The dangers of Pine-Sol

[Chestnut Forge]

After a day of burning the black, I needed to do a tear-down cleaning. The walker was stripped and everything but the grips went into a 5 gal tote. In goes the hot water with pine-sol. I put a fountain pump in it and let it run for about 45 min. Everything came out clean as brand new, but it stripped the bluing off the cylinder and the color off the frame and loading lever, ram and hammer.

[Powderman]

That's why--for general cleaning but most especially for cleaning up my BPCR brass--I use a mix of water and Simple Green in an ultrasonic cleaner. It won't strip bluing.

[kwhi43]

How many times must I repeat, WATER, WATER, WATER!

[MJN77]

Have always used hot soapy water. Nothing works better IMHO.

[Chestnut Forge]

It does have an aged look now. I think I will brown it.

[maillemaker]

I had assumed it was the ammonia that got to you, but it turns out Pin-Sol does not contain ammonia.

http://www.thecloroxcompany.com/down...acecleaner.pdf

Anyway sorry for your headache but thanks for posting the warning.

I just use dish detergent and hot water.

Steve

[Pahoo]

It does have an aged look now. I think I will brown it.

Sorry for your problem and compliments on your positive attitude. Thanks for the heads-up that we can all learn from. .....

How many times must I repete, WATER, WATER, WATER!

I drink it; my guns don't touch it. ....

Be Safe !!!

[Chestnut Forge]

Funny thing is that it didn't touch the bluing on the barrel. Must be a different process on it. I'm thinking about the bleach treatment on the whole gun. Since it to cold in the garage right now, it will have to wait til spring. In the mean time I plan on just shooting and keep it oiled.

[Fingers McGee]

Water with a little Dawn liquid and Balistol - either mixed or straight. Works every time & wont harm the finish

[freedom475]

If you wrap your barrel with vinegar soaked rags it will take the bluing off of everything. ( I use paper towels)

It will leave you with a very nice acid washed finish that is very hard and won't rust.

I have a few barrels finshed in this manner. First time I discoved this is when I spilled some Vinegar on my old sharps barrel. It left a bad mark so I stripped the whole barrel.

Liked it so much I finished my new sharps in this manner when I got it.

Here is the Sharps.

[rclark]

{hot} Water with a little Dawn liquid

Same here ...

[Doc Hoy]

See guys, see?

I told you.

The bear liked Freedoms rig so much, that he gave up the fight, bought the rig from Freedom and now he is sleeping with it.

[salvadore]

Doc, Flitz takes off CC also, at least the Italian CC.

[MJN77]

Just a historic note. On original Walker revolvers the cylinder wasn't blued. It was left "in the white".

[wap41]

Lime away from the grocery store will remove bluing and not affect the metal Have used it for years.

[Captainkirk]

Wow...good to know. Never tried Pine Sol, and I sure as hell won't now, for sure!

[Rifleman1776]

How many times must I repete, WATER, WATER, WATER!

You can repete, or even repeat, as often as you want but some kind of cleaner is needed with black powder residue.
I know the chemistry of bp but, in actuality, bp contains contaminants that do not always clean up with just water. The chemicals are usually industrial grade and far from pure. The charcol is often also far from pure. I have used whatever kind of soap is at hand for half a century for my bp cleaning and it has never been an issue.
To qualify: It is my understanding that some powders, like Swiss and Olde Ensyford, use pharmecutical chemicals and a high grade charcol. They might clean up well with just water. But, a soap of some kind won't hurt. The subject of this thread is an exception. I dunno what is in Pine Sol and, it looks like no one here knows what kind of (real) coloring or blueing was on his cylinder. That might have washed off in the rain. We really dunno.

[kwhi43]

I wouldn't ever even think of putting soap down any of my custom barrels.
You know what's in soap?

[salvadore]

Fish poop?

[B.L.E.]

Soap is a sodium or potassium salt of fatty acids. It acts as a wetting agent and an emulsifier for oils.

There are also detergents, soap is a detergent but not all detergents are soap.


Acids, salts, and bases have a common property, they are highly water soluble. Anything that's not water soluble probably won't rust your barrel.
There are a few salts that are not water soluble, silver chloride for example, but even it will dissolve in a solution of sodium thiosulfate (hyposulfate in darkroom lingo).

[noelf2]

You know what's in soap?

Yep. Miraculous stuff that cleans BP and lube residue. Been using a little dish soap in hot water for all my years shooting BP and it helps to cut through the fouling. Just hot water never did the trick for me, and dish soap leaves no residue when you rinse with more hot water. I've noticed no bad effects, and it has saved me time. Try this trick. Pour a small pile of black powder on a flat rock. Put a little gob of beeswax on the top of it. Light it off with a match. When cool, rub the palm of your hand on the black goo. Then go try to wash it off with hot water. Post results...

[rclark]

Yep. {Dawn dish soap} Miraculous stuff that cleans BP and lube residue.... for all my years shooting BP

+1 . I have been using the O' Murphy mix for cleaning my cartridge revolvers, but the percussion revolvers get dunked in water and soap.

On original Walker revolvers the cylinder wasn't blued. It was left "in the white".

I never new that. Where did you find that out?

[Rigmarol]

I've also read the first Walkers Cylinders were not blued, but I don't remember and the last time I shared links I was told I didn't know what I was talking about so I'll just help spread the rumor about the un-blued cylinder... LOL.

[kwhi43]

They cleaned them in lye soap and took all the blueing off

[Hawg]

On original Walker revolvers the cylinder wasn't blued. It was left "in the white".

That is correct.