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Perleyu · September 16, 2013, 07:13 PM

Hello again. If you were to buy a new inexpensive bolt rifle in 308 or 7x57mm, what would you get? There is a confusing array of choices on the market and I walk away bewildered and head scratching. Just this week WalMart advertises Remington 770 for 297 bucks, a Savage 11 Trophy Hunter XP for 497 dollars, and I know that they have the Ruger American down there, I think for a little under 400. They also advertise Mossberg ATR Deer Thug for $347 and Remington 783 for $387. I'm not thrilled with the new synthetic stocks and such, BUT, I don't have the bucks to buy a better rifle with wood stock. ANYONE?

Doyle · September 16, 2013, 07:57 PM

Remington 770 doesn't have a great reputation. It was designed more by bean counters than by engineers. Mossberg ATR isn't much better. Of the other two that you mentioned, I'd take the Savage but the Ruger is also well built.

As to stock, you might want to rethink synthetic. They are much more durable in the field than wood.

For caliber - definately .308 unless you reload. 7x57 is a great caliber but ammo availabilty will never rival .308.

pilothunter · September 16, 2013, 08:05 PM

I know of no 7x57 rifles (NIB) out there that are "cheap". They are made in M70 Winchester form for about 9 Benjamins and I know of few others out there now. The .308 (30/06), however, is another story. For that chambering I'd want either a Marlin bolt rifle or a Ruger American in the low priced arena. Both will run you somewhere around 3-4 Benjamins and if you spend at least 2-7x32 Nikon Prostaff $$ on a scope, you will be a very happy camper.

Nikon Prostaff, Leupold VX1, Burris FFII, Bushnell Elite for scopes to consider.

Perleyu · September 17, 2013, 03:33 PM

OK, thanks for the opinions. So this weekend I will check out the Savage Model 11 Trophy Hunter XP, the Ruger American, and the Remington 783. All in 308 if I can. WalMart offers Layaway from this Monday until the 23rd of December. Should be enough time for me to get it paid off. Sorry to be poor. Perley

Fox84 · September 17, 2013, 06:15 PM

I have a Ruger American in 308. It's a nice gun and pretty accurate. The adjustable trigger is nice. I like mine....

chiefr · September 17, 2013, 07:00 PM

If cost is a factor, I would avoid the 770 and buy the Ruger All American.
If quality and resale value is important: Ruger Hawkeye or Rem 700.

Perleyu · September 17, 2013, 07:29 PM

OK, and thanks to all. I have read that the Ruger American is a good rifle. I also read that these guns (cheapies) all leave something to be desired, mainly because at the end of assembly, they can't afford to fine tune them. I did look over an American last winter, and I discovered that the magazine did not slide in and out like the more expensive guns. BUT, that's why the expensive guns are expensive, because they DO fine tune them before letting them out.
Based on the previous comments I have given up on the 770 and the Mossberg. But the comments regarding the 783 seemed to be favorable (sort of) and also for the Savage. With similar comments about the American. WalMart's price for the Ruger American is $379.00, so that is probably what I'll get. And in the 308. I've never really been a fan of the 30-06, although I've never owned one. But I've shot some quite a lot and don't care for the muzzle blast and the kick. And I don't really need the range of that caliber. Up where I live, long shots are not the norm.
And thank you all so much for taking the time and trouble to share your views on this subject. Regards, Perley

Storm27m · September 18, 2013, 12:29 AM

You may have to order it from online, but that Mossberg ATR 308 is available with a nice walnut stock (real walnut, not walnut stained hardwood). Last time I was on the Buds Gun Shop website, they were in stock and around $312 shipped. Buds also has a layaway plan that I have used before without issue. In regards to the poor comments about the Mossberg, I've read plenty of positive reviews about them. Just about every gun out there is going to have negative reviews. A lot of the complaints about the Mossberg were geared towards the earlier version without their new trigger and towards the crappy plastic stock on both new and old versions. Go handle one and make your own decision.

Edit: Just checked and still in stock at $324 shipped
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...LBA+308+MT+WAL

G-town Hunter · September 19, 2013, 12:17 AM

Get the Ruger American or the Remington 700 ADL both I believe are sub-$400 rifles and I believe you will be more than happy with either

Boomer58cal · September 19, 2013, 08:40 PM

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Get the Ruger American or the Remington 700 ADL both I believe are sub-$400 riflesand I believe you will be more than happy with either

I'd love to know where people are finding these Remi 700 for under 400 bucks. I've heard at least a dozen people on TFL quote $400 prices.

