June 2, 2009, 12:13 PM | #1 |
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After reading so many forums on home defense talking about using 00 buckshot loads and other heavy loads, I decided to experiment with an ounce 7.5 clay load at 15 paces.See here the result
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ney2_rIs0A4 I can't imagine any one walking away after being hit |
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Link not working for me...
Try just copy pasting the address from the top window... looks like this when done... http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...te=1&p=3522857 Brent Last edited by hogdogs; June 2, 2009 at 12:22 PM. Reason: Never mind... fixed... |
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Lots of damage and nice tight pattern...
As lethal as it may be, I will continue to stick with buck shot. Brent |
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This debate has been done to death on TFL and many other forums.
I can't see what blasting a vegie is going to prove or change in the eyes of the dubba ought buck masses. Defense against turnips huh? We have problems with zombies round here...
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I can't imagine any one walking away after being hit
Then you should read this medical examiner's report from Australia... http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/...n/herdson.html In February 1995, a death in parkland close to residential property in Canberra was reported to the Australian Federal Police. The body of a man had been found at the edge of a steep slope, about 150 metres from his home. He was lying on his left side with his head towards the top of a ridge. There was a lot of blood on his right shoulder and an obvious injury to the lower jaw and neck. A pump-action shotgun was lying about a metre from the body with the barrel facing up the slope, and a pair of shoes lay next to the gun. The action of the gun was open and contained a fired No. 2 shot shell case which had not been ejected. The muzzle end of the barrel was bloodstained and smudged, consistent with the barrel being held by both hands. Initially, it appeared to be a straightforward shotgun suicide. When the body was turned over, however, two additional gunshot entry wounds were seen on the chest. To suicide was added the possibility of murder. //snip lpl |
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What load you use depends on the surrounding and state where you live. In the house open bore with an ounce of BB's is good. For out and about the property Rhodesian's would get my vote.
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I don't know why people always want to use bird shot for home defence, it is unsafe and can fail to penetrate enough to put a man down before he harms you or those around you.
Why on Earth do people want to risk their lives just to shoot birdshot at an intruder????? There is no extra effort in moving your hand to the right to pick up the box of buckshot, or box of slugs instead. If you have a man aiming a gun at you, do you want the gun that should work, or the gun that WILL work? "I can't imagine any one walking away after being hit..." Pure inexperienced opinion. You would trust your life, and your family's life to that because it shot a TURNIP once?
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I need to go make some popcorn for this one....
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Make mine with plenty of butter please.
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Considering that good high brass hot loads of bird shot is not a substantial savings over my Winchester Super "X" 00 that have been droppin' deer for my family freezers since well before 1976... I will stick with that... I would however use a sling shot if that was all I had... Brent Last edited by hogdogs; June 6, 2009 at 07:42 AM. |
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I was a submariner in the Navy. Our defensive shotguns were 12 gauge pumps with 00BK. At least they were, every time I regualified. I figure someone did some research to decide what to issue to us...I hope anyway. So I'm using the same thing for my house.
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Seriously? Blasting vegetables?
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The plan at that time was to pump .68 cal paintballs @ 350fps (hotter than most fields will allow) and 15 balls/second into the BG's face. I actually think it would have worked, paintballs at ranges up to 150ft can permanently damage/destroy the eyes and ears. Shots to where the sun don't shine can put you out of action really quick for a long time too . Unfortunately I know this from experience .
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Good overview of buckshot vs birdshot
http://www.shadonet.com/2008/01/choo...-home-defense/
You really need to check this out before using birdshot. In my 20+ yrs in EMS, I've seen quite a few people walk away after getting hit with birdshot. One was point blank to the head. 00 or slugs do the job. |
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Not that a turnip is a good medium to test ammo performance, but you should have shot one with buckshot as well for comparison.
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That turnip didnt do anything, but that bad guy plans on it. Be safe and go smart.
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http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot22.htm
You can't hunt deer with bird shot, because it's inhumane. What would a jury say to maiming someone with birdshot. |
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I'm going to use 7 1/2 shot if I find that Bob the Tomato and Larry the Cucumber are on a burglary spree... no doubt in my mind.
Anyone see the movie The Birds? Very scarey. You'd need lotsa birdshot in one of those scenarios. Tinkerbell... you could take her out with birdshot. There has to be more that I'm forgetting. |
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Them were crows/ravens in the birds Or was it seagulls?
Either way I would want 6, 5 or 4 bird shot for them... Brent |
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Very interesting to say the least. For me and my family, OO is good. Or maybe a sluggster or two would work?
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Pics courtesy of tacticalworks.ca
#8 heavy dove birdshot into ballistic gelatin. Max penetration: insufficient. |
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Anybody have a picture of birdshot vs. tomatoes? That Bob the Tomato guy is always eyeballing me. I think he's up to no good.
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