

No target, I only shot these for function. Here's the rifle.

Tom Matiska · April 5, 2013, 12:55 PM

Quote:

If it were a bolt gun I wouldn't be asking.....

The 88 is a bolt that is lever operated. No need for concern.

My only knock on the 88 is the action is about as loooong as short action gets. For hands on carry in brush it gets a little nose heavy pretty quick and winds up on the shoulder just before bambi surprises you. The long path between the click of the trigger and the pin hitting the primer hurts offhand shooting. Some 88's are ok, or not, but very few are great offhand

david_r · April 5, 2013, 01:21 PM

Sweet. Not the pressed acorns and oak leaf and not 308. I would say that's a keeper

LAH · April 5, 2013, 04:05 PM

Yes it locks just like a bolt action with it's rotating lug. This I understand even though it's not my rifle & I've never owned one. The 284 I was referring to as a bolt gun was this:

LAH · April 5, 2013, 08:09 PM

After much thought I decided to load these with 51.5 grains of the IMR 4350.

No chance of a double charge. HEE HEE

LAH · April 5, 2013, 09:47 PM

Ready for the Ballistic Tips

This is how they look

The two hundred

Dave R · April 6, 2013, 12:31 PM

Nice job.

LAH · April 6, 2013, 02:04 PM

Thanks Dave.

March 30, 2013, 11:18 AM	#1
LAH Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2002 Location: In The Hardwoods Posts: 1,188	284 Winchester I need to put together 200 rounds of .284 Winchester ammo for a Model 88 Winchester. I'll be using Nosler 150 grain Ballistic Tips. I have IMR 4350, IMR 4831, & Hodgdn SC 4831. If it were a bolt gun I wouldn't be asking but since I've never loaded for an 88 give me some advice. Thanks & God Bless........Creeker

April 6, 2013, 12:31 PM	#20
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 6,073	Pretty Nice job. __________________ I am Pro-Rights (on gun issues).

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March 30, 2013, 07:20 PM	#2
gundog5 Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2013 Posts: 116	I had one years ago and it was a pretty solid gun but it sounds as if this one is pretty new to you. my nosler manual shows H-4831 52.0 to 56.0 max and IMR 4350 45.5 to 49.5 max. I would stick to mid power loads until have time to work up loads to higher velocity/power. Velocity is close for both powders with no mention of imr4831.

March 30, 2013, 08:31 PM	#3
LAH Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2002 Location: In The Hardwoods Posts: 1,188	You know Gundog Nosler's max load is less than IMR's starting load. I know the 150 grain bullets each source use are different but there's sure a lot of difference between the two.

March 30, 2013, 10:00 PM	#4
GeauxTide Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2009 Location: Helena, AL Posts: 4,423	The 150 NBT is mighty long for that short neck. You'll find the 154 Hornady just as accurate and half the cost. With your powder choices, IMR4350 would be the right one. My 280 has about the same capacity and loves RL-19 and 140s.

March 31, 2013, 12:38 PM	#5
gundog5 Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2013 Posts: 116	Yeh, it drives me crazy to. I have seven different manuals and try to stick to the one who makes the bullet, but when I can't find the powder I want to use i'll look in other manuals and have never had issues from pressure. Makes you wonder why such a wide veration in powder charges. My guess has always been that some are just more conservitive then others.

March 31, 2013, 09:28 PM	#6
LAH Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2002 Location: In The Hardwoods Posts: 1,188	Finished sizing them.

April 1, 2013, 09:05 PM	#7
LAH Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2002 Location: In The Hardwoods Posts: 1,188	The cases were long after sizing so to the trimmer we go. Outside/inside neck

April 2, 2013, 12:36 AM	#8
david_r Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2013 Posts: 131	LAH, I have nothing to add to this. I just wanted to say, cool gun you have. I have one in 308 [yawn] that I really love. I have a web snapshot of wisenersinc.com model 88/100 information they used to have published. It gives a lot of information on these models but unfortunately most of the pictures are missing. They used to make replacement magazines on the original winchester tooling but I don't see them on their current website.

April 2, 2013, 09:13 AM	#9
LAH Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2002 Location: In The Hardwoods Posts: 1,188	Thanks David. Dirty primer pockets Clean

April 2, 2013, 05:15 PM	#10
pathdoc Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2013 Posts: 669	Makes you wonder why such a wide veration in powder charges. My guess has always been that some are just more conservitive then others. If the powder maker is listing generic no-brand-name-mentioned data for a given bullet weight in a specific calibre, they are constrained to listing a load safe for all the brands they tested of that weight, which might handicap some projectiles more than others. If they are listing specific data for specific bullets from a specific manufacturer which are significantly lower than the manufacturer's loads, I honestly have no idea. Perhaps their test rifle or their pressure gun really is that sensitive?

April 3, 2013, 04:06 PM	#11
LAH Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2002 Location: In The Hardwoods Posts: 1,188	Ready for primers Primed on my old 450 Dillon

April 4, 2013, 08:56 PM	#12
LAH Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2002 Location: In The Hardwoods Posts: 1,188	Loaded a few with 52 grains of IMR 4350 with an OAL of 2.800". They functioned well & here's the fired cases.

April 5, 2013, 02:20 AM	#13
david_r Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2013 Posts: 131	Where's the target? And how about a picture of the rifle while you're at it?

April 5, 2013, 11:53 AM	#14
LAH Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2002 Location: In The Hardwoods Posts: 1,188	No target, I only shot these for function. Here's the rifle.

April 5, 2013, 01:21 PM	#16
david_r Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2013 Posts: 131	Sweet. Not the pressed acorns and oak leaf and not 308. I would say that's a keeper

April 5, 2013, 04:05 PM	#17
LAH Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2002 Location: In The Hardwoods Posts: 1,188	Yes it locks just like a bolt action with it's rotating lug. This I understand even though it's not my rifle & I've never owned one. The 284 I was referring to as a bolt gun was this:

April 5, 2013, 08:09 PM	#18
LAH Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2002 Location: In The Hardwoods Posts: 1,188	After much thought I decided to load these with 51.5 grains of the IMR 4350. No chance of a double charge. HEE HEE

April 5, 2013, 09:47 PM	#19
LAH Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2002 Location: In The Hardwoods Posts: 1,188	Ready for the Ballistic Tips This is how they look The two hundred

April 6, 2013, 02:04 PM	#21
LAH Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2002 Location: In The Hardwoods Posts: 1,188	Thanks Dave.