Well I basically lived at gun shows for about 15 years as a dealer and I've yet to see a new 700 go for $400. The best I've seen was about $450 and that was years ago. Right now they're going for around $700 here and that's a smokin deal compared to 6-8 months ago.

An ADL at Walmart is going for about $599( on sale! )

Ruger Americans are going for about $325. It's getting pretty hard to argue with rifles like the American when you can get one and a $300 scope for the same money as a 700.

Boomer

Storm27m · September 19, 2013, 09:22 PM

Our local Academy sporting goods sells the Remington 700 ADL for $379.99 as an everyday price.

http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/st...024+4294965700

Boomer58cal · September 19, 2013, 09:47 PM

There isn't one within a thousand miles of here, but thanks.

Boomer

mxsailor803 · September 20, 2013, 02:08 AM

Personally, I would stay away from the 783 until its been out a little longer. I've got a couple of older "cheaper" Remingtons (788's 1 .308 and 1 .243). Understand that these lower end models do not have a much for aftermarket support in case you want to modify and customize. Now with that being said, I'm gonna throw another model out there to look at, Savage Axis. My dad has one in 30-06 and likes it more than his 70's era 700 BDL mainly because its much lighter. Its actually a really good minute of deer rifle. I can't knock the Ruger American, actually thinking about getting one for myself.

Doyle · September 20, 2013, 07:42 AM

The biggest downside of the Savage Axis is that it does not have a recoil lug. That really kills your ability to do much in the way of stock customizing or accurizing. For a cheap Savage, I'd much rather get the Stevens 200. That is the same action as a Savage 110 (long-proven quality action) set into a pretty plain-Jane composite stock.

oneoldsap · September 20, 2013, 06:36 PM

Get a Ruger American in .308 Win. , and never look back !

BIG P · September 20, 2013, 11:14 PM

Seen the Ruger American at the LGS Today for 329.00 they had about 10.Had to get one myself.

September 16, 2013, 07:13 PM	#1
Perleyu Junior Member Join Date: March 4, 2013 Posts: 12	new gun Hello again. If you were to buy a new inexpensive bolt rifle in 308 or 7x57mm, what would you get? There is a confusing array of choices on the market and I walk away bewildered and head scratching. Just this week WalMart advertises Remington 770 for 297 bucks, a Savage 11 Trophy Hunter XP for 497 dollars, and I know that they have the Ruger American down there, I think for a little under 400. They also advertise Mossberg ATR Deer Thug for $347 and Remington 783 for $387. I'm not thrilled with the new synthetic stocks and such, BUT, I don't have the bucks to buy a better rifle with wood stock. ANYONE?

September 17, 2013, 03:33 PM	#4
Perleyu Junior Member Join Date: March 4, 2013 Posts: 12	Thanks OK, thanks for the opinions. So this weekend I will check out the Savage Model 11 Trophy Hunter XP, the Ruger American, and the Remington 783. All in 308 if I can. WalMart offers Layaway from this Monday until the 23rd of December. Should be enough time for me to get it paid off. Sorry to be poor. Perley

September 17, 2013, 07:29 PM	#7
Perleyu Junior Member Join Date: March 4, 2013 Posts: 12	Will Do OK, and thanks to all. I have read that the Ruger American is a good rifle. I also read that these guns (cheapies) all leave something to be desired, mainly because at the end of assembly, they can't afford to fine tune them. I did look over an American last winter, and I discovered that the magazine did not slide in and out like the more expensive guns. BUT, that's why the expensive guns are expensive, because they DO fine tune them before letting them out. Based on the previous comments I have given up on the 770 and the Mossberg. But the comments regarding the 783 seemed to be favorable (sort of) and also for the Savage. With similar comments about the American. WalMart's price for the Ruger American is $379.00, so that is probably what I'll get. And in the 308. I've never really been a fan of the 30-06, although I've never owned one. But I've shot some quite a lot and don't care for the muzzle blast and the kick. And I don't really need the range of that caliber. Up where I live, long shots are not the norm. And thank you all so much for taking the time and trouble to share your views on this subject. Regards, Perley

September 18, 2013, 12:29 AM	#8
Storm27m Member Join Date: February 1, 2009 Posts: 42	You may have to order it from online, but that Mossberg ATR 308 is available with a nice walnut stock (real walnut, not walnut stained hardwood). Last time I was on the Buds Gun Shop website, they were in stock and around $312 shipped. Buds also has a layaway plan that I have used before without issue. In regards to the poor comments about the Mossberg, I've read plenty of positive reviews about them. Just about every gun out there is going to have negative reviews. A lot of the complaints about the Mossberg were geared towards the earlier version without their new trigger and towards the crappy plastic stock on both new and old versions. Go handle one and make your own decision. Edit: Just checked and still in stock at $324 shipped http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...LBA+308+MT+WAL Last edited by Storm27m; September 18, 2013 at 12:43 AM.

September 19, 2013, 09:47 PM	#12
Boomer58cal Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2013 Location: closer than you think Posts: 967	There isn't one within a thousand miles of here, but thanks. Boomer __________________ The number one cause of death in the 20th century. 290,000,000 citizens were first disarmed and then murdered by their own governments. This number does not include those killed in war. We're from the government, we're here to help

September 16, 2013, 07:57 PM	#2
Doyle Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2007 Location: Rainbow City, Alabama Posts: 7,167	Remington 770 doesn't have a great reputation. It was designed more by bean counters than by engineers. Mossberg ATR isn't much better. Of the other two that you mentioned, I'd take the Savage but the Ruger is also well built. As to stock, you might want to rethink synthetic. They are much more durable in the field than wood. For caliber - definately .308 unless you reload. 7x57 is a great caliber but ammo availabilty will never rival .308.

September 16, 2013, 08:05 PM	#3
pilothunter Junior member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Location: Tn Posts: 400	I know of no 7x57 rifles (NIB) out there that are "cheap". They are made in M70 Winchester form for about 9 Benjamins and I know of few others out there now. The .308 (30/06), however, is another story. For that chambering I'd want either a Marlin bolt rifle or a Ruger American in the low priced arena. Both will run you somewhere around 3-4 Benjamins and if you spend at least 2-7x32 Nikon Prostaff $$ on a scope, you will be a very happy camper. Nikon Prostaff, Leupold VX1, Burris FFII, Bushnell Elite for scopes to consider.

September 17, 2013, 06:15 PM	#5
Fox84 Senior Member Join Date: September 25, 2012 Location: Chester Va Posts: 360	I have a Ruger American in 308. It's a nice gun and pretty accurate. The adjustable trigger is nice. I like mine....

September 17, 2013, 07:00 PM	#6
chiefr Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2010 Location: AR Posts: 1,401	If cost is a factor, I would avoid the 770 and buy the Ruger All American. If quality and resale value is important: Ruger Hawkeye or Rem 700.

September 19, 2013, 12:17 AM	#9
G-town Hunter Member Join Date: May 16, 2013 Posts: 29	Get the Ruger American or the Remington 700 ADL both I believe are sub-$400 rifles and I believe you will be more than happy with either

September 19, 2013, 09:22 PM	#11
Storm27m Member Join Date: February 1, 2009 Posts: 42	Our local Academy sporting goods sells the Remington 700 ADL for $379.99 as an everyday price. http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/st...024+4294965700

September 20, 2013, 02:08 AM	#13
mxsailor803 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2010 Location: SC Posts: 1,344	Personally, I would stay away from the 783 until its been out a little longer. I've got a couple of older "cheaper" Remingtons (788's 1 .308 and 1 .243). Understand that these lower end models do not have a much for aftermarket support in case you want to modify and customize. Now with that being said, I'm gonna throw another model out there to look at, Savage Axis. My dad has one in 30-06 and likes it more than his 70's era 700 BDL mainly because its much lighter. Its actually a really good minute of deer rifle. I can't knock the Ruger American, actually thinking about getting one for myself.

September 20, 2013, 07:42 AM	#14
Doyle Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2007 Location: Rainbow City, Alabama Posts: 7,167	The biggest downside of the Savage Axis is that it does not have a recoil lug. That really kills your ability to do much in the way of stock customizing or accurizing. For a cheap Savage, I'd much rather get the Stevens 200. That is the same action as a Savage 110 (long-proven quality action) set into a pretty plain-Jane composite stock.

September 20, 2013, 06:36 PM	#15
oneoldsap Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2009 Location: I live in the foot of the Green Mountains of Vermont Posts: 1,602	Get a Ruger American in .308 Win. , and never look back ! __________________ Don't forget to have your liberals spayed or neutered !

September 20, 2013, 11:14 PM	#16
BIG P Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2010 Location: North Georgia Posts: 1,679	Seen the Ruger American at the LGS Today for 329.00 they had about 10.Had to get one myself.

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